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Found a channel devoted to Muay Thai, which I love.

https://odysee.com/@Siamscholar1:7
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If a man isn’t capable of violence, he’s not capable of protecting others from violence.

It is no coincidence that the most recognized men in Scripture were warriors, except for Jesus who introduced a new paradigm.
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If a man isn’t capable of violence, he’s not capable of protecting others from violence.

It is no coincidence that the most recognized men in Scripture were warriors, except for Jesus who introduced a new paradigm.

This is true. When I originally took up martial arts, it wasn’t because I wanted to become a violent person, or even because I was interested in it as an art form. It was because i wanted to learn to deal with violence and develop some confidence. The martial arts training I received helped me to grow and mature in ways that I could not have done without it. Not that every person needs martial arts, or that it’s even suitable for everyone. I’m talking about for ME.

I knew a guy in Kung Fu who used to say he doesn’t spar or compete because he’s afraid he’ll really hurt someone. Yet he always had a lot to say about other people’s sparring performances. But I KNEW this guy. One day when he said that again, I pointed out to him that he doesn’t fight, not because he might hurt someone, but because he couldn’t actually fight, and he was afraid of being exposed, losing face, and possibly getting hurt. He kinda scratched his head with a sheepish grin and had no comeback for that. Of course, that had to do with competitive fighting and not self-defense, but the same truth I’m talking about still holds. There are many people, inside and outside of the martial arts, who think like that guy did; that they are inherently deadly and therefore they choose to only be peaceful. I love peace, but if you lack the capability of ‘turning it on’ if and when it becomes unavoidable and absolutely necessary, then it’s not really a choice.

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James Y wrote:
Thu Apr 14, 2022 1:38 pm
Naperville wrote:
Wed Apr 13, 2022 9:28 pm
If a man isn’t capable of violence, he’s not capable of protecting others from violence.

It is no coincidence that the most recognized men in Scripture were warriors, except for Jesus who introduced a new paradigm.

This is true. When I originally took up martial arts, it wasn’t because I wanted to become a violent person, or even because I was interested in it as an art form. It was because i wanted to learn to deal with violence and develop some confidence. The martial arts training I received helped me to grow and mature in ways that I could not have done without it. Not that every person needs martial arts, or that it’s even suitable for everyone. I’m talking about for ME.

I knew a guy in Kung Fu who used to say he doesn’t spar or compete because he’s afraid he’ll really hurt someone. Yet he always had a lot to say about other people’s sparring performances. But I KNEW this guy. One day when he said that again, I pointed out to him that he doesn’t fight, not because he might hurt someone, but because he couldn’t actually fight, and he was afraid of being exposed, losing face, and possibly getting hurt. He kinda scratched his head with a sheepish grin and had no comeback for that. Of course, that had to do with competitive fighting and not self-defense, but the same truth I’m talking about still holds. There are many people, inside and outside of the martial arts, who think like that guy did; that they are inherently deadly and therefore they choose to only be peaceful. I love peace, but if you lack the capability of ‘turning it on’ if and when it becomes unavoidable and absolutely necessary, then it’s not really a choice.

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I have been in fights, and in every case, I had no way out because of what I did or what somebody else did. So I try to make sure I avoid getting involved in everything. If you are being raped, molested, beat up, or killed, depending on how I feel that day...you may just have to endure it because I have a small insignificant record that I do not want expanded in any way. "They" gave me the record, and now "they" have to provide protection to their people 24x7x365 because I'm not getting involved. If I get involved, I give myself a 90% chance of winning any battle, but there may be a cost to me for doing that, and I refuse to be a pinata to the court system.

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Hahaha! 😆 I remember seeing that years ago, posted on another forum. I love it.

Although they would deny it, and like to call out other martial arts for their fantasy BS, there are many BJJ practitioners who are full of their own type of BS. I recall a few years ago, a news story about a hiker who was attacked by a mountain lion. He was reported to have killed it by strangling it. There were online articles written by BJJ practitioners, claiming that BJJ has now proven itself effective as a means of self-defense against wild animals "on the trail."

Turns out the hiker was NOT a BJJ guy, and that the mountain lion that had attacked him had been an aggressive (and IIRC, starved and/or sick) mountain lion kitten; and he had 'strangled' it by stepping on its neck. Still a dangerous situation, but most definitely NOT what the overzealous BJJ born-agains had made it out to be. When the full details came out, the rabid BJJ fanatics went oddly silent on the matter.

Which goes to show that no martial art, period, is without its delusional fantasy BS-ers.

