Massdrop appears to be conforming to MAP

[Surfingringo]

Wow, Evil D! Your rant was so scattered and haphazard I struggled to find a point in it. The generalizations were so broad as to be embarrassing.

It's obvious no one read the link I posted about MAP.

Inside my desk drawer I am looking at the following

1. Opinel
2. Wenger
3. Mora
4. Byrd
5. US made Kershaw
6. Japanese made Spyderco
7. US made Spyderco

I listed these priced low to high for what I paid.

Only one was made in China.

I guess someone could list these based on per capita income, standard of living, freedom, etc.

The location of the manufacturing of these knives has nothing to do with the vendor, location of the vendor, whether or not the vendor has a b&m storefront.

The decision to buy was based on brand, quality, coolness, and of course price.

I also purchase based on whether something is Made in USA or another country not named China.

That being said, I am waiting for my Byrd Raven 2. Should be here Thursday.

The quality of the Byrd knives rivals that of Spyderco knives they are based on and I think the ergos are superior. I prefer finger choils. Interesting dilemma. US made steel, assembled in China by a US owned company.

I know nothing about the ins and outs of manufacturing, but I'm willing to bet a Byrd could be made in Mora or Solingen at a competitive price.

When shopping in any store, please spend an extra few seconds looking at the labels. Contrary to some preaching, not everything is Made in China.

You may be pleasantly surprised at how much more is being made in the USA and at a competitive price.

Wow, was someone just talking about scattered and haphazard rants?? :cool:

[SG89]

Lol I was just thinking that SG....

[bearfacedkiller]

Ha, that is good! I was thinking the same thing. You had to google MAP and now you are giving what I think was supposed to be an economics lesson.

I agree with some of what you said. Byrd knives are good value but they ain't Spydies.

[Evil D]

Wow, Evil D! Your rant was so scattered and haphazard I struggled to find a point in it. The generalizations were so broad as to be embarrassing.

Thanks for that. I really like your hair. Carry on :)

[Leadsled]

You blame everyone for wanting to pay the lowest possible price. Then Walmart is to blame because everything they sell is made in China. Then something about Kershaw.

Then you mention the quire.

Then you pontificate on how you are morally superior because you spend more money. Everyone else is apparently a bunch of bums.

Then something about price hikes. Anything American made must be priced out of reach?


What is the point of your dissertation?

My point is I own several knives made in so-called First World Countries. The Chinese knife was no where near being the least expensive.

The reason why American manufacturing has been going overseas cannot be blamed on internet retailers.

[Leadsled]

Ha, that is good! I was thinking the same thing. You had to google MAP and now you are giving what I think was supposed to be an economics lesson.

I agree with some of what you said. Byrd knives are good value but they ain't Spydies.

What's the difference between a Chinese made Spyderco and a Byrd? Serious question...

[TazKristi]

Hi Leadsled,
Welcome to our forum.

I've read through David's (Evil D) post several times now just to see if I missed something and I have to wonder if you and I aren't reading different posts. :confused:

You are new to our community so perhaps that's the disconnect. David didn't, at any time, state that he was morally superior. He made a passionate statement about his beliefs and how those influence his choices.

I would refrain from passing judgment on other members or insinuating that their posts are somehow embarrassing - passive-aggressive comments aren't very productive. This topic can definitely be a hot one, but there is no need for it to become hostile. There is so much knowledge here that it's staggering. We value each of our members for their contributions to our community. We don't always agree, but we can all, always, remain civil.

As for other questions in the thread... I can only say that we are working on MAP compliance from everyone involved in our distribution chain. We approach this just like we do everything else. We believe in being fair and proper. We strive to build strong relationships with our dealers, distributors and most certainly our consumers. Just as we value each of you for being a member in this community - we value each of the members in our distribution channels. This is a complex issue. One that we do not take lightly. We firmly believe that ultimately, we all work for you, the consumer.

As always, we're here and we're watching. This discussion is important.

Kristi

[bearfacedkiller]

What's the difference between a Chinese made Spyderco and a Byrd? Serious question...

From my experience the Tenacious family of knives which are made in China but carry the Spyderco brand name are much nicer than the Byrd knives I have seen and handled. If Spyderco is selling them and they are filling a market segment I am glad they are making them but if I was buying an affordable knife for a gift for someone I would buy the Tenacious or one of its cousins. The Byrd knives are improving but they are still what they are and that is a budget knife. Of course the Tenacious costs twice as much as a Cara Cara2. They are without a doubt a good value but for me they just don't do it.

