After reading several of these most interesting comments I've kind of taken an alternate viewpoint on this current virus scare. I do think that this current virus ( Man made or Nature Made) is going to somehow be contained. They do seem to kind of have a head start on containing it for the foreseeable future. I'm still wondering if this current virus is actually weaponized or just a freak occurrence of nature. I do personally tend to think that it was from some sinister biotech lab even though I have no real valid way of proving it. Just a hunch based on a few circumstances nothing more.
But with most of the victims being aged or already in weakened conditions maybe it isn't worthy of the fear that it has generated. But I still don't think that it hurts to be cautious. And being aware of a problem almost always gives you the upper hand on it. I am currently in a very fortunate situation. I have food stockpiles that I have garnered by bartering and doing favors for some good people. I could hunker down for probably 90 to 110 days if I need to with plenty of food and potable water with no need of even leaving the house at all.
The blessing of the internet is that information really spreads fast by comparison. Had there been a similar information source during the dark ages I doubt if the Black Plague would have been nearly as horrible as it was. But on the other hand awareness and prevention are both worth their weight in gold. But I do plan on taking provisions and serious caution irrespective what ultimately happens.
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Re: Corona Virus, Chinese Origin, Now In the USA
JD Spydo wrote: ↑Sat Jan 25, 2020 5:01 pmAfter reading several of these most interesting comments I've kind of taken an alternate viewpoint on this current virus scare. I do think that this current virus ( Man made or Nature Made) is going to somehow be contained. They do seem to kind of have a head start on containing it for the foreseeable future. I'm still wondering if this current virus is actually weaponized or just a freak occurrence of nature. I do personally tend to think that it was from some sinister biotech lab even though I have no real valid way of proving it. Just a hunch based on a few circumstances nothing more.
But with most of the victims being aged or already in weakened conditions maybe it isn't worthy of the fear that it has generated. But I still don't think that it hurts to be cautious. And being aware of a problem almost always gives you the upper hand on it. I am currently in a very fortunate situation. I have food stockpiles that I have garnered by bartering and doing favors for some good people. I could hunker down for probably 90 to 110 days if I need to with plenty of food and potable water with no need of even leaving the house at all.
The blessing of the internet is that information really spreads fast by comparison. Had there been a similar information source during the dark ages I doubt if the Black Plague would have been nearly as horrible as it was. But on the other hand awareness and prevention are both worth their weight in gold. But I do plan on taking provisions and serious caution irrespective what ultimately happens.
I doubt that it was a weaponized virus, if it was it would be both VERY deadly, like a 99% mortality rate and it would spread MUCH faster than even this one has. Would be like an R-O 6-8 or higher.
They are having problems in China containing it because it does spread fast.
And the incubation period is like 4 days and with an R-O of 2-3 it's not all that surprising really.
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My research NOTES thus far.
This is a coronavirus and so it falls in to the common cold category for research.
The contagion factor or Ro is around 2.6+.
SARS and MERS both killed less than 1,000, and this virus is similar.
WEBMD SAYS
Cold viruses have a lot in common, but each type has its own style, too.
More than 200 types (of cold viruses) lead to your misery, but the most common one is the rhinovirus, which is thought to be responsible for at least 50% of colds. Other viruses that can cause colds include coronavirus, respiratory syncytial virus, influenza and parainfluenza.
Rhinovirus. This bunch is most active in early fall, spring, and summer. They cause 10%-40% of colds. You'll feel plenty miserable when you catch one, but the good news is they rarely make you seriously sick.
Coronavirus. These tend to do their dirty work in the winter and early spring. The coronavirus is the cause of about 20% of colds. There are more than 30 kinds, but only three or four affect people.
RSV and parainfluenza. These viruses cause 20% of colds. They sometimes lead to severe infections, like pneumonia, in young children.
Americans have 1 billion colds a year.
CDC SAYS
You can help reduce your risk of getting a cold:
Wash your hands often with soap and water. Wash them for 20 seconds, and help young children do the same. If soap and water are not available, use an alcohol-based hand sanitizer. Viruses that cause colds can live on your hands, and regular handwashing can help protect you from getting sick.
Avoid touching your eyes, nose, and mouth with unwashed hands. Viruses that cause colds can enter your body this way and make you sick
Stay away from people who are sick. Sick people can spread viruses that cause the common cold through close contact with others.