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Michel Pereira Knockout Highlights

His martial arts background is listed as Karate and BJJ, but IMO, he also had to have at least some training in Capoeira. Not that doing circular spinning kicks has to be Capoeira, as Karate has those, too; but the way he does his spin kicks, his style of movement, and some of his footwork, looks like Capoeira. Definitely an entertaining fighter to watch.

https://youtu.be/KehH36O9Xso

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James Y wrote:
Sat Apr 16, 2022 5:04 pm
Michel Pereira Knockout Highlights

His martial arts background is listed as Karate and BJJ, but IMO, he also had to have at least some training in Capoeira. Not that doing circular spinning kicks has to be Capoeira, as Karate has those, too; but the way he does his spin kicks, his style of movement, and some of his footwork, looks like Capoeira. Definitely an entertaining fighter to watch.

https://youtu.be/KehH36O9Xso

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https://youtu.be/z_HZr6I_JpA

We are in Freestyle /Greco season and some of these slams are BRUTAL. If done on asphalt would be life altering.
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twinboysdad wrote:
Sat Apr 16, 2022 10:52 pm
https://youtu.be/z_HZr6I_JpA

We are in Freestyle /Greco season and some of these slams are BRUTAL. If done on asphalt would be life altering.
Back around 87 to 89, I was leaving a nearby Jr College and headed home and some guy cut off a lil ole lady and almost put her in a ditch with a severe drop off. I pulled up to the light and told the guy that was not too smart, wherein over the course of the next 4 mile drive, he cut me off and threatened to beat the stink out of me at least 4 times.

As of 2012, I no longer get involved in these scenarios. The cops, prosecutors, and judges do not have a clue to who is the good guy, and they prosecute honest people. This is what I mean by, ""YOU are all on your own now" including the 75 year old lil lady.

In any case, when the guy pulled down the street I lived on, I parked my car, and exited the vehicle, wherein he ran straight at me and I picked him up and threw him on the pavement. Never mind that he outweighed me by 50lbs and was almost 6 inches taller...that just made the deed that much sweeter.
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twinboysdad wrote:
Sat Apr 16, 2022 10:52 pm
https://youtu.be/z_HZr6I_JpA

We are in Freestyle /Greco season and some of these slams are BRUTAL. If done on asphalt would be life altering.

Good stuff. Thanks for sharing.

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Naperville wrote:
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Back around 87 to 89, I was leaving a nearby Jr College and headed home and some guy cut off a lil ole lady and almost put her in a ditch with a severe drop off. I pulled up to the light and told the guy that was not too smart, wherein over the course of the next 4 mile drive, he cut me off and threatened to beat the stink out of me at least 4 times.

As of 2012, I no longer get involved in these scenarios. The cops, prosecutors, and judges do not have a clue to who is the good guy, and they prosecute honest people. This is what I mean by, ""YOU are all on your own now" including the 75 year old lil lady.

In any case, when the guy pulled down the street I lived on, I parked my car, and exited the vehicle, wherein he ran straight at me and I picked him up and threw him on the pavement. Never mind that he outweighed me by 50lbs and was almost 6 inches taller...that just made the deed that much sweeter.

I've mostly avoided road rage scenarios, or at least mostly tried to avoid feeding into them. I never got into a physical altercation over a road rage incident.

However, there was one time I was on the freeway in the far right-hand slow lane, going about 5 MPH above the speed limit, when this big pickup truck suddenly zooms up behind me, as if I'm going too slow, when there were no other cars in the immediate vicinity, so he had plenty of room in the other lanes to pass me. He was practically touching my rear bumper and honking his horn.

Then I moved into the second lane to let him pass, and he pulled up even with me. It was some clean-shaven (or unable to grow facial hair), sawed-off, dorky-looking redneck with big buck teeth, a western-style shirt, and a cowboy hat on. He glared at me, then flipped the bird at me with his stubby little arm out his driver's side window, and held it there. I turned back to the highway. Then, just as he was going towards an offramp connecting to another highway and still glared at me, I quickly leaned over the passenger seat with a big, leering grin, and made an obscene gesture at him with my tongue, and he about went bonkers, screaming something I couldn't hear. Then his head suddenly snapped back to the road, his shocked facial expression like a cartoon. His eyes and mouth opened wide, buck teeth visible in his "O" mouth, because his truck was headed straight for the cement divider at the offramp. He veered his truck, just making the offramp, and barely avoided crashing his truck. I started laughing. It seems odd to admit this, but because there were no other cars nearby at the time, my mentality back then was that I wouldn't have cared less if he HAD crashed into that offramp divider. This was a long time ago, possibly around 1994 or so.

It was stupid of me to even feed into that, and I wouldn't feed into that type of behavior now. You never know who might try to shoot you, car to car. I don't even know why I fed into it that one time. Immaturity, I suppose. Had it been worth it? Not really. I could've let it go, he would've made the exit, and I would have forgotten all about it 5 minutes later and never seen him again. But what is life if we don't learn from it?

