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Re: Martial Arts Experiences Discussion Thread

Postby twinboysdad » Mon Oct 31, 2022 12:53 pm

Man the tall dude should have thrown teeps like crazy. His round kicks were slow and long. Jab, teep, knee would have been the plan. Distance and knee to reset

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Re: Martial Arts Experiences Discussion Thread

Postby max808 » Mon Oct 31, 2022 1:48 pm

James Y wrote:
Mon Oct 31, 2022 10:20 am
Muay Thai fight

A Thai fighting a much taller/larger opponent.

https://youtu.be/-vb8a5p6qyk

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Great video Jim, thanks for sharing! Those inside lowkicks to the knee had such vicious intent as if he was chopping down a tree. That dragonfist to the solar plexus was truly spectacular and swiftly sealed the deal. Both fighters are tougher than a coffin nail for even making it through this in one piece.

Enjoy the holidays and stay safe out there,
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Re: Martial Arts Experiences Discussion Thread

Postby James Y » Wed Nov 02, 2022 2:16 pm

Twinboysdad:

Yeah, he could have probably used his height and reach more, but one thing I've learned is there are tons of "woulda-coulda-shouldas" when it comes to fighting. I know in the past, I was down on myself a couple of times after competitions, thinking (or had been told), "You should've done this, that, etc."

I won't take anything away from the Thai fighter, though. The taller guy still landed some hard shots on the Thai; and even if tall guy had used his reach better, he still might have lost, anyway.

Max:

You stay safe and in good health, too.

It looked to me like the Thai got him with a liver shot. If only the referee's head wasn't in the way...

Jim

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Re: Martial Arts Experiences Discussion Thread

Postby James Y » Wed Nov 02, 2022 2:27 pm

Brutal Kyokushin Knockout

Spinning hook kick. A very scary KO. The opponent was unconscious with his eyes open.

I really appreciate how the winner here remained respectful, and even showed genuine concern for his opponent. He shows maturity and decorum. Perhaps it's the nature of this particular sport.

One thing I don't like about a LOT of combat sports athletes is when they start smirking, taunting their downed opponent, dancing a jig, and running victory laps after scoring a KO. People might criticize my opinion on this, but we all have our opinions, and this is mine. To me, it not only lacks decorum; but when the winners behave like that, it makes the winners look immature, and like they'd never won anything before in their lives.

https://youtu.be/7Oy1X1Xq2bk

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Re: Martial Arts Experiences Discussion Thread

Postby James Y » Fri Nov 04, 2022 2:19 pm

'Kudo Daido Juku Highlights 2021: The Best of Full-Contact Martial Arts'

https://youtu.be/yGzbzii94AI

More Highlights:

https://youtu.be/u8UPIf7yId0

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Re: Martial Arts Experiences Discussion Thread

Postby James Y » Fri Nov 04, 2022 3:23 pm

Master Ken vs Chris Crudelli

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https://youtu.be/yNxqDjGlk18

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Re: Martial Arts Experiences Discussion Thread

Postby James Y » Thu Nov 10, 2022 12:47 pm

Savate Demonstration; Paris, 1928

https://youtu.be/C8Bn5qJhMsk

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Re: Martial Arts Experiences Discussion Thread

Postby max808 » Thu Nov 10, 2022 1:48 pm

James Y wrote:
Wed Nov 02, 2022 2:16 pm
Twinboysdad:

Yeah, he could have probably used his height and reach more, but one thing I've learned is there are tons of "woulda-coulda-shouldas" when it comes to fighting. I know in the past, I was down on myself a couple of times after competitions, thinking (or had been told), "You should've done this, that, etc."

I won't take anything away from the Thai fighter, though. The taller guy still landed some hard shots on the Thai; and even if tall guy had used his reach better, he still might have lost, anyway.

Max:

You stay safe and in good health, too.

It looked to me like the Thai got him with a liver shot. If only the referee's head wasn't in the way...