Stay at home while you are sick and keep children out of school or daycare while they are sick.
Avoid close contact with others, such as hugging, kissing, or shaking hands.
Move away from people before coughing or sneezing.
Cough and sneeze into a tissue then throw it away, or cough and sneeze into your upper shirt sleeve, completely covering your mouth and nose.
Wash your hands after coughing, sneezing, or blowing your nose.
Disinfect frequently touched surfaces and objects, such as toys and doorknobs.
There is no vaccine to protect you against the common cold.
Antibiotics will not help you recover from a cold caused by a respiratory virus. They do not work against viruses, and they may make it harder for your body to fight future bacterial infections if you take them unnecessarily.
IS THERE ANYTHING ELSE THAT YOU CAN DO? YES!
Zinc for Colds: Lozenges and Nasal Sprays?
- Zinc is an essential mineral that's found in almost every cell, and it helps your body resist infection. It also plays an important part in tissue repair. And it may lower the ability of cold viruses to grow on or bind to the lining of your nose.
- It also appeared to prevent colds in people who used it over the course of about 5 months.
- Experts recommend that you not take zinc for more than 5 days. Long-term use -- more than 6 weeks -- can lead to copper deficiency but this can be overcome by taking almost any multivitamin.
Extracts of echinacea do seem to have an effect on the immune system, your body's defense against germs. Research shows it increases the number of white blood cells, which fight infections. A review of more than a dozen studies, published in 2014, found the herbal remedy had a very slight benefit in preventing colds.
https://www.nytimes.com/2020/01/24/worl ... virus.html
Experts are preparing for an outbreak that could last months.
Dr. Gauden Galea, the representative of the World Health Organization in Beijing, said in an interview on Friday that while much was uncertain, health officials were preparing for an outbreak that could last for months. He said that eventually thousands of people would most likely be infected, citing models produced by public health experts.
Masks may help, but experts say it’s more important to wash your hands.
Dr. Julie Vaishampayan, chairwoman of the public health committee for the Infectious Diseases Society of America, said surgical masks are really “the last line of defense.”
“We worry about people feeling they’re getting more protection from the mask than they really are,” she said. “Washing your hands and avoiding people who are ill is way more important than wearing a mask.”
Because surgical masks aren’t fitted or sealed, they leave gaps around the mouth, “so you’re not filtering all of the air that comes in,” she said.
The masks will, however, block most large respiratory droplets from other people’s sneezes and coughs from entering your mouth and nose, said Dr. Amesh Adalja, an infectious disease physician at the Johns Hopkins Center for Health Security. Coronaviruses are primarily spread through droplets, he said.
The bigger problem is that people don’t use the masks properly. “Most people will put their hand underneath the mask to scratch their face or rub their nose,” bringing contaminants in contact with the nose and mouth, said Dr. Adalja. “You can’t take it off when you get a phone call.”
Dr. Mark Loeb, an infectious disease specialist at McMaster University in Hamilton, Ontario, said a study during an outbreak of the SARS coronavirus found that any type of protection — whether a mask or a respirator — reduced the risk of infections in health care workers by about 85 percent.
“The most important message was that the risk was lower if they consistently used any mask,” he said.
But washing hands — frequently and before eating — is universally recommended. Hand sanitizer is effective against respiratory viruses.
This is a coronavirus and so it falls in to the common cold category for research.
The contagion factor or Ro is around 2.6+.
SARS and MERS both killed less than 1,000, and this virus is similar.
WEBMD SAYS
Cold viruses have a lot in common, but each type has its own style, too.
More than 200 types (of cold viruses) lead to your misery, but the most common one is the rhinovirus, which is thought to be responsible for at least 50% of colds. Other viruses that can cause colds include coronavirus, respiratory syncytial virus, influenza and parainfluenza.
Rhinovirus. This bunch is most active in early fall, spring, and summer. They cause 10%-40% of colds. You'll feel plenty miserable when you catch one, but the good news is they rarely make you seriously sick.
Coronavirus. These tend to do their dirty work in the winter and early spring. The coronavirus is the cause of about 20% of colds. There are more than 30 kinds, but only three or four affect people.
