How to improve the Manix 2

[Mikael Andersson]

Put the axis lock on it... Benchmades patent recently expired.

Make all of the parts of the axis lock out of metal.

Remove the spyderhole... the axis lock makes it redundant.

And finally... increase the blade length to 3.46'' but don't change the handle.

Would this qualify it to be called the Manix 3?

[demoncase]

Put the axis lock on it... Benchmades patent recently expired.

go on- I'll bite.

In what way is the axis lock better than the existing Manix lock?

[3rdGenRigger]

I like the CBBL more than the Axis Lock, so I wouldn't see that as an improvement. I also don't think most people would find any functional difference in a blade increase of 1.88 mm (86 to 87.88). Seems like it would be a colossal waste of time and effort to retool a factory for such purpose. On another note...which model are you going to suggest adding ~2 mm to the blade of next? You seem to be on a roll.

[Mikael Andersson]

Put the axis lock on it... Benchmades patent recently expired.

go on- I'll bite.

In what way is the axis lock better than the existing Manix lock?

With the axis lock you can put your thumb and index finger on the buttons of the axis lock and flick the knife open using your wrist much faster than you can open it with the spyderhole and the same thing goes for closing the knife.

[3rdGenRigger]

Put the axis lock on it... Benchmades patent recently expired.

go on- I'll bite.

In what way is the axis lock better than the existing Manix lock?

With the axis lock you can put your thumb and index finger on the buttons of the axis lock and flick the knife open using your wrist much faster than you can open it with the spyderhole and the same thing goes for closing the knife.

I can do that with both of my Manix knives, and the lock is less likely to accidentally disengage because of the stronger spring making it safer.

[Mikael Andersson]

I like the CBBL more than the Axis Lock, so I wouldn't see that as an improvement. I also don't think most people would find any functional difference in a blade increase of 1.88 mm (86 to 87.88). Seems like it would be a colossal waste of time and effort to retool a factory for such purpose. On another note...which model are you going to suggest adding ~2 mm to the blade of next? You seem to be on a roll.

Current Manix 2 blade length 3.37''

My proposed new blade length 3.46''

Difference = 0.09'' or 2.3mm

[demoncase]

Put the axis lock on it... Benchmades patent recently expired.

go on- I'll bite.

In what way is the axis lock better than the existing Manix lock?

With the axis lock you can put your thumb and index finger on the buttons of the axis lock and flick the knife open using your wrist much faster than you can open it with the spyderhole and the same thing goes for closing the knife.

I can do that with both of my Manix knives, and the lock is less likely to accidentally disengage because of the stronger spring making it safer.

Agreed- that's something that you can do with the Manix too (indeed, I can with all 4 of mine....)....and they drop closed when you draw back the lock too, free and easy.

So, they operate the same in that regard.....The same. No better.

[Mikael Andersson]

Put the axis lock on it... Benchmades patent recently expired.

go on- I'll bite.

In what way is the axis lock better than the existing Manix lock?

With the axis lock you can put your thumb and index finger on the buttons of the axis lock and flick the knife open using your wrist much faster than you can open it with the spyderhole and the same thing goes for closing the knife.

I can do that with both of my Manix knives, and the lock is less likely to accidentally disengage because of the stronger spring making it safer.

Actually the axis lock has the stronger spring.

[Mikael Andersson]

I dont think the manix 2 can be improved, its near perfection.
What difference is 2.3 mm going to make?

It's an improvement however small.

[spydieh0le]

Don't change a single thing! There is a reason there isn't a manix 3, because the 2 is perfect.

[3rdGenRigger]

Put the axis lock on it... Benchmades patent recently expired.

go on- I'll bite.

In what way is the axis lock better than the existing Manix lock?

With the axis lock you can put your thumb and index finger on the buttons of the axis lock and flick the knife open using your wrist much faster than you can open it with the spyderhole and the same thing goes for closing the knife.

I can do that with both of my Manix knives, and the lock is less likely to accidentally disengage because of the stronger spring making it safer.

Agreed- that's something that you can do with the Manix too (indeed, I can with all 4 of mine....)....and they drop closed when you draw back the lock too, free and easy.

So, they operate the same in that regard.....The same. No better.

Then why go to the effort of changing out a lock that Spyderco designed and is known for, to opting for a knife designed by a competitor? I like the stronger spring on the CBBL because it's less likely to accidentally disengage.

[demoncase]

Put the axis lock on it... Benchmades patent recently expired.

go on- I'll bite.

In what way is the axis lock better than the existing Manix lock?

With the axis lock you can put your thumb and index finger on the buttons of the axis lock and flick the knife open using your wrist much faster than you can open it with the spyderhole and the same thing goes for closing the knife.

I can do that with both of my Manix knives, and the lock is less likely to accidentally disengage because of the stronger spring making it safer.

Actually the axis lock has the stronger spring.

Really?- what's the difference in lbs force?....Or is that just based the ol' "calibrated fingertip-feels-a-bit-stronger" approach?

[3rdGenRigger]

Don't change a single thing! There is a reason there isn't a manix 3, because the 2 is perfect.

I wouldn't say anything is perfect...materials and tolerances can always be improved etc. That said though, that would also result in a price increase...and it's pretty darn good right where it is as an overall package.

[Mikael Andersson]

Don't change a single thing! There is a reason there isn't a manix 3, because the 2 is perfect.

I bet that people said the same thing about the original Paramilitary.

[demoncase]

Agreed- that's something that you can do with the Manix too (indeed, I can with all 4 of mine....)....and they drop closed when you draw back the lock too, free and easy.

So, they operate the same in that regard.....The same. No better.

Then why go to the effort of changing out a lock that Spyderco designed and is known for, to opting for a knife designed by a competitor? I like the stronger spring on the CBBL because it's less likely to accidentally disengage.

I'm agreeing with you- it's the OP that's making bold assertions and deserves the rebuttal. :)

[3rdGenRigger]

Agreed- that's something that you can do with the Manix too (indeed, I can with all 4 of mine....)....and they drop closed when you draw back the lock too, free and easy.

So, they operate the same in that regard.....The same. No better.

Then why go to the effort of changing out a lock that Spyderco designed and is known for, to opting for a knife designed by a competitor? I like the stronger spring on the CBBL because it's less likely to accidentally disengage.

I'm agreeing with you- it's the OP that's making bold assertions and deserves the rebuttal. :)

I'm also agreeing with your point lol. The question was directed towards the OP...I was just quoting you because your point also proved what I was trying to get at :)

[demoncase]

I dont think the manix 2 can be improved, its near perfection.
What difference is 2.3 mm going to make?

It's an improvement however small.

How is it an improvement?....In what way?..... There's more to a folding knife that cramming the maximum amount of cutting edge into the handle, in my book:

Here's one of Spyderco's knives I love, but it's got a blade:handle ratio a mile off the 'accepted' maxima

[Bugs]

Compare the springs in the Manix 2 vs the axis lock. I cannot foresee the Manix spring breaking due to the way it is sprung. The axis lock spring appears to be a weaker design.

[jabba359]

Just make the blade multi-colored and add a flipper to it, then it'll be perfect.

[bearfacedkiller]

The Omega spring in the Benchmade is weaker and has a higher rate of failure from what I have seen. It has two springs which allows it to still function while you wait for a replacement. I don't see the omega spring as an improvement.

If you want to make the Manix2 better then remove all of the superfluous jimping. Other than that it is fine.