C191GP Janisong – first impressions

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C191GP Janisong – first impressions

Postby PSquared » Sat Oct 31, 2015 2:26 am

Edit : After the great Photobucket mess I lost the photos in this post. I did find one of them today on an old hard drive while looking for something else - 1 photo is better than none.

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I picked up a Janisong when I was in South Africa last week (thank you to all the gents at Sharp Edge for getting it before I flew out again). I don’t usually do reviews as there are others that are more qualified to do them but I thought that given that this model isn’t available in the US, I’d post a few comments and photos.

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Janisong size comparison to PM2 and a Benchmade 32

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Handle thickness vs a PM2

First Impressions : Whilst it is probably the size I was expecting, it is fairly chunky and heavy. It is immaculately assembled and looks and feels like a quality piece of cutlery. There are a lot of stainless liner edges and I’ve not felt any burrs or sharp edges. The G10 is almost smooth, possibly the smoothest peel ply I have on a Spyderco – personally, I like that as I prefer the handle shape to provide grip and I don’t want to rely on the handle finish for traction. The jimping is more decorative than functional and once again, I prefer this to aggressive jimping. There is really nice detail design of the lock interface and the stand offs on the liners – I’m impressed by the engineering!

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The action is very fluid but there is downside to that – the pivot bolt isn't snug and as a result the knife rattles a bit when in the closed and locked position as the bite or internal handle has a bit of play and knocks against the liners of the external handle. I’m not a great bali flipper so I’m not going to comment on how well it does tricks but I’d think from the Mike Janish videos, it will satisfy the flipper crowd.

Open, there is blade play until the lock is engaged, then it is solid as a rock with no discernible blade play in any direction. The blade itself has a very slight recurve, I’m not sure if this is by design or as a result of the sharpening. Visually, I like the blade shape and it is, for my tasks very functional. I still have the factory edge on it which was more than adequate out of the box. I’ve had issues with inconsistent grinds on Taichung knives before and we’ll see how this one stacks up once I sharpen it.

In use the knife carries well for a knife weighing 5.5 oz / 156g (50% heavier than the PM2 and almost 20g heavier than the Starmate). I really like the design of the deep carry pocket clip but personally feel the execution isn’t great as the clearance between the clip and the scale is, in my opinion, insufficient. Its tapped for left / right and tip up / down carry but tip down, the clip will obscure the lock switch that I am finding works best actuated from both sides using thumb and forefinger.

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In pocket, these shorts don't have that thick a seam but it jams up in the clip

Cutting stuff the handle doesn’t have hotspots and is very comfortable in a variety of grips and will probably suit all hand sizes. It hasn’t worked hard but has done some food prep (more on that in a moment) which it did very adequately given the geometry isn’t optimal slicer, it’s done some whittling, cut up some PET bottles, opened post and packages and just for fun, broken down some cardboard boxes. It does what it can be expected to do very well given the 3mm blade stock and the fairly steep grind – it will probably excel at harder work than what I have put it to.

By the very nature of the design, there is, in my mind, a lot of places for pocket lint, food scraps and gunk to accumulate. It has a flow through handle but I fear with two sets of liners (one of them moving and exposed when opening and closing) and pretty tight tolerances that sticky or oily gunk could accumulate unless it is cleaned with high pressure. The lock mechanism, I suspect, runs in slots between the liner and the G10 of the outer handle – I'm not sure I’d want that in dirty and grimy conditions.

As an EDC, its heavier than I’d normally carry but it will probably drop into the rotation every now and then, probably more often than my other balisongs because it is such a visually impressive and well engineered tool. I’d have, as I mentioned above, concerns if there was a higher than average chance of getting gunk between the liners, etc., I’d stick to something else if the knife was going to get muddy or bloody and there wasn't the facility to clean it fairly soon after. As part of a collection, I am delighted to have it, it is well made, fun to fidget with in front of the TV and pretty unique. It really is an engineering piece of art.
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Re: C191GP Janisong – first impressions

Postby Johnnie1801 » Sat Oct 31, 2015 8:43 am

Thanks for the review and pics PS. I was thinking about getting one of these recently but I opted for a 204p Domino instead, if I can save up some more $, I might take a look at the Janisong again, they're not cheap at about $275 but would be nice to have in the collection.
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Re: C191GP Janisong – first impressions

Postby nanono75 » Sun Nov 08, 2015 2:00 am

Thanks for the review can't wait to get my hands on it

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Re: C191GP Janisong – first impressions

Postby jylong_away » Mon Nov 09, 2015 11:58 pm

As an aside about the clip, a Benchmade Triage deep carry clip will fit perfectly onto the Janisong, but you'll need different screws - any of the black screws that come with Taiwan spyderco clips will do. It does add to the thickness of the overall package, but much easer to get on and off thicker seams.

I really do wish they had also not skeletonized the bite handle as much(more like with the Blackhawk version). I understand the need for weight reduction overall, but it does decrease the amount of momentum for flipping a fair bit.

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Re: C191GP Janisong – first impressions

Postby Michael Janich » Mon Dec 21, 2015 8:15 am

Dear PSquared:

Thank you very much for a great review and for your enthusiasm for the JaniSong.

From my perspective, I'm honored to finally have it in production--especially with a Spyderco bug on it. I'll be the first to admit that it's a niche design, but one that I hope pushes the envelope a bit for balisong fans and other folks who are, like me, fascinated by one-hand openers and different lock mechanisms.

Thanks again for taking the time to share your thoughts!

Stay safe,

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Re: C191GP Janisong – first impressions

Postby SpyderNut » Mon Dec 21, 2015 8:37 pm

Very nice review. I also enjoyed your "in-the-wild" pics. :) I am fairly envious! :D
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Re: C191GP Janisong – first impressions

Postby Larry_Mott » Wed Dec 23, 2015 5:26 am

Agree with just about everything said above. Only downside IMO "function-wise" is the (already mentioned) slightly too light "inner handle" which ideally should be a little heavier to balance the blade anad give greater momentum. Other than that it's a really nice knife, quite up to Spydercos usual high standard.
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Re: C191GP Janisong – first impressions

Postby SpyderEdgeForever » Fri Dec 30, 2016 7:12 pm

Great review and pictures. Thank you.

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Re: C191GP Janisong – first impressions

Postby Termite Toothpick » Thu Aug 17, 2017 2:02 am

Nice review and pics. I like to hear others views on this piece, as I am amazed by its engineering and design as well as how well it was executed by Spyderco. As you mentioned of the stand offs and the details... I feel they are a beautiful part of this knife that just complement the design and engineering. Mr. Janich hit this out of the park!
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Re: C191GP Janisong – first impressions

Postby Hopweaver » Wed Oct 24, 2018 8:48 am

I would love to see the Spyderco Janisong get a US release. Knife laws are much kinder to this style of knife than they used to be. Anyway, I do have one request for the Janisong... a wider clip. The current clip design is too narrow and does not fit on most of my pants.

Is there a chance this knife becomes available to the US market anytime soon?
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Re: C191GP Janisong – first impressions

Postby Ez556 » Wed Oct 16, 2019 1:07 pm

Just another bump to encourage a US production of these!
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