I picked up a good deal on a Hungarian a few weeks ago and I have really enjoyed
the slicing ability of the knife; which leads me to ask why there aren't more models
available in CTS-XHP? It seems like a pretty good steel.
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".... pretty good steel... " ? It's one of the best stainless steels out there.
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Domino (plus at least 2 sprints), Dice, Chaparral (4x models), Techno, Slysz Bowie, Hungarian, Foundry, and sprint runs in the Military, Manix 2, PM2 (I may be forgetting some here).
There aren't a huge pile of them, but there is a fairly diverse group of knives in the steel. One common theme: they're all either sprints or fairly higher-end models. I think they bought a big batch of XHP from Carpenter when it was newer and more expensive/premium. Now, when it's less expensive, it would probably be used in the models using S30V, and I bet they have a LOT of S30V in stock and/or a really great deal with Crucible for it.
I'd love to see more XHP models; I really like it on my Techno and Chaparral (carrying today!). It would be nice to have it as another option for production knives in that price tier. That'd be pretty easy I think for the Taichung knives (Sages in XHP?) since they're already using Carpenter's BD1, and I've heard they're sending S30V to Japan so maybe XHP too. The trick would be the Golden knives. They currently have two Crucible production lines (S30V, S110V), but they also have Carpenter models in BD1 (UKPK, Manix, Pygmy Warrior if it's still in production), as well as the new Maxamet models (if those are actual production, and not sprint/limited).
I dunno. Would folks want to see the Golden BD1 or S30V models in XHP as well? Would that even be feasible for Spyderco to do ?
There aren't a huge pile of them, but there is a fairly diverse group of knives in the steel. One common theme: they're all either sprints or fairly higher-end models. I think they bought a big batch of XHP from Carpenter when it was newer and more expensive/premium. Now, when it's less expensive, it would probably be used in the models using S30V, and I bet they have a LOT of S30V in stock and/or a really great deal with Crucible for it.
I'd love to see more XHP models; I really like it on my Techno and Chaparral (carrying today!). It would be nice to have it as another option for production knives in that price tier. That'd be pretty easy I think for the Taichung knives (Sages in XHP?) since they're already using Carpenter's BD1, and I've heard they're sending S30V to Japan so maybe XHP too. The trick would be the Golden knives. They currently have two Crucible production lines (S30V, S110V), but they also have Carpenter models in BD1 (UKPK, Manix, Pygmy Warrior if it's still in production), as well as the new Maxamet models (if those are actual production, and not sprint/limited).
I dunno. Would folks want to see the Golden BD1 or S30V models in XHP as well? Would that even be feasible for Spyderco to do ?
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I also like XHP just fine, but pretty sure I wouldn't be able to tell it vs S30V in a blind cutting test. Maybe long term sharpening I could tell.jdw wrote:I picked up a good deal on a Hungarian a few weeks ago and I have really enjoyed
the slicing ability of the knife; which leads me to ask why there aren't more models
available in CTS-XHP? It seems like a pretty good steel.
However, the slicing ability of the knife is dependent on the blade/edge geometry, not the composition of the steel.
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I think it's one of those things where there are so many solid options, even really nice steels can get overlooked or lost in the shuffle a bit, though as mentioned it does seem XHP gets a fair amount of representation.
Based on my use with the B70P mule though for instance, I think it may be about perfect for what I'm looking for in a folder or small fixed blade, but it garnered very little attention or "buzz," so I fear it may languish in obscurity
(To Tvenuto's point, I haven't attempted any controlled testing, so I wouldn't claim with any confidence that my impressions on B70P are "solid" or that I could tell it apart from s30v or XHP or Elmax, etc... in a blind taste test :) It just seems to sharpen to a screaming edge very easily and hold a nice edge for me.)
Based on my use with the B70P mule though for instance, I think it may be about perfect for what I'm looking for in a folder or small fixed blade, but it garnered very little attention or "buzz," so I fear it may languish in obscurity
(To Tvenuto's point, I haven't attempted any controlled testing, so I wouldn't claim with any confidence that my impressions on B70P are "solid" or that I could tell it apart from s30v or XHP or Elmax, etc... in a blind taste test :) It just seems to sharpen to a screaming edge very easily and hold a nice edge for me.)
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Yea I have a mule in B-75P and there was barely a whisper about it afterward. Again, I don't think I could really tell the difference, but it's strange the mules that fizzled vs the ones that didn't. I guess it's not totally strange, given the current preference for tool/high carbide steels.
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My latest acquisition is a KnifeCenter exclusive Native in XHP and I'm loving it thus far :D I'm glad Spyderco's line-up of knives in XHP is still growing; it's a great steel and I'm sure we'll see plenty of sprints/models with this steel in the future :)
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I like CTS-XHP also, especially on my Slysz Bowie, seems to hold an edge well and is a breeze to sharpen, would also like to see a few more pieces with this steel.
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I'm sure this is pretty complicated.