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Michael "Venom" Page, Highlights

A UK fighter, "Venom's" MA background included kickboxing and Lau Gar Kung Fu, through which he first competed in Karate point fighting. Very cocky, very entertaining to watch, and very effective in the ring.

However, if he fights long enough, eventually the showboating and clowning might be his undoing. Remember what happened to Anderson Silva when he clowned around against Chris Weidman.

https://youtu.be/ow5-n8AUwfY

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What's It Like Training With Steven Seagal Today? (Video Below)

I know there are a ton of jokes about Stevan Seagal. I've even made a few. However, I've always been aware that, despite his considerable character flaws and weight gain, he is a legit MAist (martial artist). One hardcore MAist I knew, who does not mince words when it comes to speaking about other MAists and their skills (or lack of), attended one of Seagal's seminars many years ago in Toronto, Canada, and said that skill-wise, Seagal is the real deal. Like I've said ad nauseum in this thread, " Don't underestimate anyone."

Seagal is a perfect example of the fact that you can be a legit MAist and a psychopath at the same time. Nobody is perfect or without flaws, but there are enough accounts from (countless) people of Seagal's bad behavior, at times EGREGIOUS behavior. As well as countless false claims he has made over the years.

As to Seagal's considerable weight gain, which has made him the butt (no pun intended) of jokes over the years; it is extremely common among many older martial arts teachers. I've seen countless examples of older Karate teachers, many quite well-known, who were svelte competitors back in the day, who ended up sporting very overweight, pear-shaped bodies. To the point that a friend and I used to jokingly refer to it as "Karate body." But such weight gain occurs among practitioners of any style, system, sport, etc. Older martial artists like Chuck Norris, Bill Wallace, Benny Urquidez, etc., who have kept themselves in great shape as they've aged, are probably among the exceptions rather than the rule. Over the years, I’ve become less judgmental about weight gain in older MAists, because there can be other factors involved besides simply laziness, overeating, etc. I’m certain that a high percentage of the young men who mock Seagal’s weight today will be shaped a lot like him in the future.

Legit MAist or not, I am NOT a fan of Steven Seagal. I liked maybe three of his very early movies when they first came out, but I cannot watch his stuff anymore. And I would never want to train with him, even for a day.

https://youtu.be/Lmbsq4dZWPY

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I found Seagal's movies entertaining, but don't ascribe to his art at all. Since he has ingratiated himself to Putin I'm no longer interested in him.
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Dog Attacks the Wrong Guy and Pays the Price

The martial arts content comes near the end. Perfectly executed. The man was very lucky that the other dogs that came along were not also attacking him.

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What Happens If You Are Attacked By "Bajiquan"? (Featuring Tamotsu Miyahara)

Video below.

This Japanese Bajiquan group appears to have descended from the same lineage as my second Mantis teacher, Sifu Peng, in Taiwan. Sifu Peng''s first martial art was Bajiquan, which he studied under the famous Grandmaster Liu Yunqiao (also spelled Liu Yun-Chiao), at the Wutan Institute. Their uniforms and style of movement are dead giveaways. Back in the '80s, several Japanese went to Taiwan and studied at the Wutan Institute, and became teachers back in Japan. Sifu Peng took a group of us to visit and pay our respects to Grandmaster Liu at the Wutan Institute in 1991, about a year before Liu's death in 1992. He was still overseeing his classes while hooked up to some type of large oxygen machine at the time.

I only studied Mantis style (Tanglangquan) under my Sifu Peng, but he did teach us some of the basics and power-generating exercises of Bajiquan. He also taught me "Dingzhou," or piercing elbow, which is one of Bajiquan's characteristic techniques, and what is mainly being featured in this video. It is deceptively powerful, and AFAIK, nothing like it is used in Muay Thai or MMA. In the past, I've staggered and even winded some guys with this piercing elbow strike, while they were holding body shields. The secret is you're using your entire body weight moving into the opponent. So it's less of an "elbow strike" and more of a whole body bump that uses the tip of the elbow as the striking point, if that makes sense. Since both Bajiquan and Tanglangquan are northern Kung Fu systems, incorporating some Baji into my Mantis was not difficult. Although they differ in emphasis, many northern systems share certain principles in common.

A viewer might say that no one is going to just stand there and let you hit them like in the video. Understand that the video is a friendly sharing and exchange between different martial arts groups in Japan. They aren't competing. To make ANYTHING effective, one must develop it through proper training, and incorporate it into one's own arsenal, then pressure test it. There are differences between the basic form or shape of the technique in the learning stages, and actual, practical application.

