A Spyderco OTF?

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Re: A Spyderco OTF?

Postby ThePeacent » Sun May 05, 2019 1:01 pm

The Deacon wrote:
Sat May 04, 2019 10:08 am

Will say that I can't recall ever seeing an OTF auto in a movie or TV show.

just from the 2000s, and off the top of my head... :o

Bullet to the Head (2013) main character' knife is a Halo V OTF
John Wick and John Wick II, Keanu Reeves' main knife is a Microtech OTF :rolleyes:
Irreversible (2002) the bad guy uses an OTF in the most intense/infamous scene
The Dark Knight, the Joker use an OTF in the bank robbery scene
Atomic Blonde (2017), Charlize Theron beats up a bad guy with his own OTF knife :D
IT (2017) where Henry unboxes a green OTF
Olympus Has Fallen (2013) where the main bad guy carries two OTF Microtechs :eek:
"Spartan" with Val Kilmer, a $500 Severtech Spartan OTF is used to peel an apple :cool:
Burn Notice, prominently features a Benchmade Infidel

on the TV show "24" Jack Bauer uses a Microtech OTF knife several times, it's his preferred EDC folder
on the TV show "Strike Back" several episodes feature a CRKT M21 as well as different OTFs from different brands

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Re: A Spyderco OTF?

Postby TomAiello » Sun May 05, 2019 1:19 pm

SpyderEdgeForever wrote:
Sat May 04, 2019 11:34 am
1 What steel would you prefer, out of the presently-available steel alloys?
2 Would you want the handle system to be FRN or G10 or something else like reinforced aluminum alloy?
3 What blade shape would best suit it? Perhaps a full flat or a saber ground type thing?
1) Something stainless for EDC, probably. S110v would work for me. Or s90v. I'd personally rather have K390, but I think it wouldn't be as good for sales.

2) I'm not sure what the considerations for the mechanism are. Most OTFs are metal boxes, which might be necessary because flex in the box could be bad for the mechanism? Basically, I don't have a real preference.

3) I'd prefer FFG and single edge (for EDC use) but I know that's probably less popular.

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Re: A Spyderco OTF?

Postby yablanowitz » Sun May 05, 2019 8:24 pm

The Deacon wrote:
Sat May 04, 2019 10:08 am
Will say that I can't recall ever seeing an OTF auto in a movie or TV show.
We must not watch the same movies. Live and Let Die, The Punisher, A Bullet to the Head, The Specialist, Olympus Has Fallen, Men In Black all have OTF autos shown in them, and that's just off the top of my head.

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Re: A Spyderco OTF?

Postby Carlito86 » Mon May 06, 2019 6:03 am

Microtech Is the reference on this type.

The ultratech Is the knife.

Wonder if Spyderco Is able to do anything better, to make the world even better. I have a lot of MT and trust me,they are very very good.

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Re: A Spyderco OTF?

Postby krsmitty » Tue May 07, 2019 2:44 pm

yablanowitz wrote:
Sun May 05, 2019 8:24 pm
The Deacon wrote:
Sat May 04, 2019 10:08 am
Will say that I can't recall ever seeing an OTF auto in a movie or TV show.
We must not watch the same movies. Live and Let Die, The Punisher, A Bullet to the Head, The Specialist, Olympus Has Fallen, Men In Black all have OTF autos shown in them, and that's just off the top of my head.
Whiskey Cavalier - Saw an OTF on several of the episodes.

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Re: A Spyderco OTF?

Postby Michael Janich » Thu May 09, 2019 7:50 am

My favorite OTF is still the German Air Crew Knife (aka German Paratrooper Knife), a gravity OTF designed to be used. I first saw one in David Steele's book "Secrets of Modern Knife Fighting" back in the mid 1970's. He referenced a German film "Knife in the Water," which showed the knife. I suffered through several hours of black and white German drama and subtitles when that movie was shown on PBS just to see a few seconds of it in action (this was back in the day, before we got our first top-loading VHS recorder). Once I saw it, though, I was officially obsessed.

In the early 1980's I was stationed at NSA and met a radar intercept guy who had been stationed in Augsburg. He told me about a shorter commercial version of that knife with a plastic handle and mentioned he was going back to Germany for a visit. He brought one back for me and I was stoked!

I later added two full-sized versions with plastic handles to my collection from friends who were issued them during their service with the West German Army. Ultimately, I found a genuine Type II version manufactured around 1942 and completed my quest.

This knife is a true gravity knife, so the blade is not spring driven. The Type II and later knives are also unique in that they are designed to be easily field stripped without tools for cleaning and maintenance. Just depress a spring tab, pull the bolster off, and the two handle halves rotate on the shackle axis to expose the inside of the channel. Pop the blade out and the knife is broken down to four parts and is fully accessible for cleaning.

The design of this knife was so cool it was actually copied by the British SOE (though very few of those were ever made) and, as noted above, was modernized for issue to the West German Army for decades after WWII.

Since it is not spring driven, the lock-up on this knife is very solid and it is engineered to hold up to real use.

When I ran Masters of Defense and BlackHawk Blades, I used to do warranty repair service on MOD's production version of the Jeff Harkins Triton double-action OTF. It was a great design, reasonably well made by MOD's manufacturer, but like any double-action OTF, it was extremely susceptible to dirt and debris. It also did not hold up well to hard use. Fixing scores of those to bring them back to life really helped me appreciate the elegant simplicity of the German Gravity Knife.

With all that said, I also own a fair number of single and double-action OTFs--from my first "NATO Automatic" that I smuggled back from Acuna, Mexico in my shoe to state-of-the-art Hogue OTFs (another study in elegant simplicity). I love them, but I don't carry them.

Stay safe,

Mike

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Re: A Spyderco OTF?

Postby krsmitty » Thu May 09, 2019 8:07 pm

Good write up Mike.

I have come to appreciate the ease of use, IMHO, of an OTF. 75% of the time I carry an OTF as my EDC. A Lighting for working in the yard, a Titan D/E bayonet point or my Ultratech Tanto for everyday carry.

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Re: A Spyderco OTF?

Postby TomAiello » Sat May 11, 2019 10:18 am

I recently bought a D Rocket FIN, and I'm really enjoying it. Good action, some finger ridges and texture to make it easier to grip, and nice M390. But it's still pretty much "box with blade" when compared to something like a Native, ParaMilitary or Manix.

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Re: A Spyderco OTF?

Postby curlyhairedboy » Mon May 13, 2019 6:20 am

OTF packaging seems like a difficult thing to balance with ergonomics. With conventional folding knives, the assumption is you design the handle for gripping mostly when the blade is deployed and 'out of the way' so to speak.
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