Jim
Thanks Jim, will do! You could be right about the livershot but it looks to me like the Thai caught the kickboxer a lil under his plexus, which when done barehanded and full force could kill him in a few days from internal trauma. As you well know it's the centre of our nervous system and generates/regulates energy in synergy with our hearts and minds. According to legend the technique originates in China where it was taught at Shaolin monestaries as iron fist or dragon fist, later popularized by Bruce Lee as the 1-inch punch.

You have a good one Sir and in advance a great Armistice/Veterans Day to you and your loved ones,
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Re: Martial Arts Experiences Discussion Thread

Postby twinboysdad » Thu Nov 10, 2022 3:14 pm

James Y wrote:
Wed Nov 02, 2022 2:16 pm
Twinboysdad:

Yeah, he could have probably used his height and reach more, but one thing I've learned is there are tons of "woulda-coulda-shouldas" when it comes to fighting. I know in the past, I was down on myself a couple of times after competitions, thinking (or had been told), "You should've done this, that, etc."

I won't take anything away from the Thai fighter, though. The taller guy still landed some hard shots on the Thai; and even if tall guy had used his reach better, he still might have lost,

Jim
My son that wrestles has taught me woulda shoulda isn’t well received after an L. I know say what’s one thing you did well and one thing you can improve.

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Re: Martial Arts Experiences Discussion Thread

Postby James Y » Thu Nov 10, 2022 8:28 pm

max808 wrote:
Thu Nov 10, 2022 1:48 pm
James Y wrote:
Wed Nov 02, 2022 2:16 pm
Twinboysdad:

Yeah, he could have probably used his height and reach more, but one thing I've learned is there are tons of "woulda-coulda-shouldas" when it comes to fighting. I know in the past, I was down on myself a couple of times after competitions, thinking (or had been told), "You should've done this, that, etc."

I won't take anything away from the Thai fighter, though. The taller guy still landed some hard shots on the Thai; and even if tall guy had used his reach better, he still might have lost, anyway.

Max:

You stay safe and in good health, too.

It looked to me like the Thai got him with a liver shot. If only the referee's head wasn't in the way...

Jim
Thanks Jim, will do! You could be right about the livershot but it looks to me like the Thai caught the kickboxer a lil under his plexus, which when done barehanded and full force could kill him in a few days from internal trauma. As you well know it's the centre of our nervous system and generates/regulates energy in synergy with our hearts and minds. According to legend the technique originates in China where it was taught at Shaolin monestaries as iron fist or dragon fist, later popularized by Bruce Lee as the 1-inch punch.

You have a good one Sir and in advance a great Armistice/Veterans Day to you and your loved ones,
max

Thanks, Max.

Jim

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Re: Martial Arts Experiences Discussion Thread

Postby James Y » Thu Nov 10, 2022 8:47 pm

twinboysdad wrote:
Thu Nov 10, 2022 3:14 pm
James Y wrote:
Wed Nov 02, 2022 2:16 pm
Twinboysdad:

Yeah, he could have probably used his height and reach more, but one thing I've learned is there are tons of "woulda-coulda-shouldas" when it comes to fighting. I know in the past, I was down on myself a couple of times after competitions, thinking (or had been told), "You should've done this, that, etc."

I won't take anything away from the Thai fighter, though. The taller guy still landed some hard shots on the Thai; and even if tall guy had used his reach better, he still might have lost,

Jim
My son that wrestles has taught me woulda shoulda isn’t well received after an L. I know say what’s one thing you did well and one thing you can improve.

That's actually a great way to word it.

In my case, the types of individuals who said, "You should've done this or that" to me (or to others on teams I was on) never actually competed themselves. They always had a lot to say about what others should do, but never did anything themselves. It was never the teacher or teammates who talked like that.

Even if I already felt a bit down on myself for not doing my best, I'd tell such persons, "OK, next time you can show me how it's done." At that point, they'd start hemming and hawing about fighting being too dangerous, and that they wouldn't want to hurt their opponent. Then I'd say, "The real reason you won't fight is because you're afraid of getting hurt yourself and losing face." Then they'd start scratching their head, get a sheepish smile, and shut up. As you can probably guess, the 'they' I'm talking about was one person in particular. But there always seems to be 'that guy' in every group.

