People make knives in China because consumers want blades like the Tenacious. Makers give consumers what they want. They don't push budget knives on them to avoid selling Para2's.
The spirit of this thread is to warn about fakes, not get political or knock a country due to scammers. A fake knife isn't 90% accurate; it's an unreliable tool made from stolen designs intended to pass off as an original. That's why they call it the same name.
Am I missing something? It seems pretty straight forward. You don't have to be a patent attorney to understand misrepresentation. The solution is to buy from qualified dealers ONLY.
Spyderco Knock-offs, "Replicas"and Fakes
I was hoping it wouldn't come to this but yes you obviously misunderstood me and missed something! You were the first to state China doesn't respect patent laws and not once do I see any CHINA bashing. A fake is just that but could easily be made 100% accurate and reliable if needed (which you even said) to benefit from it. Are you implying that there are no qualified dealers on ebay which is mentioned quite a bit?
No the makers don't push budget knives on people but why not make them here and save some jobs? You do not understand how the corporate world works, it's all about how much money the company can make,and if it's a stock holding company how much money can the shareholders earn.
Thus leading to outrageous salaries,perks and bonuses for the ceo's. Do you really think one ceo should earn more in ONE minute than the blue collar guy making the product makes in a YEAR? This is a fact that was proven in at least one place and there are ongoing investigations into others. Do some research into corporate salaries.
By the way do you have any idea how much money the US has borrowed from CHINA? I think you will be surprized and yes that statement is political!
I'm sorry it came to this and will not argue with you as this is not the appropriate place to do so.
No the makers don't push budget knives on people but why not make them here and save some jobs? You do not understand how the corporate world works, it's all about how much money the company can make,and if it's a stock holding company how much money can the shareholders earn.
Thus leading to outrageous salaries,perks and bonuses for the ceo's. Do you really think one ceo should earn more in ONE minute than the blue collar guy making the product makes in a YEAR? This is a fact that was proven in at least one place and there are ongoing investigations into others. Do some research into corporate salaries.
By the way do you have any idea how much money the US has borrowed from CHINA? I think you will be surprized and yes that statement is political!
I'm sorry it came to this and will not argue with you as this is not the appropriate place to do so.
THIS IS THIS !
BLERV, Thanks for jumping in. Please don't take my last post personal as I hadn't noticed you got in before I could reply to RYCEN.
RYCEN, I apologize if I sounded rather rude in my last reply as I thought the statement from blerv came from you, which kind of surprised me.
SORRY FOR THE CONFUSION.
RYCEN, I apologize if I sounded rather rude in my last reply as I thought the statement from blerv came from you, which kind of surprised me.
SORRY FOR THE CONFUSION.
THIS IS THIS !
Hi Sal,
Sorry it happened again. You got in between my last reply.
It is true and I was a witness to it as I was working for that company at the time. It made me totaly disgusted especially since the person I'm talking about thought he was GOD ALMIGHTY. To this day he is still making a fortune in retirement benefits. I respect your position and will take your word for it and thank you for the message.
Dave
Sorry it happened again. You got in between my last reply.
It is true and I was a witness to it as I was working for that company at the time. It made me totaly disgusted especially since the person I'm talking about thought he was GOD ALMIGHTY. To this day he is still making a fortune in retirement benefits. I respect your position and will take your word for it and thank you for the message.
Dave
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Hey Dave,
Nothing taken personal. You seem like a passionate guy and we are glad you are back on the boards.
No company is perfect but they have to take a stance. Fake knives in general threaten the quality that a company has struggled to establish and attempts to bleed that reputation for immediate and selfish gains.
Spyderco from my understanding takes very good care of it's various makers all over the world. They give a variety of blades at different prices keeping multiple companies well fed without risking massive overhead during slow times (40 happy employees vs 400 facing layoffs and bulk hirings, etc).
Knives like the Tenacious are not for everyone, however, they are quality products and often lead to folks getting into the rest of the product line. Similar to a Ford Focus as a first car leading someone to a luxury SUV. Prior to that line (and the Byrds) it was the FRN line like the Native and Delica but "plastic handles" don't appeal to everyone. I have heard countless people buy a Tenacious and then move up to a "nice" Spyderco which often is a Manix2 or Military. The first Spyderco knives were from Japan which got me into the hobby as a Dragonfly was quite affordable and changed perceptions quickly.
It's quite sad (personally) to see someone buy a fake. Some should be glaringly obvious to anyone with common sense, others are quite accurate. Regardless the person feels stupid and that alone is a reason to fight for what is right. Worst case is the people who don't realize they bought a fake which can impair the reputation of the company or even injure someone.
Forgive me if I didn't understand your perspective and came across harsh as well. :) I hope the above goes to clarify my stance rather than attempt to minimize yours. We all have an opinion on this planet. It's the one thing they can't take from us and we can be 100% right on.
Nothing taken personal. You seem like a passionate guy and we are glad you are back on the boards.