One may ask, if that's the case, why learn the basic form of it at all? Because the basic form is a framework to develop from. And every individual will adjust it differently to be effective for them. Otherwise, it's too easy to end up developing 'Slop Fu', and then blame the technique or the system itself for being ineffective, rather than one's own shortcomings.

https://youtu.be/4ysDf9cj6Ks

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James Y wrote:
Wed Apr 20, 2022 8:42 am
What's It Like Training With Steven Seagal Today? (Video Below)

I know there are a ton of jokes about Stevan Seagal. I've even made a few. However, I've always been aware that, despite his considerable character flaws and weight gain, he is a legit MAist (martial artist). One hardcore MAist I knew, who does not mince words when it comes to speaking about other MAists and their skills (or lack of), attended one of Seagal's seminars many years ago in Toronto, Canada, and said that skill-wise, Seagal is the real deal. Like I've said ad nauseum in this thread, " Don't underestimate anyone."

Seagal is a perfect example of the fact that you can be a legit MAist and a psychopath at the same time. Nobody is perfect or without flaws, but there are enough accounts from (countless) people of Seagal's bad behavior, at times EGREGIOUS behavior. As well as countless false claims he has made over the years.

As to Seagal's considerable weight gain, which has made him the butt (no pun intended) of jokes over the years; it is extremely common among many older martial arts teachers. I've seen countless examples of older Karate teachers, many quite well-known, who were svelte competitors back in the day, who ended up sporting very overweight, pear-shaped bodies. To the point that a friend and I used to jokingly refer to it as "Karate body." But such weight gain occurs among practitioners of any style, system, sport, etc. Older martial artists like Chuck Norris, Bill Wallace, Benny Urquidez, etc., who have kept themselves in great shape as they've aged, are probably among the exceptions rather than the rule. Over the years, I’ve become less judgmental about weight gain in older MAists, because there can be other factors involved besides simply laziness, overeating, etc. I’m certain that a high percentage of the young men who mock Seagal’s weight today will be shaped a lot like him in the future.

Legit MAist or not, I am NOT a fan of Steven Seagal. I liked maybe three of his very early movies when they first came out, but I cannot watch his stuff anymore. And I would never want to train with him, even for a day.

https://youtu.be/Lmbsq4dZWPY

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Hahah, f'ing Steven Seagal! As much as I want to hate his pretentious @ss, damnit if he isn't kind of a decent musician, maybe?..

https://youtu.be/73A_HB5k--M
https://youtu.be/GlatCyoi8cw

I have two of his albums.. I'd be lying if I said I didn't actually enjoy a few of his songs (covers)..
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Lee Morrison (Urban Combatives) also covers the use of elbows.
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DSH007 wrote:
Fri Apr 22, 2022 4:55 pm
James Y wrote:
Wed Apr 20, 2022 8:42 am
What's It Like Training With Steven Seagal Today? (Video Below)

I know there are a ton of jokes about Stevan Seagal. I've even made a few. However, I've always been aware that, despite his considerable character flaws and weight gain, he is a legit MAist (martial artist). One hardcore MAist I knew, who does not mince words when it comes to speaking about other MAists and their skills (or lack of), attended one of Seagal's seminars many years ago in Toronto, Canada, and said that skill-wise, Seagal is the real deal. Like I've said ad nauseum in this thread, " Don't underestimate anyone."

Seagal is a perfect example of the fact that you can be a legit MAist and a psychopath at the same time. Nobody is perfect or without flaws, but there are enough accounts from (countless) people of Seagal's bad behavior, at times EGREGIOUS behavior. As well as countless false claims he has made over the years.

As to Seagal's considerable weight gain, which has made him the butt (no pun intended) of jokes over the years; it is extremely common among many older martial arts teachers. I've seen countless examples of older Karate teachers, many quite well-known, who were svelte competitors back in the day, who ended up sporting very overweight, pear-shaped bodies. To the point that a friend and I used to jokingly refer to it as "Karate body." But such weight gain occurs among practitioners of any style, system, sport, etc. Older martial artists like Chuck Norris, Bill Wallace, Benny Urquidez, etc., who have kept themselves in great shape as they've aged, are probably among the exceptions rather than the rule. Over the years, I’ve become less judgmental about weight gain in older MAists, because there can be other factors involved besides simply laziness, overeating, etc. I’m certain that a high percentage of the young men who mock Seagal’s weight today will be shaped a lot like him in the future.

Legit MAist or not, I am NOT a fan of Steven Seagal. I liked maybe three of his very early movies when they first came out, but I cannot watch his stuff anymore. And I would never want to train with him, even for a day.

https://youtu.be/Lmbsq4dZWPY

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Hahah, f'ing Steven Seagal! As much as I want to hate his pretentious @ss, damnit if he isn't kind of a decent musician, maybe?..

https://youtu.be/73A_HB5k--M
https://youtu.be/GlatCyoi8cw

I have two of his albums.. I'd be lying if I said I didn't actually enjoy a few of his songs (covers)..

Yep, he's a piece of work alright...🙂

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