Update with pics:Costly Amazon Mistake for PM2?

[Knifenoob]

New to collecting and just needed a sweet EDC that could do work.

I landed on a Paramilitary 2. I found them on Amazon for around $124 after tax and shipping but I everything was out of stock, I ordered anyways assuming it would fill quickly.

A day later I found one locally and but they wanted $160 so I went to show him amazon prices when I found one from amazon for sale?! for $107...so I bought it.

Now the issue is I looked up the seller and its Sasy420, the 'online store' supposedly has awesome reviews and says its going to be authentic blah blah...but after doing research post buy...I"M reading alot of scams from amazon etc. I'll post pics when it comes and plan to take it to a knife show next week and hope someone can validate there?

But has anyone else ever bought from this store, they have great deals but usually that can be a bad thing...if I had to do it again I would probably just fork over the extra $50 and buy local...thoughts?

[farnorthdan]

Amazon is too risky for me, heard many stories of fakes coming from there. It's just not worth saving a few bucks and would rather buy from a known reputable online dealer.

[bearfacedkiller]

If you bought from a third party seller through Amazon anything is possible.

[Knifenoob]

I'm seeing that now, but its already shipped so I'm pretty much stuck with paying shipping costs...which is fine. Is there any way of knowing if its real now at this point? If I send to sypderdco will they validate?

[tvenuto]

Yes, but probably fastest to shoot a few pics and post it here. People should be able to tell you pretty quickly.

105 isn't outlandishly cheap for a PM2, so it very well may be real.

[Knifenoob]

Cool...I will at the end of the week when it arrives.

thanks!

[TheOutdoorNerd]

There's a different seller now that has them for $108 and now Amazon themselves has them for $110. Amazon decides all that stuff based on their analytics, and other sellers specifically compete against that, until Amazon's analytics adjust the price, and other sellers follow, rinse and repeat as the price fluctuates all over the place acting out the laws of economics.

Recently I got a Manbug for $24 and a Des Horn for $62 on Amazon. Keep any Spyderco in your cart on Amazon and watch the price jump around as the days go buy.

Shopping to me is a full contact sport. Price isn't the only factor for me, but it's the biggest one.

At the very least cancel your order if they haven't shipped it, and re-buy it for $110 from Amazon the seller.

[awa54]

that seller has 99.8% feedback on ebay with thousands of transactions... for whatever that's worth.

[aesmith]

Didn't someone say that Amazon holds all the inventory in common, across different sellers?

[TheOutdoorNerd]

Didn't someone say that Amazon holds all the inventory in common, across different sellers?

If they did, then it would only be for sellers where Amazon does the fulfillment. Other sellers manage their own inventory and do their own returns. That way a good size store can sell locally, on Amazon, ebay, etc. and handle all of that themselves. Those sellers can pretty much ship you whatever they want, but if people start complaining then Amazon will put up a warning, and then just finally boot the seller, so there's not much room for shenanigans as an Amazon seller, and of course they have their own reputation system just like ebay.

But even if a seller not fulfilled by Amazon sold you a fake and the seller refused to accept the return, you can file a claim with Amazon and they will override the seller and give you a refund. They favor the buyer just like PayPal.

The only incident I know of first hand is someone I know who bought the VG10 version of a Spydie on ebay and got a ZDP version in the VG10's box, where it was obviously a mistake on the seller's part since it was a more expensive knife. This person decided that returning it wasn't worth the hassle and said "ZDP 189 is good, too, right?" Yep.

[SG89]

Deleted. Hope you get everything sorted out OP :)

[sal]

Hi Knifenoob,

Welcome to our forum.

keep us posted.,

sal

[Archimedes]

I have bought a few Spydercos from Amazon over the years and all were authentic. You will most likely be fine.

[MichaelScott]

Didn't someone say that Amazon holds all the inventory in common, across different sellers?

The only incident I know of first hand is someone I know who bought the VG10 version of a Spydie on ebay and got a ZDP version in the VG10's box, where it was obviously a mistake on the seller's part since it was a more expensive knife. This person decided that returning it wasn't worth the hassle and said "ZDP 189 is good, too, right?" Yep.

