Ali Express / Alibaba.com

[Bodog]

When bad guys start telling the truth about what they're doing, then maybe law enforcement will be able to accurately and efficiently stop them. Imagine being one cop at a crime scene surrounded by a bunch of unassociated criminals who have their own crimes to conceal and a bunch of innocent people standing around getting in the way, everyone's lying, everyone's hostile. Could you easily find the guy who committed the crime you're currently investigating? Do you say screw it and throw your hands up? The longer it takes you to find the bad guy im that specific crime or to give up finding that guy the more other criminals get away with committing their crimes. It's a balancing act. Neglect your duties, overlook certain crimes, spend all your time chasing a bad guy who may or may not have known that he was even committing a crime to begin with, or go after someone you know HAS to know he's committed a crime in what short time you have before another case comes knocking at your door.

[vivi]

en,,,thanks for sharing, but how do you know that? Have you bought one?

I'm pretty sure the liner lock Paramilitary 2 can be called a fake without purchasing one. Full non-nested liners, no spine jimping, different lock, suspiciously low price....yeah, I'm going to bet it's a fake

[usar]

My question for Kristi or however would like to join in this question is this how are they able to copy a trademark I understand that China does this with knives all the time but gets away with it and I understand that it is another Country it is my opinion that someone prosecutes them for their garbage copies of knives that is why made in the USA is the way to go because you are getting quality and that is a fact ! Now I know the byrd line of knives are made to spyderco specs but I know people friends that are collector of knives that will produce knives in China and sell their knives for the price of a byrd knife and they are garbage !

[TazKristi]

Hi usar,
It's a very complex problem. Put simply, our laws here do not necessarily apply in another country. You also have to be able to find the responsible party which can be quite difficult. One of the biggest things that must occur, in my opinion, to help with the counterfeit problem is consumers need to stop purposefully buying them. We know that a majority of the members here would never purposefully purchase a counterfeit, but there is a large group of consumers who do. Perhaps it comes down to education and a better understanding of not only the economic issues that it causes but also the personal risk involved in purchasing something that isn't held to the highest standards. There are many consumers who purchase products (not just knives) based upon the lowest price. Certainly for the majority of people in the world, the price is absolutely a factor. We all have a personal budget. But there has to be some consideration for the value of something. If I have a choice between "widget" A that costs $5 and "widget" B that is similar but only costs $1 I'm going to look at what the differences are and determine what value each offer me. If "widget" B breaks in a short amount of time or isn't functionally reliable am I really saving anything? I may have to save to buy the better value and I'm willing to wait and do just that. For many though there is a need for instant gratification - I have to have it now. It's that "now" that is really hurting all of us.

We take every legal step possible to defend our products and our reputation. However, so long as the value of an item is disregarded and so long as consumers choose to purchase products (any products) without knowledge in play - our battle is going to only get worse. Put simply, if people didn't purchase the counterfeits then there wouldn't be a market for them.

We're very proud of our factory and our makers that we partner with and we will continue to fight the good fight. But it's important to realize that the problem is much bigger than any law can contain.

Kristi

[anagarika]

Found a C91 that's not Pac Salt but a flipper with Eric's signature at the tang (not the usual place). On Aliexpress site.
http://www.aliexpress.com/item/New-auth ... b64724a683

[Dutchy357]

The pressure must be getting to Ali Express.

This listing: http://www.aliexpress.com/item/Sharpene ... -AqrBIUF6I

Includes the wording: Please note this is a imitated spyderco.

This is obviously Chineese Engrish for FAKE!

Dutchy

[defenestrate]

The pressure must be getting to Ali Express.

This listing: http://www.aliexpress.com/item/Sharpene ... -AqrBIUF6I

Includes the wording: Please note this is a imitated spyderco.

This is obviously Chinese Engrish for FAKE!

Dutchy

I don't even see a lock mechanism on these PM2 clones.At least the ad is honest, I don't much mind people selling fakes for cheap as fakes being fully transparent. Some of those knives aren't too bad. I have an imitation catherman I picked up at a flea market for like 5 bucks, and it's not too poor an imitation. Seems like it would be useful for the same purpose, though I intend to likely get the real thing for more money eventually.

