Why Balisongs and OTFs are forbidden in Germany (might be also the reasoning elsewhere)

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Why Balisongs and OTFs are forbidden in Germany (might be also the reasoning elsewhere)

Postby archangel » Sun May 16, 2021 3:04 am

ZrowsN1s wrote:
Sat May 15, 2021 4:09 pm
Lol. California logic: It's not the size of the blade or how fast you can open it, it's the WAY you open a knife that makes it dangerous.

Consider that there is no appreciable difference in the time it takes to open knives by these methods. Dare I say some of the legal methods like waves are even faster than Auto's and Balisongs.

Wave open = safe
Spydie flick = safe
Thumb open a Spyderhole = safe
Thumb open thumb stud = safe
Push a flipper tab = safe
Push open a spring assisted blade = safe
Push a button = DANGER
Swing open a balisong = DANGER
Use Gravity = DANGER

Alas no Illegal Dangerous Smallfly for me, I'll have to carry the Safe Legal Police 4 instead :rolleyes:

I know first hand that Germany declared Balisongs and OTFs illegal not because they think these can be deployed faster than other knives (although probably this is true, at least to a certain extend) but because you cannot see any part of the blade when they're closed, thus a muggle (non-knife person) cannot identify them as knife when they are drawn from a pocket but not yet deployed. I'd say that >95% of the folding knives show the blade's spine. Most people will be able to identify those as knives, for whatever that's good. The <5% of folding knives that are no Balisongs or OTFs that show no blade spine when closed (e.g. Stilettos) are quasi-illegal in Germany too, means if for any reason authorities search your home and find such a knife, you're facing the same charges as for possession of an illegal weapon.

One-handed openers with a locking blade (except Balisongs and OTFs) can be owned/collected but not carried in public.

Automatics are a special case. Those show some blade spine (at least all I know - there may be some that don't, but it does not matter really) are illegal as soon as their blade length is 8,5cm or longer - because automatics in fact are considered "fast deployers" and leave other people next to no time to identify them when drawn from a pocket. An automatic knife that has a blade <8,5cm is equally fast, but because of its size considered as no attack weapon.

I know this because I had a phone call at length with a legal expert from a German authority when I tried to exploit ways to import an Autonomy that was shortened to comply with German laws. I cannot guarantee this, it's just what I was told. Haven't yet had time to type it all down for you. Although this all is true just for Germany, it might be the background for other countries/states etc.
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Re: Why Balisongs and OTFs are forbidden in Germany (might be also the reasoning elsewhere)

Postby Loki.88 » Sun May 16, 2021 7:30 am

Thx for the information

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Re: Why Balisongs and OTFs are forbidden in Germany (might be also the reasoning elsewhere)

Postby ZrowsN1s » Sun May 16, 2021 8:40 pm

Thats interesting. I don't know that I agree with the idea that autos are more easily concealed. But there are laws in California against disguised knives. Cant have a knife that looks like something else.
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Re: Why Balisongs and OTFs are forbidden in Germany (might be also the reasoning elsewhere)

Postby bearrowland » Mon May 17, 2021 7:39 am

Someone, somewhere, actually had to have dealt with a situation involving a disguised knife to have enacted that law. I'd like to hear that one sometime. It's crazy some of the things on the books.
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Re: Why Balisongs and OTFs are forbidden in Germany (might be also the reasoning elsewhere)

Postby Senfkarte » Wed May 19, 2021 9:20 am

Very interesting. Thanks for sharing.

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Re: Why Balisongs and OTFs are forbidden in Germany (might be also the reasoning elsewhere)

Postby Joshcrutchley1 » Sat May 22, 2021 4:28 pm

bearrowland wrote:
Mon May 17, 2021 7:39 am
Someone, somewhere, actually had to have dealt with a situation involving a disguised knife to have enacted that law. I'd like to hear that one sometime. It's crazy some of the things on the books.
The only knives like that I know of are the cheapo gas station one that look like a key or even a shotgun shell. I love thinking about how some of the goofy laws came to be like in Atlanta your not allowed to tie your giraffe to a telephone pole. I can just picture that poor giraffe getting electrocuted. Hopefully it survived but ya never know. :(

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Re: Why Balisongs and OTFs are forbidden in Germany (might be also the reasoning elsewhere)

Postby yablanowitz » Sat May 22, 2021 8:39 pm

bearrowland wrote:
Mon May 17, 2021 7:39 am
Someone, somewhere, actually had to have dealt with a situation involving a disguised knife to have enacted that law. I'd like to hear that one sometime. It's crazy some of the things on the books.
They probably saw it in a movie, so it had to be real, right?

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Re: Why Balisongs and OTFs are forbidden in Germany (might be also the reasoning elsewhere)

Postby bearrowland » Sat May 22, 2021 9:20 pm

Exactly!
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Re: Why Balisongs and OTFs are forbidden in Germany (might be also the reasoning elsewhere)

Postby bearrowland » Sat May 22, 2021 9:46 pm

I agree Josh.
Joshcrutchley1 wrote:
Sat May 22, 2021 4:28 pm
bearrowland wrote:
Mon May 17, 2021 7:39 am
Someone, somewhere, actually had to have dealt with a situation involving a disguised knife to have enacted that law. I'd like to hear that one sometime. It's crazy some of the things on the books.
The only knives like that I know of are the cheapo gas station one that look like a key or even a shotgun shell. I love thinking about how some of the goofy laws came to be like in Atlanta your not allowed to tie your giraffe to a telephone pole. I can just picture that poor giraffe getting electrocuted. Hopefully it survived but ya never know. :(
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Re: Why Balisongs and OTFs are forbidden in Germany (might be also the reasoning elsewhere)

Postby 8legger » Tue Jun 01, 2021 8:50 am

Knife laws, by and large, usually don't make any logical sense. As with most things of this nature, someone's emotions are what made the law.

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Re: Why Balisongs and OTFs are forbidden in Germany (might be also the reasoning elsewhere)

Postby TomAiello » Sat Jun 05, 2021 8:22 am

It seems like Germany could allow those knives and just require something like a cigarette pack warning label. In this case, it could be a legal requirement that the knife be labelled 'KNIFE' in large, bright letters, or something like that.


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