How would you respond to this?

[Mad Mac]

In the meantime, while we wait for the ETs we can become citizens of Asgardia, the first space nation.
Read about the concept here and then become a citizen for free.
http://asgardia.space/concept

In another life when I was a teacher at a vo-tech school in Houston, one of my students earnestly related the following delusion. Not an outer space delusion but a disturbing specific delusion based on an historical event.

When she lived in California, her boyfriend got her pregnant. His family aborted the fetus in a horrific ceremony. She reported it to the authorities and to congress to no avail. Finally she contacted the attorney general of the United States. He flew out to California to investigate. That is why her boyfriend, Sirhan Sirhan, assassinated Bobby Kennedy.

[O,just,O]

Psychiatric intervention cannot deal with this. It does not work because they do not know what they are dealing with & therefore misdiagnose & mistreat.
Drugs do not change facts, in fact they just alter realities.
If you do not believe me, then just delve deeper into all the cases that are currently institutionalised in your country.
Louis Theroux did a TV show about this very thing (spiritual cases treated as mental cases).
This whole thing is a terrible crime committed against humanity. The problem then doubles up because the victim is treated as the perpetrator & the real perpetrator gets away with it again to double inflict the next set of chosen victims.
One person in a family is chosen as a victim & then after the fact the whole family suffer & in some cases another family is also destroyed.
Society really needs to wake up to what is happening here.
The original victims have been chosen on the basis of destroying their destiny in what God has purposed for their lives.
Mighty men & women of God are taken out by the enemy in the battle for mans soul.
This is the reason why when you look around you, that you see the world going to **** in a hand basket.
O.

[remnar]

Psychiatric intervention cannot deal with this. It does not work because they do not know what they are dealing with & therefore misdiagnose & mistreat.
Drugs do not change facts, in fact they just alter realities.
...

I agree with some of the first part of this. In the U.S.A. the lack of resources for those that need psychiatric help is a huge problem and people are frequently misdiagnosed or given a broad diagnoses based on what the patient is willing to share with the doctor. Mental illness is not given the attention that it deserves by the medical community and they don't fully understand it. However, some doctors are much better than others. There is someone very close to me that suffers from a mental disorder. The last time that she had a bad mental break there wasn't a single bed available for her in the entire state. She desperately needed inpatient care but She was basically kicked out of the E.R. because "they couldn't do anything for her". It is sad that there aren't more resources available. Those that are tend to concentrate on patients that are easier to deal with like people suffering from addiction or depression. I'm not sure what point you're trying to make about drugs. Delusions and hallucinations are not reality and if a drug can eliminate these symptoms, then that is a good thing.

[MichaelScott]

Belief survives in the absence of knowledge.

Respond? Does not appear the man is open to discussion or difference of opinion. Depends on what you intend to accomplish.

[chuck_roxas45]

He's just sc***ing with you because he knows you're captain planet...

[The Deacon]

Personally I'd consider attributing claims of conversations with space aliens to "demonic possession" to be as clear an example of delusional behavior as the claims of alien contact themselves.

Seems there's a fine line between delusional behavior which society in general considered "crazy" and belief in things equally absurd and irrational as a matter of "faith". When crackpot A describes having a nice conversation with Abe Lincoln every now and then, you'd be hard press to find one person in a thousand who didn't think he was bat guano crazy. Crackpot B describes basically the same thing, only their chats are with the Virgin Mary. Totally different reaction, at least by "true believers". Crackpot C sees fairies dancing at the foot of her bed, and is deemed mad as a hatter. Crackpot D sees angels dancing at the foot of hers and the faithful say "OMG, it's a miracle!"

Funny how that works.

[Evil D]

Personally I'd consider attributing claims of conversations with space aliens to "demonic possession" to be as clear an example of delusional behavior as the claims of alien contact themselves.

Seems there's a fine line between delusional behavior which society in general considered "crazy" and belief in things equally absurd and irrational as a matter of "faith". When crackpot A describes having a nice conversation with Abe Lincoln every now and then, you'd be hard press to find one person in a thousand who didn't think he was bat guano crazy. Crackpot B describes basically the same thing, only their chats are with the Virgin Mary. Totally different reaction, at least by "true believers". Crackpot C sees fairies dancing at the foot of her bed, and is deemed mad as a hatter. Crackpot D sees angels dancing at the foot of hers and the faithful say "OMG, it's a miracle!"

Funny how that works.