No company is perfect but they have to take a stance. Fake knives in general threaten the quality that a company has struggled to establish and attempts to bleed that reputation for immediate and selfish gains.
Spyderco from my understanding takes very good care of it's various makers all over the world. They give a variety of blades at different prices keeping multiple companies well fed without risking massive overhead during slow times (40 happy employees vs 400 facing layoffs and bulk hirings, etc).
Knives like the Tenacious are not for everyone, however, they are quality products and often lead to folks getting into the rest of the product line. Similar to a Ford Focus as a first car leading someone to a luxury SUV. Prior to that line (and the Byrds) it was the FRN line like the Native and Delica but "plastic handles" don't appeal to everyone. I have heard countless people buy a Tenacious and then move up to a "nice" Spyderco which often is a Manix2 or Military. The first Spyderco knives were from Japan which got me into the hobby as a Dragonfly was quite affordable and changed perceptions quickly.
It's quite sad (personally) to see someone buy a fake. Some should be glaringly obvious to anyone with common sense, others are quite accurate. Regardless the person feels stupid and that alone is a reason to fight for what is right. Worst case is the people who don't realize they bought a fake which can impair the reputation of the company or even injure someone.
Forgive me if I didn't understand your perspective and came across harsh as well. :) I hope the above goes to clarify my stance rather than attempt to minimize yours. We all have an opinion on this planet. It's the one thing they can't take from us and we can be 100% right on.
Hi Blake,
Thank you for the very professional reply. I totaly understand about companies taking a stance and don't like the fakes as much as anyone. I don't know anything about Spyderco's finances and I'll be the first to admit that I do have a little attitude about sending work to CHINA. The way our economy is and the number of people out of work there has to be a way to keep these jobs here. I'm sure there are plenty of unemployed people that would be willing to work for a reasonable pay rate that wouldn't kill most companies.
I have about a dozen Spyderco's> old school ENDURA clip it-SEKI, Japan, several S30V natives,three JESS HORNS and two DES HORNS to name a few. I love them all but like I said I also use/collect other brands also. When I see what is going on with CRK'S and that a lot of the information must be coming from the forums it makes me wonder what brand will be next. I only say this as I've been following the CRK deal for quite some time now and I have seen a pattern. That is why I mentioned or had the idea of using PM's to relay information for those in need and asked others to brainstorm a little to come up with some ideas.
All I see is people pointing out knives and complaining. It's a great hobby that all of us enjoy but it sadly seems not many are willing to put forth a little effort to help the situation.
You are absolutely correct, everyone is entitled to their opinion. In my reply I don't believe I said anything other than I didn't notice that you had jumped in and thought it was RYCEN flipping out on me.
Again I apologize as I should have caught that and eliminated all of the confusion.
Thanks again for the reply and I hope everyone understands.
Dave
Thank you for the very professional reply. I totaly understand about companies taking a stance and don't like the fakes as much as anyone. I don't know anything about Spyderco's finances and I'll be the first to admit that I do have a little attitude about sending work to CHINA. The way our economy is and the number of people out of work there has to be a way to keep these jobs here. I'm sure there are plenty of unemployed people that would be willing to work for a reasonable pay rate that wouldn't kill most companies.
I have about a dozen Spyderco's> old school ENDURA clip it-SEKI, Japan, several S30V natives,three JESS HORNS and two DES HORNS to name a few. I love them all but like I said I also use/collect other brands also. When I see what is going on with CRK'S and that a lot of the information must be coming from the forums it makes me wonder what brand will be next. I only say this as I've been following the CRK deal for quite some time now and I have seen a pattern. That is why I mentioned or had the idea of using PM's to relay information for those in need and asked others to brainstorm a little to come up with some ideas.
All I see is people pointing out knives and complaining. It's a great hobby that all of us enjoy but it sadly seems not many are willing to put forth a little effort to help the situation.
You are absolutely correct, everyone is entitled to their opinion. In my reply I don't believe I said anything other than I didn't notice that you had jumped in and thought it was RYCEN flipping out on me.
Again I apologize as I should have caught that and eliminated all of the confusion.
Thanks again for the reply and I hope everyone understands.
Dave
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hi
i have a dragonfly vg-10 and i'm waiting for a delica zdp-189. why because , when i get my first sypderco knife ( dragonfly) i know imediatly what i lost all this year :)
but like all sypderco fan, i'm little afraid to get a fake one... i believe we can get some perfect fake on the web.
i buy mine to a shop in spain. a great shop no doubt ( http://www.aceros-de-hispania.com/spyde ... e-spyderco ) , but bad things can happens.
how i can saw if a spyderco are genuine or fake? they are some inimitable marks?
and the delica zdp-189 are a good knife? is better zdp-189 or vg-10???