Jim

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Re: Martial Arts Experiences Discussion Thread

Postby James Y » Thu Nov 17, 2022 11:32 pm

Jean Frenette Forms (Musical Kata and Traditional Kata)

(2 videos below)

I remember seeing Jean Frenette at Ed Parker's Long Beach Internationals (Karate tournament) in 1987, while on a brief visit back home to CA when I was living in Taiwan. He performed a nontraditional musical kata, the very same one he's showing in the first video below.

I never much cared for musical kata (or for kata/forms in general) in my younger years. In the early '80s, I had seen big names on the national tournament circuit at the time, like John Chung, George Chung (no relation to John), Cynthia Rothrock (who later became an action film star), Ernie Reyes Sr. and Jr., etc., perform musical kata at tournaments. They were all very good, especially John Chung, whose technique was machined to perfection. This was before "XMA," the super-flashy performance version of Karate/Tae Kwon Do that I think took off in the '90s.

But when I saw Canadian Jean Frenette, I was blown away. His mental focus, the physical control and precision of his technique, and his timing of it to the rhythm of the music, was awe-inspiring. I hadn't seen anyone before or after him do creative/musical forms at his level. The XMA athletes of today are far more flashy and acrobatic, and they scream their heads off, but IMO, they don't even come close to having the solid basic foundation, technique, and perfect control of Jean Frenette. You almost forget he's only about 5' 6" tall.

https://youtu.be/cxFj6JlXpfs

Sometime later, Jean Frenette went back to performing strong traditional Karate kata. The flashy "extreme" musical kata would be impossible to maintain and continue doing at a high level as the body ages, but many skills in almost any "traditional" system can continue to be refined or adapted well into old age. I have a great deal of respect for Jean Frenette and his lifelong dedication to Karate, as a martial artist and as a performing artist.

https://youtu.be/cB5sw0WPsaM

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Re: Martial Arts Experiences Discussion Thread

Postby James Y » Tue Nov 22, 2022 10:40 am

Smooth Foot Sweep in a Street Fight

Besides having first learned the foot sweep in Judo, it was also present when I studied Shito-ryu Karate in the late '70s. I could be wrong, but I've always been fairly certain that the foot sweep was adapted into Japanese Karate from Judo. I'm not sure if this same type of sweep was used in traditional Okinawan Karate, which Shito-ryu was a Japanese adaptation of. I don't know if the modern, "Olympic style" of Japanese sport Karate still uses the foot sweep or not.

Oddly enough, we never learned or used this type of foot sweep when I studied Kenpo Karate, also in the late '70s and into the early '80s.

In many Chinese systems, sweeping the foot is often an ankle hook, hooking the opponent's ankle or foot and pulling.

https://youtu.be/wM9G0hk_Zmk

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Re: Martial Arts Experiences Discussion Thread

Postby James Y » Wed Nov 23, 2022 5:37 pm

'This is Kudo!!'

https://youtu.be/NqcE1J7z2eE

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Postby James Y » Sat Nov 26, 2022 11:48 am

The Devastating Death of Jason David Frank

(2 videos below)

I was already an adult in my 30s back when Mighty Morphin Power Rangers came out, so I never watched it. But by all accounts Jason David Frank was a great human being. He was an inspiration to so many who grew up watching him. RIP.

https://youtu.be/WdzgzDocH18

Details Emerge on Jason David Frank's Passing

Sadly, he committed suicide.

https://youtu.be/i_fn8Ej-YQQ

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Re: Martial Arts Experiences Discussion Thread

Postby James Y » Tue Nov 29, 2022 1:13 pm

Chloe Bruce

Chloe Bruce is a famous kicking and extreme flexibility specialist from the UK. She does an XMA style of Tae Kwon Do, but her kicking basics are rock-solid, especially her side thrust kick. And her balance and focus are impeccable. Which is something you don't often see in young martial arts practitioners of today's era.

