Burnt Orange Drangonfly 2 lock rock

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Question for those who own Dragonfly 2 with FRN handles.

I recently got the Burnt Orange Sprint run. It's my first D2 with FRN although I have G10 and Nishijin models.

I noticed the new one has lock rock which appears to be caused by the blade moving on the pivot when open and locked.

Is this normal with the FRN models? Nether of my other D2s have any lock rock at all, although they have liners which should have tighter tolerances than FRN.

Thanks

[farnorthdan]

backlocks have somewhat of a reputation for having a bit of lock rock on certain models, I don't own a ton of back locks but have noticed a very faint bit on one or two. I'm not too worried about it though as I don't usually exert that much force on those types of knifes. If I have to really torque on something I will pull out a fixed blade. How much movement are you getting?

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Enough that the blade moves visibly. I can also feel the front edge of the lock bar moving with it although I can't see the lockbar moving. All with moderate pressure.

[farnorthdan]

Enough that the blade moves visibly. I can also feel the front edge of the lock bar moving with it although I can't see the lockbar moving. All with moderate pressure.

That does sound a bit extreme, your course of action would be to either send it back to the vendor or back directly to Spyderco. Personally I would opt for the second choice, I'm sure the vendor is out of stock and the SFO could at least send you a replacement if it truly is out of spec.

[SpeedHoles]

Luck of the draw. Some will come with noticeable lock-rock when new, some will start tight and just develop it over time and use, and some just stay rock solid from day one.
It can even happen on the G10 or Nishijin slab construction models.

Have never experienced, nor even heard of, one getting loose enough to cause issues or disengage. But it is a characteristic that bothers some more than others.
Exchange (or more likely a return) is probably your only option, other than to keep it.

[Evil D]

Enough that the blade moves visibly. I can also feel the front edge of the lock bar moving with it although I can't see the lockbar moving. All with moderate pressure.

I wouldn't worry about it. I have 3 and I just pulled them all out and they all do the same thing you're describing. As you said, there just isn't that tight of a tolerance in 1) all FRN handles and 2) such a small knife.

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Does Spyderco consider it a warranty issue?

[Evil D]

Does Spyderco consider it a warranty issue?

I can't speak for them but it never hurts to ask, the worst you'll be out is shipping cost. I had a Stretch that had really bad lock rock and it was deemed defective.

[farnorthdan]

Does Spyderco consider it a warranty issue?

Like D said, its worth a try. Most here will recommend sending it to them first before monkeying with it, you don't want to void your warranty. Also like I mentioned earlier, they should have a replacement should it fail spec where as an online dealer is probably going to be out of stock.

[Donut]

In my experience, they will address issues that have a safety concern, not so much user preference or "not usual operation" concerns.

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Does Spyderco consider it a warranty issue?

Like D said, its worth a try. Most here will recommend sending it to them first before monkeying with it, you don't want to void your warranty. Also like I mentioned earlier, they should have a replacement should it fail spec where as an online dealer is probably going to be out of stock.

I'm not going to monkey with it. They will either fix it at no cost to me or I will return it. It's simple.

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Well, I spoke with Spyderco and they said I can send it in for "warranty evaluation", but I have to pay to ship it in. Despite the fact that she agreed it was likely defective. I don't blame her, she is just working within the parameters set forth for her. But you would think there would be a process for special cases.

Before I called in, I was confident that they would hear the situation, make an exception and agree to pay to ship it in, if for no other reason than to avoid going back to the vendor and then ultimately back to Spyderco. Which would cost both companies money. It's bad enough I have to send it in at all, much less pay for it as well. Adding insult to injury.

I have a real problem with having to pay to ship back a knife that I've owned for like 3 days and showed up defective. She explained various reasons why they won't cover shipping TO Spyderco, all of which I can prove aren't the case. eg. People sending in knock off knives; People having disassembled the knife etc.

BladeHQ would be happy to replace the knife... if only they HAD any. It is, of course, a Sprint Run and they are limited and hard to find. I totally understand their position. Considering the extenuating circumstances, I fail to see why Spyderco can't step up and do the right thing.

I can't describe how disappointed I am that they are this inflexible on this. I've been buying Spyderco knives since the late 80s (CoPilot) and they are by far my favorite brand, or were. In large part because of the stellar customer service I thought I would be getting if I ever needed it. Well, I need it and it's not there.