P.s_ sorry about my english , is not my native language.
i have a dragonfly vg-10 and i'm waiting for a delica zdp-189. why because , when i get my first sypderco knife ( dragonfly) i know imediatly what i lost all this year :)
but like all sypderco fan, i'm little afraid to get a fake one... i believe we can get some perfect fake on the web.
i buy mine to a shop in spain. a great shop no doubt ( http://www.aceros-de-hispania.com/spyde ... e-spyderco ) , but bad things can happens.
how i can saw if a spyderco are genuine or fake? they are some inimitable marks?
and the delica zdp-189 are a good knife? is better zdp-189 or vg-10???
P.s_ sorry about my english , is not my native language.
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I can assure you that your English is at least 100 times better than my Spanish. The shop you bought your Dragonfly from looks to be legitimate and, as far as I know, there are no fake Delicas 4's out there, in either ZDP-189 or VG-10. ZDP-189 holds an edge longer than VG-10, but it also takes more effort to sharpen and is less rust resistant, so which is "better" is a matter of opinion. Personally, I prefer VG-10, but a lot of folks prefer ZDP-189.kromo wrote:hi
i have a dragonfly vg-10 and i'm waiting for a delica zdp-189. why because , when i get my first sypderco knife ( dragonfly) i know imediatly what i lost all this year :)
but like all sypderco fan, i'm little afraid to get a fake one... i believe we can get some perfect fake on the web.
i buy mine to a shop in spain. a great shop no doubt ( http://www.aceros-de-hispania.com/spyde ... e-spyderco ) , but bad things can happens.
how i can saw if a spyderco are genuine or fake? they are some inimitable marks?
and the delica zdp-189 are a good knife? is better zdp-189 or vg-10???
P.s_ sorry about my english , is not my native language.
Paul
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It helps I think when they say they are not sure of the authenticity, that's a authenticity disclaimer that I believe Ebay actually acts on.
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Dave I appreciate your stance and to a degree understand what you say in principle although the china made knives are just that the trade done by us shops and dealers still puts dollars into the USA .
As for Sal and his message I can guarantee you don't have to take his word for it this is a CEO whom welcomes each and every member personally .
In other forums he also has taken the time to find out specifics for me via pm does this sound like somebody who is motivated by profit ? .
The fact is china is one of the biggest economies in the world it makes perfect sense to a company in any country to be making business with a developing country that will soon be able to dictate certain commodities .
There is a stigma attached to china due to human rights etc but spyderco is specific in supporting family run operations in its Chinese products.
I totally understand and respect your passion and can say spyderco is one company that will make sure it works both ways.
As for the fakes on eBay if the price is so low that it looks to good to be true it usually is if its just a few dollars/euros , pounds then pay the extra for piece of mind.
Being in Spain I recommend a site in the uk heinnie.com very good a freind in Denmark regularly buys most cases he orders on a Monday and its there by Wednesday or Thursday standard shipping.
They also have the largest online knife selection in Europe :) .
As for Sal and his message I can guarantee you don't have to take his word for it this is a CEO whom welcomes each and every member personally .
In other forums he also has taken the time to find out specifics for me via pm does this sound like somebody who is motivated by profit ? .
The fact is china is one of the biggest economies in the world it makes perfect sense to a company in any country to be making business with a developing country that will soon be able to dictate certain commodities .
There is a stigma attached to china due to human rights etc but spyderco is specific in supporting family run operations in its Chinese products.
I totally understand and respect your passion and can say spyderco is one company that will make sure it works both ways.
As for the fakes on eBay if the price is so low that it looks to good to be true it usually is if its just a few dollars/euros , pounds then pay the extra for piece of mind.
Being in Spain I recommend a site in the uk heinnie.com very good a freind in Denmark regularly buys most cases he orders on a Monday and its there by Wednesday or Thursday standard shipping.
They also have the largest online knife selection in Europe :) .
I'm just being a little paranoid...
I hoped on a Caly 3 SB on eBay from eBayer don41512. Here's the link: http://www.ebay.com/itm/140909451688?ss ... 1497.l2649
I'm positive that it's real because I doubt there are fakes of this sprint, plus he has 100% feedback. Just thought I'd get verification from the pros.
Paranoid and crazy, yes...but might as well right?
I hoped on a Caly 3 SB on eBay from eBayer don41512. Here's the link: http://www.ebay.com/itm/140909451688?ss ... 1497.l2649
I'm positive that it's real because I doubt there are fakes of this sprint, plus he has 100% feedback. Just thought I'd get verification from the pros.
Paranoid and crazy, yes...but might as well right?
The knife looks real. The box looks legit, which adds to the good signs.
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Truth is, these days the only way to be certain you're not buying a fake is to buy from a reputable dealer. That said, the chances of a just-released Spyderco Sprint being cloned are probably somewhere around those of getting hit by lightening. Chances of said fake being "good enough" to be difficult to detect are probably an order of magnitude or two lower than that, since making a "good" copy requires an original.
Paul
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I cant understand why they call it "Spyderco"
I cant understand why they call it "Spyderco"