I will always support the shutting down of any seller who deliberately misleads customers about fakes, and I will never promote a purveyor of fraudulent merchandise. It's good to see that lots of folks seem to feel the same way.

[danielrob2015]

en,,,thanks for sharing, but how do you know that? Have you bought one?

Just look at the knives, man. They're terrible chimeras of Spydercos.. Obvious fakes.

I'm not saying they are not fakes but you can not always look at the picture. They use pictures of actual Spyderco's sometimes.

[Ryno]

I just clicked that link... in addition to knives, it appears that spyderco makes broaches

[remnar]

Here's another site with a bunch of fakes and or close copies of Spydercos and others.

https://edcgear.us/collections/blades/p ... yderco-c94

[Angryvet73]

What I fail to understand is why don't copy right laws prevent what is clearly infringement of products from being sold in the US. I understand the concept of free market but when it's stated OEM and shows a Spyderco box(which from my eyes I can't tell a fake box from a real one) it is clearly an attempt to defraud or mislead the buyer. I have been a loyal customer of Spyderco for over twenty years but I needed to see for myself what this "clone" crap is about so since I already own a couple of the knives listed on these sites I ordered the clones, this is what I found:
1- the Spyderco bug was painted on the blade
2- torx screws were not concentric, the holes were lopsided
3- torx screws were so soft they stripped just changing the pocket clip
4- the holes that were drilled to accept the changing of the pocket clip were either stripped out, wrong diameter, or no threads
at all
5- bronze washers were not punched evenly, oblong holes and uneven thickness
6- lock up was more than 75% and unless you used two hands you couldn't get the blade to close
This all was with two knives!

[aesmith]

If you're referring to Ali Express, then they're not being sold in the US. I think legally you would be buying in China and then importing.

Regarding your sample, assuming that we being passed off as genuine Spyderco, have you raised this with the supplier?

[ZrowsN1s]

I couldn't afford a real PM2, so I turned to aliexpress, I've got to say it isn't bad but you can see straight away it isn't real, I'm working on getting enough money together for the real thing but may take a while
I also want a dragonfly 2 but again I have no money:(
Ive only just got into knives and started with a Lansky World Legal, however it bored me and I wanted to move onwards but unfortunately all my money is going in my training for the army so that's my priority but as soon as I get in ill be getting several real different models and I can't wait
But back to the copy PM2 as I said it isn't bad, has a bit of play and obviously isn't S30V but I only really bought it to play with at home.
But I'm really excited to own a real one

Welcome to the forum. If budget is an issue, you should check out Spyderco's value line, as well as their "Byrd" branded knives.

[jabba359]

They've certainly improved the clone problem on Alibaba. Searching "Spyderco" no longer brings up any results. I browsed their "pocket knife" section and glanced through the first ten pages of results, finding only a single clone (SS Poliwog) and a single karambit that has a round opening hole (but doesn't look like Spyderco's karambit).

Perhaps the clones are all still there and hiding, but normal searches no longer bring them up, making them far less accessible to the general public. Either way, it's nice not finding piles of fake Spydercos with a simple search.

[garret]

en,,,thanks for sharing, but how do you know that? Have you bought one?

uidyn,
Welcome to the Spyderco Forum. I cannot tell you if we have purchased one or not. That is something our legal team handles. Just the same though, it is not necessary for us to buy one of anything from their site. We are the manufacturer, we can recognize a fake/copy quite easily. We have very loyal fans and we are very proud of what we do. We've spent over 33 years building our name and earning the reputation that we have. So when someone comes along and attempts to make a quick profit off of our hard work and our customer's loyalty to our name, we take that very seriously.

Kristi

Well said

[KarlG]

Ugaarguy is correct that shipping fake products via US Mail is illegal. Treasury also can pull jurisdiction

Counterfeiting is far from being a victimless crime and our American Companies should expect and receive the full protection of their government.