Hassle? Click "Return Item", check that it wasn't what was ordered, print pre-paid return label, tape to box it came in, UPS picks it up.

[TomAiello]

Didn't someone say that Amazon holds all the inventory in common, across different sellers?

Amazon definitely holds sellers inventory separate. The FBA ("Fulfilled by Amazon") sellers all send their inventory to Amazon warehouses, where it is segregated and kept separate, allocated to each seller and listing.

In theory, it's possible for an FBA seller to buy an entire batch of fake Spyderco knives and sell them on Amazon, with fulfillment from the Amazon warehouse, while other sellers (and Amazon themselves) sell genuine Spydercos.

[i am travvy]

Orders sold and fulfilled by amazon I would trust. If it's a third party selling I wouldn't trust. Even if it's fulfilled by amazon. Basically it's some random person selling the item and amazon just ships it for them. So no telling what they gave amazon to ship.

[TomAiello]

Some third parties should be fine. I know that there are several legitimate Spyderco dealers who sell via Amazon (and eBay). Just check the reviews and investigate the seller.

[mad german]

There are some really good videos on youtube that show the differences between a real and fake Spyderco (many other knives, not just PMs).

Check them out & let us know what you find. If it's a fake, let us know the seller on Amazon so nobody else gets scammed.

[TheOutdoorNerd]

It's all good with me if people want to pay a lot more for the same product. I guess I don't understand what they're getting that I'm not.

Piece of mind? No one has tried to cheat me yet, nor would they get away with it. Several hundred Spyderco, Kershaw, Cold Steel, Ka-Bar, Victorinox, Boker, Mora, Hultafors, etc., all with only a couple minor issues--no fakes or anything like that. I got a horrible Cryo that I fixed myself and kept, and a Skyline with a chipped tip that I also kept. Both of those were Kershaw's fault, not Amazon. I've probably saved more money on knives than most people here have spent on knives.

Better service? I've gotten worse service from the smaller knife shops. 5 days to ship my Mantra if it indeed ships tomorrow. The service on my last few purchases from well regarded sellers here has been passable at best. It seems like the hotter a product is, the more leisurely sellers are about shipping it, like I'm just lucky to get the new hotness.

So, to some folks like me, there's a reason we shop at Amazon. Better service, better prices, liberal return policy. But again, it doesn't bother me if someone else pays more--it's their money.

The only problem I have ordering online is the lousy Post Office here that lies and says they attempted delivery whenever they are just running late or they make a mistake. Today there's an inch of snow on the ground and I just got an email from Amazon saying the post office attempted delivery on my new Calphalon pans but was unable to deliver it. They routinely lie in order not to get in trouble with Amazon or make it look like it's their mistake. It must suck having Amazon hold their shippers accountable, so they do anything they can to make it look like it's the recipient's fault. Once I drove over there and the supervisor admitted that most of the time when I see that message, it's because they loaded it on the wrong truck or the carrier missed it in the pile. They only admitted this to me and apologized when I asked if they had a few complaint forms handy. But this happens no matter where I order from, so it's not unique to Amazon.

[tvenuto]

The only problem I have ordering online is the lousy Post Office here that lies and says they attempted delivery whenever they are just running late or they make a mistake. Today there's an inch of snow on the ground and I just got an email from Amazon saying the post office attempted delivery on my new Calphalon pans but was unable to deliver it. They routinely lie in order not to get in trouble with Amazon or make it look like it's their mistake. Once I drove over there and the supervisor admitted that most of the time when I see that message, it's because they loaded it on the wrong truck or the carrier missed it in the pile. But this happens no matter where I order from, so it's not unique to Amazon.

At least you know that they know it wasn't delivered! My post office marks it as delivered, and then just somehow remembers to deliver it later. I of course found out about this after submitting a lost mail claim. The explanation was "Amazon gets mad at us if we don't deliver it."