Donut wrote:From what I remember reading when the Captain came out, the end of the blade is good for push cutting and the hawkbill portion is good for pull cutting.
I thought it was like an outdoorsy knife that was made to work good at more than one thing.
I think you're right about that "Donut" because at the time I first seen it in some knife magazine the very first prototype I remember seeing was a serrated version ( inner arch with teeth :cool: )>> and I can see where it would have many of the same advantages as most premium Hawkbills do.
But hey!!! you can always make something good into something even much better. I think if they would sell Spyderedged Sprint runs most of the guys buying them would indeed actually use them. Oh yes there would be a few "safe queens" because there always is no matter which model or Sprint Run you see hit the market.
I remember about a year or two ago one of the Brothers made a suggestion of having a Spyderedged version of the Captain with a nuclear orange, G-10 handle. But what the heck you could have any color or handle material for that matter. And that Breeden RESCUE would make an excellent Sprint with a Yellow G-10 handle and LC200N blade steel. But that would be really enticing needless to say and those bright colors would be really easy to find if you misplaced it. I can't tell you how many times that I've misplaced one and those nuclear colored handles make them very easy to locate.
They really need to think this one over because those two models would make excellent Sprint Runs and they would also turn out to be super "user" knives. This thread is being looked at I can assure you all. So keep the suggestions coming and don't let it die.
I never understood the model myself, until I was able to pick one up used on the forums years ago for $60 :D :D now it's more of a conversation piece and around the house knife then an edc. Only Because I like having pointy knives that are more versatile with me at all times. It's definitely a cool model and I can appreciate the ergos and thought put into it but not sure I'd be interested in a sprint, especially if they want $150+ Or more if it's made in a super steel...
Donut wrote:I agree with Joe, give me a Serrated sprint first, then we can talk about all the other sprints. :)
Yeah because to me it makes perfect sense to make a Sprint Run of any Spyder somewhat different than the original. Whether it be blade steel, handle materials or even the color of the materials for that matter. But I would bet if they did Sprint Runs of both of Breeden's Spyderco collaborations in full Spyderedge I bet it would surprise everyone how well they would sell. Because these are two models ( Captain & Breeden RESCUE) that truly would benefit from having a full Spyderedge.
They really need to be thinking about Spyderedged Sprint Runs anyway>> because I've talked to a lot of guys who would love to see Spyderedged versions of the "Dodo", Superhawk, Ulize, JD Smith, Catcherman ect, ect>>> Some of those actually at one time were available in full SE and I'm willing to bet that several of the guys would love to obtain some of these more obscure models in full SE.
Donut wrote:I agree with Joe, give me a Serrated sprint first, then we can talk about all the other sprints. :)
Yeah because to me it makes perfect sense to make a Sprint Run of any Spyder somewhat different than the original. Whether it be blade steel, handle materials or even the color of the materials for that matter. But I would bet if they did Sprint Runs of both of Breeden's Spyderco collaborations in full Spyderedge I bet it would surprise everyone how well they would sell. Because these are two models ( Captain & Breeden RESCUE) that truly would benefit from having a full Spyderedge.
They really need to be thinking about Spyderedged Sprint Runs anyway>> because I've talked to a lot of guys who would love to see Spyderedged versions of the "Dodo", Superhawk, Ulize, JD Smith, Catcherman ect, ect>>> Some of those actually at one time were available in full SE and I'm willing to bet that several of the guys would love to obtain some of these more obscure models in full SE.
You know what, a day later and thinking about this.
A Captain might be very difficult to make in Serrated. Serrated models are done in a semi-chisel grind. I can't imagine the work involved with making this thing where half of the blade is serrated with the semi-chisel grind and the high hollow grind for the partially plain edge portion of the blade.
It sounds like a pretty high cost model just to go through that many levels of grinding. The first, plain edge version was expensive enough at $120.
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DONUT I see what you're saying but I have to respectfully disagree with you. Because the only part that they would need to grind serrations in would be the "Inner arch" part of the blade>> and when you focus on that it wouldn't be hardly any different than grinding serrations on any of your popular Hawkbill models as far as that goes.