Her method of high knee chambering is the modern sport style that was popularized in the West by Bill "Superfoot" Wallace back in the 1970s, who in turn was probably influenced in the late 1960s by Skipper Mullins. Independently in the 1960s in Asia, Tan Tao-Liang had already perfected launching multiple kicks from that same high knee chamber.

In the second video below, Chloe Bruce threw over 120 round kicks with the same leg, nonstop and without faltering, while skipping forward on the other foot. Admittedly, I've not seen anyone else do that. Sure, none of the kicks in that sequence had any stopping power at all, but I'd like to see anybody who might criticize her try to do what she did. I'm pretty sure that if she wanted to, she's fully capable of launching a single, focused, rear-leg roundhouse kick with more than enough torque and power.

As far as actual usage in fighting or in self-defense, such a high knee chamber is NOT necessary for the side kick, and may in fact be detrimental. It worked for Bill Wallace in his matches, but street self-defense is an entirely different animal from American-style kickboxing in a ring.

Chloe may train more for fitness and aesthetics/performance reasons, but there is room for all of that in the martial arts world.

Chloe Bruce Side Kick:

https://youtube.com/shorts/9RBH19GdOKs?feature=share

Chloe Bruce 2010 Demo in Zurich:

https://youtu.be/CvRIUVmXxCM

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Re: Martial Arts Experiences Discussion Thread

Postby James Y » Sat Dec 03, 2022 10:46 am

1969 Long Beach International Karate Championship

The 2 clips below feature Arnold Urquidez, an older brother of legendary kickboxer Benny "The Jet" Urquidez. In both clips, Arnold Urquidez is the southpaw on the right of the screen..

In the second clip, he is fighting Joe Lewis, who later pioneered American-style kickboxing. Urquidez appeared to have possibly had a foot injury against Lewis.

https://youtu.be/bBSh7lCU7aQ

https://youtu.be/OEj6Ng9l6Ec

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Re: Martial Arts Experiences Discussion Thread

Postby James Y » Tue Dec 06, 2022 12:22 pm

    George Foreman vs Ron Lyle: The Most Explosive (Heavyweight) Brawl of All Time, Explained - Fight Breakdown

    Thanks to Joe/JD Spydo for telling me about this 1976 fight sometime back. I had long heard of it, but had never seen it. I did watch this YouTube video after Joe told me about it, but only now have decided to post this fight analysis here. It's the kind of fight that destroys brain cells, although Foreman still appears to be OK in that regard to this day. I believe the full fight is available to watch on YouTube.

    https://youtu.be/l8veHDRPaB4

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    Re: Martial Arts Experiences Discussion Thread

    Postby James Y » Wed Dec 07, 2022 3:08 pm

    Joe Lewis (1944 - 2012)

    Joe Lewis was among the very few people in the martial arts that I idolized as a youngster, along with Bruce Lee, Benny Urquidez, and Bill Wallace. Possibly a couple more. Not only for Joe Lewis's amazing fighting skills, but more for his intelligent, no-nonsense approach to martial arts and fighting. I wish I had the honor to have met and sparred him in my youth; I would've been severely outclassed, but at least I could've said, "I got to spar Joe Lewis!"

    TBH, Joe Lewis' movies weren't too great. He was a much better real-life martial artist and fighter than he was as an actor and screen fighter. It was said that Joe Lewis had been Bruce Lee's first choice as his main fighting opponent in Way of the Dragon, but that Lewis had turned it down. So Bruce Lee then went with Chuck Norris. And the rest is history.

    In addition to being considered the greatest all-around American Karate tournament champion, Joe Lewis pioneered the sport of American full-contact kickboxing in 1970.

    Joe Lewis Tribute 2012

    https://youtu.be/8AL5YG_AwTo

    Joe Lewis 2012

    This was a few months before Mr. Lewis' passing:

    https://youtu.be/I6eS7PosSsk

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