[Evil D]

You blame everyone for wanting to pay the lowest possible price. Then Walmart is to blame because everything they sell is made in China. Then something about Kershaw.

Then you mention the quire.

Then you pontificate on how you are morally superior because you spend more money. Everyone else is apparently a bunch of bums.

Then something about price hikes. Anything American made must be priced out of reach?


What is the point of your dissertation?

My point is I own several knives made in so-called First World Countries. The Chinese knife was no where near being the least expensive.

The reason why American manufacturing has been going overseas cannot be blamed on internet retailers.

I'm not even sure how to respond to this. I've typed out three replies now trying to come up with a way to better explain it to you, but since you struggled to make sense of the first post, I see no sense in typing out another long winded post explaining my side just for you to pick it apart and sling more insults at me. We don't have to agree in order to be civil with one another.

[Leadsled]

What's the difference between a Chinese made Spyderco and a Byrd? Serious question...

From my experience the Tenacious family of knives which are made in China but carry the Spyderco brand name are much nicer than the Byrd knives I have seen and handled. If Spyderco is selling them and they are filling a market segment I am glad they are making them but if I was buying an affordable knife for a gift for someone I would buy the Tenacious or one of its cousins. The Byrd knives are improving but they are still what they are and that is a budget knife. Of course the Tenacious costs twice as much as a Cara Cara2. They are without a doubt a good value but for me they just don't do it.

I think this was an awesome business decision by Spyderco in marketing Byrd knives. Kind of like Squier by Fender.

Just by the looks of the Byrd, you can tell it's a Spyderco family product. In regard to myself, Byrd is not pilfering sales from Spyderco. I would not buy a Tenacious, Endura or Delica. I prefer the ergos of the Cara Cara 2. Have the G10 and FRN. Bought a Meadowlark 2 G10. A bit small for my taste.

I bought the Raven 2 on reviews and a whim. If it's smooth and solid it may be carried. I carry a knife as a companion to my Glock 30. As of now, the Byrd's stay home because they are a bit slower to open than a compression or liner lock. Practice may improve that.

The PM2 I bought was a splurge. I liked my friend's. Loved the Compression lock and overall feel. It the powers that be decided to produce a Byrd simile of the PM2 with compression lock, I would never look back.

I am now looking at a 16 ounce hunk of American steel.

[bearfacedkiller]

One thing Spyderco does better than many is making something for everybody. They have always had an expansive and evolving product line. You cannot make everybody happy but Spyderco sure seems like they try. The Byrd knives do seem to be well liked by many and it fills a market segment. We are all looking to get something different from our knives. I am glad you like your Cara Cara2. :)

[this_is_nascar]

What's the difference between a Chinese made Spyderco and a Byrd? Serious question...

From my experience the Tenacious family of knives which are made in China but carry the Spyderco brand name are much nicer than the Byrd knives I have seen and handled. If Spyderco is selling them and they are filling a market segment I am glad they are making them but if I was buying an affordable knife for a gift for someone I would buy the Tenacious or one of its cousins. The Byrd knives are improving but they are still what they are and that is a budget knife. Of course the Tenacious costs twice as much as a Cara Cara2. They are without a doubt a good value but for me they just don't do it.

I only have a Bryrd Finch-2, but I'd put it up against the LadyBug and ManBug all day long as far as fit, finish and feel is concerned. The downside of the Bryrd vs the Spyderco proper is the steel being used in the Byrd.

[tvenuto]

I only have a Bryrd Finch-2, but I'd put it up against the LadyBug and ManBug all day long as far as fit, finish and feel is concerned. The downside of the Bryrd vs the Spyderco proper is the steel being used in the Byrd.

And even that is changing, with some Byrds now coming in US made steels. Way back when at the Amsterdam meet, Sal mentioned that they had been working to "grow up" their Chinese maker to be able to work consistently with US steels and with titanium scale material. It's a testament to the care Spyderco puts into all of their product lines, as well as to the loyalty they show not only to their customers and suppliers, but to their makers as well, which is a relationship that the ELU doesn't often think about.

[Evil D]

The day I can buy a Tenacious (or better yet a Resilience) in VG10, I will be very happy.