Ankerson's edge retention list on BF has xhp, B75p, Elmax, S30v, and psf27 all pretty close on edge retention. I guess you then factor in ease of heat treat, cost of material, cost to work the steel, stain resistance, toughness, and maybe ease of obtaining the steel. Somewhere in there, S30v comes out on top. And XHP not far behind. I have several mules and like them all. Sometimes it really is hard to tell if one is better than another. I will keep cutting, sharpening, and beating on them to make up my mind if one if better than another.
Ankerson's edge retention list on BF has xhp, B75p, Elmax, S30v, and psf27 all pretty close on edge retention. I guess you then factor in ease of heat treat, cost of material, cost to work the steel, stain resistance, toughness, and maybe ease of obtaining the steel. Somewhere in there, S30v comes out on top. And XHP not far behind. I have several mules and like them all. Sometimes it really is hard to tell if one is better than another. I will keep cutting, sharpening, and beating on them to make up my mind if one if better than another.
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CTS-XHP is a wonderful steel. I really like it.
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Re: CTS-XHP??
CTS XHP is a great all-around steel. S30V I really don't like because it doesn't take as nice of an edge from my experience with it. I don't find S90V that much more difficult to sharpen and it holds an edge far longer than S30V. Just not impressed with it.
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I am not a steel nut. Only only twice in my life I bought knives to try new for me steel. But I heard a lot of nice things about XHP and certainly will buy Native5 with this steel to try.
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I'm another huge fan of XHP! Some of my favorite knives use this steel. Come on, who doesn't like an edge like this?
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DutchBlades wrote:My latest acquisition is a KnifeCenter exclusive Native in XHP and I'm loving it thus far :D I'm glad Spyderco's line-up of knives in XHP is still growing; it's a great steel and I'm sure we'll see plenty of sprints/models with this steel in the future :)
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Right now I have two Sprint Run C-36 Military models that I dearly adore. Yes one of them is the brown handled, CTS-XHP version and the other is my hallowed M390 model which has gained my respect to the point to where it is my #1 EDC at this time. Albeit the XHP model is a great version of the Military model. When I got mine I bought two of the XHP and sold one to my boss and he still uses his and very much loves his XHP version.
I will admit that I like the M390 slightly better but I like XHP at lot better than most of the Sprint Run, C36 Military models. I've had a feeling for a long time that XHP would make a great steel for Spyderedges but so far I haven't heard of any of Spyderco's SE models available in XHP :spyder: But I truly believe with it's superb properties of toughness that it would make a great steel for Spyderedges IMO.
I will admit that I like the M390 slightly better but I like XHP at lot better than most of the Sprint Run, C36 Military models. I've had a feeling for a long time that XHP would make a great steel for Spyderedges but so far I haven't heard of any of Spyderco's SE models available in XHP :spyder: But I truly believe with it's superb properties of toughness that it would make a great steel for Spyderedges IMO.
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Have a Manix2 I have been EDCing in it. Good stuff!
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Did you notice that KnifeCenter now has an exclusive tan Manix 2 Lightweight in XHP? Supposed to ship around Octoberr 3. I went ahead and ordered one. Sure, the lightweight Manix2 with S110V might hold an edge a bit longer, but there's nothing wrong with XHP, and who can resist another knife the color of milk chocolate? :)DutchBlades wrote:My latest acquisition is a KnifeCenter exclusive Native in XHP and I'm loving it thus far :D I'm glad Spyderco's line-up of knives in XHP is still growing; it's a great steel and I'm sure we'll see plenty of sprints/models with this steel in the future :)
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I saw it pop up in another thread and I'd love one :Drodloos wrote:Did you notice that KnifeCenter now has an exclusive tan Manix 2 Lightweight in XHP? Supposed to ship around Octoberr 3. I went ahead and ordered one. Sure, the lightweight Manix2 with S110V might hold an edge a bit longer, but there's nothing wrong with XHP, and who can resist another knife the color of milk chocolate? :)DutchBlades wrote:My latest acquisition is a KnifeCenter exclusive Native in XHP and I'm loving it thus far :D I'm glad Spyderco's line-up of knives in XHP is still growing; it's a great steel and I'm sure we'll see plenty of sprints/models with this steel in the future :)
Sadly the import costs combined with the shipping costs are a bit insane...
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As I understand it, CTS XHP is like a stainless powdered steel D2. Or better yet like a CPM D2 with more chromium. The "recipe" has been around since the 80's known as 440XH.
I've had plenty models run through my hands and have regular users in my lineup (Chaparrals and Techno). It's a little temperamental for me during sharpening until I go back to my DMT's. I have taken it to a highly polished edge with some effort though (Im not that good or patient). Overall I'm fairly happy with XHP especially considering the price point it commands.
I've had plenty models run through my hands and have regular users in my lineup (Chaparrals and Techno). It's a little temperamental for me during sharpening until I go back to my DMT's. I have taken it to a highly polished edge with some effort though (Im not that good or patient). Overall I'm fairly happy with XHP especially considering the price point it commands.