No I wouldn't even want the pendulum end of that blade to be serrated. Because there are advantages to having it remain in plain edge. Now as far as grinding the entire blade into a chisel edge I'm not really sure that would be necessary either. Because which of any of the Hawkbills had a chisel edge?
Because by having the rounded/pendulum end in plain edge and the inner arch part in Spyderedge I think it would open up a myriad of additional uses you could have with that model.
SpyderNut wrote:I'd take a Captain in just about any variation. I'm not too picky.
Oh I've gone on record several times concerning this model and Hawkbills in general that anytime they offer up a Sprint Run or add one to the main line up that they should be available on both edge types i.e. Spyderedge and plain edge both.
I'm also sold on having colored G-10 handles for any Sprint Run. Also having a different color handle for the Spyderedged and a different color for the plain edge as well.
I also find the swedge part of the blade on the Captain as having potential as well. I've seen some knives that they have put a cutting edge on the swedge which sure makes them more versatile>> it would be especially versatile for the fishing and seafaring industries.
It bears repeating because I would love to get inside of Jason Breeden's head to find out what purpose he designed the C-111 Captain model for. Or maybe he had several different uses in mind?
It would be interesting to hear what some of you all have used your Captain models for? I just know in my gut that it would have many more uses if the inner arch part of the blade was Spyderedged or with some other aggressive serration pattern.
JD Spydo wrote: I just know in my gut that it would have many more uses if the inner arch part of the blade was Spyderedged or with some other aggressive serration pattern.
That is exactly what I would do. Serrated recurve, plain edge tip end. It would make for quite a versatile blade! Though I've been finding myself wondering lately, as I keep wishing for one of these to come my way, whether or not it's too wide. I'm sure it makes for a super satisfying grip, but I wonder how it feels as an overall design, handle and blade, to carry and use. I really gotta get my mitts on one!
I found the original description of the Captain, read below......
All eyes were on knife designer Jason Breeden's knives at a recent knife show; drawn to his folder with a blade shape unlike anything knife enthusiasts had seen before. The lower half of the blade was curved like a Hawkbill blade but its bulb-like tip was perched on top the curved portion, almost like a head on a neck. When someone asked the designer he replied, "My designs are born from need I've experienced. I live in the Appalachian Mountains and am regularly outdoors or in water. A recurve blade has cutting advantages in water but I also wanted a strong tip for outdoor applications."
Spyderco included a Round Hole resulting in the Spyderco/Jason Breeden Captain. The blade's unusual shape creates two opposing cutting angles, one curving inward, one out. The inward curve holds what you're cutting in contact with the sharp edge, ideal for downward pulling cuts and for cutting rope and line. The outward curved cutting edge bulges out at the blade's tip for close-in controlled cutting- a motion used when skinning, whittling and slicing horizontally in a wrist sweeping motion.
The blade is PlainEdge hollow-ground VG-10 with a weight reducing spine swedge. Its G-10 handle has a Walker LinerLock and two full-length steel liners tucked inside for rigidity and strength. Angularly shaped, the handle is comfortable in different grip positions and has a black steel pocket clip designed for 4-way ambidextrous carry. Its appearance is unusual but the overall design defines ergonomics and versatility indoors and out.
JD Spydo wrote: I just know in my gut that it would have many more uses if the inner arch part of the blade was Spyderedged or with some other aggressive serration pattern.
That is exactly what I would do. Serrated recurve, plain edge tip end. It would make for quite a versatile blade! Though I've been finding myself wondering lately, as I keep wishing for one of these to come my way, whether or not it's too wide. I'm sure it makes for a super satisfying grip, but I wonder how it feels as an overall design, handle and blade, to carry and use. I really gotta get my mitts on one!
Actually I don't find that the width of the Captain model to be a problem with me>> but I do find that the Captain in plain edge only, really limits it's intended uses. I was just as perplexed as to why Spyderco didn't offer Breeden's RESCUE model in Spyderedge either :confused: because every other "Rescue" type model that Spyderco has ever made were all offered in Spyderedge :confused:
One aspect of the wider than average blade on the Captain is that it gives that pendulum, plain edged tip of the blade a lot of versatility. I do want to see them leave that part of the blade plain edged. But the inner-arch, curved part of the blade would be a cutting machine in SE.
