December 7th 1941

[AllenETreat]

A date which will live in infamy...

AET

[Ray.Hood]

The attack on Pearl Harbor brought the U.S into WW2. We tried to stay out of it, but could not, just as in Iraq. You are not forgotten, one and all.

[spyderknut]

Thanks to all who serve and sacrifice. Thanks for the post Allen.

[dialex]

The attack on Pearl Harbor brought the U.S into WW2. We tried to stay out of it, but could not, just as in Iraq.

As far as I read about this sensitive subject, it wasn't such a surprise attack as one might think. Remeber Dunquerque.

[AllenETreat]

The fact of the matter Alex, was that Japanese intent to
bring Asia under a "Japanese roof" was known since the 1930's.

And the biggest irony of all was the U.S. sold Japan the scrap
iron & metal they used to dump on us during WWII

( this is all historical fact unbelievers )

AET

[dialex]

And the biggest irony of all was the U.S. sold Japan the scrap
iron & metal they used to dump on us during WWII

Wasn't the same in Afghanistan?

[EarthDog]

The attack on Pearl Harbor brought the U.S into WW2. We tried to stay out of it, but could not, just as in Iraq. You are not forgotten, one and all.

There is a difference. The Japanese actually attacked the U.S. in 1941 The war in Iraq is a war of choice. Iraq had no part in the attacks of 9/11/2001. Our war in Afghanistan was necessary; the one in Iraq was not and is bleeding resources from the necessary fight against bin Laden & Co.

[java]

[quote="EarthDog"]There is a difference. The Japanese actually attacked the U.S. in 1941 The war in Iraq is a war of choice. Iraq had no part in the attacks of 9/11/2001. Our war in Afghanistan was necessary]
I'll agree with the difference in being attacked. But you don't have to be attacked militarily to go to war. Japan reacted to our cutting off of their oil and raw material access out of what they felt was our attack on their economy. The international community had been pressuring Japan regarding its military expansion into China and atrocities like The Rape of Nanking for years prior. The war in Iraq was of a different necessity. Twelve years of sanctions had no effect on pressuring Sadam to behave in accordance with his own signed agreement after the first Gulf War. Certain so called Allies were subverting the same sanctions and agreement plus about 60 more designed to bring him back in the fold of nations.

Sadam subverted and divided the UN Security Council by currying favor with selected trades under the Oil For Food Program. This is well known now publicly and fully known by the previous administration. Al Gore was in favor of regime change in Iraq as early as 1997 and was contained by Clinton's "better" judgement. (Read Ken Pollack's The Threatening Storm published in 2002)

It is necessary for nations to observe international laws and treaties. Countries have gone to war for less. Sadam was in violation for 12 years and could have prevented this. It became a necessity to uphold the international resolutions. That Germany, France, Russia, and China did not have the conscience to engage and hold Sadam to his obligations made it even more of a necessity. Once the war started the moral necessity beyond the proof of Halabja and the use of chemical weapons in the Iran-Iraq war was seen in the killing fields of his regime and the brutal repression of the Iraqi people. It was a war of necessity. You just have to think beyond your own selfish strategic and isolationist interests and do the right thing sometimes.

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