I own quite a few Spydercos but maybe it's time to rethink my brand preferences...

[dplafoll]

Question for those who own Dragonfly 2 with FRN handles.

I recently got the Burnt Orange Sprint run. It's my first D2 with FRN although I have G10 and Nishijin models.

I noticed the new one has lock rock which appears to be caused by the blade moving on the pivot when open and locked.

Is this normal with the FRN models? Nether of my other D2s have any lock rock at all, although they have liners which should have tighter tolerances than FRN.

Thanks

My HAP40 DF2 is completely rock solid. Obviously YMMV. I'd send it to Spyderco.

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Question for those who own Dragonfly 2 with FRN handles.

I recently got the Burnt Orange Sprint run. It's my first D2 with FRN although I have G10 and Nishijin models.

I noticed the new one has lock rock which appears to be caused by the blade moving on the pivot when open and locked.

Is this normal with the FRN models? Nether of my other D2s have any lock rock at all, although they have liners which should have tighter tolerances than FRN.

Thanks

My HAP40 DF2 is completely rock solid. Obviously YMMV. I'd send it to Spyderco.

I don't have much of a problem sending it in. I'm not happy about it, but I'm willing to do it. Where I draw the line is PAYING to send in something that showed up like this. It's not like I've been using it for 6 months and it developed some lock rock. I got it in the mail last Friday and it was already like that.

Thanks for your input though. Not sure it matters any longer since I won't be owning this knife much longer.

[awa54]

Strike one, you're out! It must be the principle, because the postage to Colorado shouldn't be more than five or six bucks...

In my recent experience, *very* few companies still send out call tags for returns and even those you usually have to beg for the free shipping.

Both of my FRN D'flies (ZDP and HAP40) have a little play in the lock, though it isn't noticeable in use, my stainless one also has a bit, but it's seen plenty of use, so that isn't surprising, the only one that's totally without any play is my G10 version, which is almost new, but it's rock solid!

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Strike one, you're out! It must be the principle, because the postage to Colorado shouldn't be more than five or six bucks...

In my recent experience, *very* few companies still send out call tags for returns and even those you usually have to beg for the free shipping.

Both of my FRN D'flies (ZDP and HAP40) have a little play in the lock, though it isn't noticeable in use, my stainless one also has a bit, but it's seen plenty of use, so that isn't surprising, the only one that's totally without any play is my G10 version, which is almost new, but it's rock solid!

I agree, 5 -10 bucks. You know... roughly ten percent of the value of the knife. It's adding insult to injury (Yes it's the principle).

BladeHQ will send me a tag for free return... because it mistakenly got through QC and shipped defective. Spyderco should do the same.

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I was talking to 2 coworkers one was looking to find the same knife as the one I am having an issue with. Based on this issue he is reconsidering the purchase. Money possibly lost already Spyderco... One of them buy a TON of knives a year, the other was also trying to decide between a Positron and a Benchmade. He is watching the outcome.

And so it begins...

[SG89]

They have to evaluate whether it's a qc issue or a user issue. They can't just trust you at your word. They aren't Amazon. It's really not something to get worked up over. If it really is a qc issue you will get a brand new non defective knife. It's not something to abandon a brand you have been loyal to for all these years over $6. IMO YMMV

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They have to evaluate whether it's a qc issue or a user issue. They can't just trust you at your word. They aren't Amazon. It's really not something to get worked up over. If it really is a qc issue you will get a brand new non defective knife. It's not something to abandon a brand you have been loyal to for all these years over $6. IMO YMMV

I get where you are coming from although I don't know how a knife where I can visibly see the blade move from the lock rock could be a "user issue". It moves enough that I can HEAR it.

I'd have accepted a promise of a refund on the shipping if it was deemed to be a QC issue. That's wasn't an option either. I guess I feel a bit betrayed.

Thanks for the input. :)

[Evil D]

Well, that settles it for me. I'm no longer buying any Spyderco knives because one guy wasn't happy with his knife.




Dude, if you lived by this mentality, you would live in the middle of a field in a hut built out of grass and mud, because there is nothing on this planet that is universally liked and absolutely perfect every single time. If you want that level of production perfection, you need to start buying customs and only customs.


If you bought this knife from a shop in town, would you expect that shop to pay for your gas to drive your car back to the shop for an exchange? It's no different shipping it back to Colorado, it's just a much further distance.