Ah yes. That's the power of faith. You can go all around the world and find people who believe in their own higher power and every one of them believes in their heart that they're right and everyone else is wrong. While I'm definitely skeptical that this guy is chatting it up with aliens, I also do believe there's a very high probability of life outside of earth and I guess it's just as possible as any other higher power idea. Heck even Stephen Hawkins believes that the most likely explanation of how the universe came to be is from a creator.

If you have an ant farm, those ants may look to you as their God, and nothing you ever do could make them understand the vastness of the planet, let alone the entire universe and what's beyond that. As silly as it may sound, we may well be in our own version of an ant farm and nothing will ever help us understand what is beyond what we're able to understand. That's where faith comes in to fill in the gaps and answer the questions nobody has answers to. When all else fails, "the Lord works in mysterious ways".

[kbuzbee]

These beings are VERY real & they are not who they say they are. They have been with mankind since the garden of Eden & been telling lies ever since.

I'm with you O

that they plan to bring about a sort-of global federation of peace and brotherhood on Earth,

This sounds like the foretold "One World Government.

after the "trouble-makers" and "unevolved persons" are somehow "removed". I asked him "What does that mean?" and he told me he can't elaborate. What do you make of that?

And this sounds like the rapture.

O is spot on. Read Revelation.

SEF, your "friend" could indeed be mentally ill and just reprocessing things his brain has absorbed over the years, but if he isn't you should be very cautious with what you hear and what you do about it.

Ken

[The Deacon]

Personally I'd consider attributing claims of conversations with space aliens to "demonic possession" to be as clear an example of delusional behavior as the claims of alien contact themselves.

Seems there's a fine line between delusional behavior which society in general considered "crazy" and belief in things equally absurd and irrational as a matter of "faith". When crackpot A describes having a nice conversation with Abe Lincoln every now and then, you'd be hard press to find one person in a thousand who didn't think he was bat guano crazy. Crackpot B describes basically the same thing, only their chats are with the Virgin Mary. Totally different reaction, at least by "true believers". Crackpot C sees fairies dancing at the foot of her bed, and is deemed mad as a hatter. Crackpot D sees angels dancing at the foot of hers and the faithful say "OMG, it's a miracle!"

Funny how that works.

Ah yes. That's the power of faith. You can go all around the world and find people who believe in their own higher power and every one of them believes in their heart that they're right and everyone else is wrong. While I'm definitely skeptical that this guy is chatting it up with aliens, I also do believe there's a very high probability of life outside of earth and I guess it's just as possible as any other higher power idea. Heck even Stephen Hawkins believes that the most likely explanation of how the universe came to be is from a creator.

If you have an ant farm, those ants may look to you as their God, and nothing you ever do could make them understand the vastness of the planet, let alone the entire universe and what's beyond that. As silly as it may sound, we may well be in our own version of an ant farm and nothing will ever help us understand what is beyond what we're able to understand. That's where faith comes in to fill in the gaps and answer the questions nobody has answers to. When all else fails, "the Lord works in mysterious ways".

True enough, David. But, for me at least, there's still a wide gulf between accepting the general premise that "something" had a hand in the creation of the universe and accepting demonic possession as the explanation of mental illness or that talking to any of the unseen "somethings" their faith's literature claims exist, or being spoken to by one of them, is any less odd than holding a conversation with Abe Lincoln or a six foot tall invisible rabbit.

Not to mention that, if someone inflicts a few superficial cuts on their body they can get labeled as being "a danger to themselves or others" while the guy who flays his back bloody with a cat-o-nine-tails gets called "a devout penitent".

[ChrisinHove]

Personally I'd consider attributing claims of conversations with space aliens to "demonic possession" to be as clear an example of delusional behavior as the claims of alien contact themselves.

Seems there's a fine line between delusional behavior which society in general considered "crazy" and belief in things equally absurd and irrational as a matter of "faith". When crackpot A describes having a nice conversation with Abe Lincoln every now and then, you'd be hard press to find one person in a thousand who didn't think he was bat guano crazy. Crackpot B describes basically the same thing, only their chats are with the Virgin Mary. Totally different reaction, at least by "true believers". Crackpot C sees fairies dancing at the foot of her bed, and is deemed mad as a hatter. Crackpot D sees angels dancing at the foot of hers and the faithful say "OMG, it's a miracle!"

Funny how that works.

Very nicely put.

[Knutty]

Some of the responses to this thread are more ridiculous than the person alluded to by the OP (whose existence is highly questionable). I love the mentions of "God" and so forth, for example. Like you can throw that out there, without basis, and automatically be more sane and right than someone who claims to have communicated with aliens.

Just switch a couple words around, and evidence no longer matters.

What? You talked to aliens? You are crazy!

What? You talked to God? Well WHAT DID HE SAY?

Yeah, I'm not buying it.

There, I said it. Get over it. Not all of us are content to live on our knees. Ban me if you must. I've had guns to my head. I don't scare easy.

[kbuzbee]

Ban me if you must. I've had guns to my head. I don't scare easy.

No banning necessary. You're certainly welcome to your opinion. I would suggest yours is the majority opinion of "the enlightened" these days.

You find people who believe in God to be scary? Interesting.

Ken

[cabfrank]

Exactly, everyone is entitled to their opinion. Mine differs from yours with regard to the fact that the majority of "the enlightened" don't believe in God, or probably aliens either.

[cabfrank]

Knutty, why do you say the existence of the person alluded to by the OP is highly questionable? I don't share that opinion either.

[O,just,O]

Knutty, you seem to have some way out idea of who God is. I would say "stop looking at the wako's & look to Jesus " if you ever feel to understand God.
I can tell you that I have had guns to my head & poked into my guts & been on tippy toes with a knife pressing up on my throat but none of that changed who God is.
God spoke to me & said it does not matter if you don't believe in Him because He still believes in you. Now smile.
O.

[Reject]

Ban me if you must. I've had guns to my head. I don't scare easy.

No banning necessary. You're certainly welcome to your opinion. I would suggest yours is the majority opinion of "the enlightened" these days.

You find people who believe in God to be scary? Interesting.

Ken

One does not become enlightened by closing ones mind to all the things that they do not yet, know to be true.

The possibility of existence of life beyond this planet and the belief that there is a greater force, are fairly big issues to lightly dismiss. Just because there haven’t been papers published in major scientific journals or the morning news and celebrities haven’t told you so. It doesn’t mean that the possibilities of such things still aren’t out there.

Only an open mind can become enlightened.

Everyone needs a little bit of insanity in there makeup. :rolleyes: Or else we would go mad.
And God bless those that do. The sane people run away from danger, but there are those that will run right into it. Police, firemen, army, paramedics and all sorts of volunteer organisations. And we thank them all for the insane things they do.

The sane do not venture from their safe little worlds. If it were not for the people with a touch for insanity, we would still be living in trees or still hanging around that garden.

Imagine that we were to send you back 200 years into the past. You can’t take any evidence with you. You were to meet like minded people and tell them of your world and the things you know to be true. What would they think of you and would think of them once it was done.

Now imagine someone from 200 hundred years in the future came back and told to you of their world and what they know to be true. And they had no evidence back up what they say.

I am not saying you should blindly accept what people say. :) But simply, not to close your mind and blind yourself to all the wonders and the endless possibilities out there.

[kbuzbee]

One does not become enlightened by closing ones mind to all the things that they do not yet, know to be true.

Right, I probably should have said 'view themselves as...', but you are right about that.

Now imagine someone from 200 hundred years in the future came back and told to you of their world and what they know to be true. And they had no evidence back up what they say.

You really think you'd need 200 years there? I think of the changes I've seen in my (adult) lifetime. There were no computers (well, personally owned ones, anyway), no internet, no cell phones. And technology is advancing exponentially. I'm thinking we won't recognize the world even 20 years from now. But your point stands.

Ken

[Reject]

You really think you'd need 200 years there? I think of the changes I've seen in my (adult) lifetime. There were no computers (well, personally owned ones, anyway), no internet, no cell phones. And technology is advancing exponentially. I'm thinking we won't recognize the world even 20 years from now. But your point stands.

Ken

:) I definitely agree with you there.

20 years ago I was an expert at my job. These days, if some young lady in Mumbai, who I can hardly understand wants to give me advice on how to do my job. I will gladly take it.

It is the newest faith, truth, religion that effects us most these days. The one that the “computer is always right”. Ever tried to tell your GPS that a road does not exist.

Have you ever rang a call centre and told them your address and have them tell you that is incorrect and that you live at different address. Or been on a job site looking at the job and have the person on the other end of the phone and on the other side of the planet tell you that you are wrong. Because their computer tells them so.

There are millions of children all over the world being raised in this new religion. Just look at the confusion and disbelief on their faces if you tell them something their computer told them is wrong.

[cabfrank]

Technology is very rapidly changing the world, no doubt about that. I think it is hard to perceive how rapidly, while we are living during the changes. The future generations may look back at an era of so much change/progress, and be better able to evaluate what exactly happened, and what resulted from it.

[kbuzbee]

Have you ever rang a call centre and ...

Thankfully, no, I haven't, but that may well be, because I mostly stay in my KJV, :-) Aside from here and chess.com, haha

Ken