RSV and parainfluenza. These viruses cause 20% of colds. They sometimes lead to severe infections, like pneumonia, in young children.
Americans have 1 billion colds a year.
CDC SAYS
You can help reduce your risk of getting a cold:
Wash your hands often with soap and water. Wash them for 20 seconds, and help young children do the same. If soap and water are not available, use an alcohol-based hand sanitizer. Viruses that cause colds can live on your hands, and regular handwashing can help protect you from getting sick.
Avoid touching your eyes, nose, and mouth with unwashed hands. Viruses that cause colds can enter your body this way and make you sick
Stay away from people who are sick. Sick people can spread viruses that cause the common cold through close contact with others.
Stay at home while you are sick and keep children out of school or daycare while they are sick.
Avoid close contact with others, such as hugging, kissing, or shaking hands.
Move away from people before coughing or sneezing.
Cough and sneeze into a tissue then throw it away, or cough and sneeze into your upper shirt sleeve, completely covering your mouth and nose.
Wash your hands after coughing, sneezing, or blowing your nose.
Disinfect frequently touched surfaces and objects, such as toys and doorknobs.
There is no vaccine to protect you against the common cold.
Antibiotics will not help you recover from a cold caused by a respiratory virus. They do not work against viruses, and they may make it harder for your body to fight future bacterial infections if you take them unnecessarily.
IS THERE ANYTHING ELSE THAT YOU CAN DO? YES!
Zinc for Colds: Lozenges and Nasal Sprays?
- Zinc is an essential mineral that's found in almost every cell, and it helps your body resist infection. It also plays an important part in tissue repair. And it may lower the ability of cold viruses to grow on or bind to the lining of your nose.
- It also appeared to prevent colds in people who used it over the course of about 5 months.
- Experts recommend that you not take zinc for more than 5 days. Long-term use -- more than 6 weeks -- can lead to copper deficiency but this can be overcome by taking almost any multivitamin.
Extracts of echinacea do seem to have an effect on the immune system, your body's defense against germs. Research shows it increases the number of white blood cells, which fight infections. A review of more than a dozen studies, published in 2014, found the herbal remedy had a very slight benefit in preventing colds.
https://www.nytimes.com/2020/01/24/worl ... virus.html
Experts are preparing for an outbreak that could last months.
Dr. Gauden Galea, the representative of the World Health Organization in Beijing, said in an interview on Friday that while much was uncertain, health officials were preparing for an outbreak that could last for months. He said that eventually thousands of people would most likely be infected, citing models produced by public health experts.
Masks may help, but experts say it’s more important to wash your hands.
Dr. Julie Vaishampayan, chairwoman of the public health committee for the Infectious Diseases Society of America, said surgical masks are really “the last line of defense.”
“We worry about people feeling they’re getting more protection from the mask than they really are,” she said. “Washing your hands and avoiding people who are ill is way more important than wearing a mask.”
Because surgical masks aren’t fitted or sealed, they leave gaps around the mouth, “so you’re not filtering all of the air that comes in,” she said.
The masks will, however, block most large respiratory droplets from other people’s sneezes and coughs from entering your mouth and nose, said Dr. Amesh Adalja, an infectious disease physician at the Johns Hopkins Center for Health Security. Coronaviruses are primarily spread through droplets, he said.
The bigger problem is that people don’t use the masks properly. “Most people will put their hand underneath the mask to scratch their face or rub their nose,” bringing contaminants in contact with the nose and mouth, said Dr. Adalja. “You can’t take it off when you get a phone call.”
Dr. Mark Loeb, an infectious disease specialist at McMaster University in Hamilton, Ontario, said a study during an outbreak of the SARS coronavirus found that any type of protection — whether a mask or a respirator — reduced the risk of infections in health care workers by about 85 percent.
“The most important message was that the risk was lower if they consistently used any mask,” he said.
But washing hands — frequently and before eating — is universally recommended. Hand sanitizer is effective against respiratory viruses.
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Re: Corona Virus, Chinese Origin, Now In the USA
Naperville wrote: ↑Sat Jan 25, 2020 5:32 pmMy research NOTES thus far.
CDC SAYS
You can help reduce your risk of getting a cold:
Wash your hands often with soap and water. Wash them for 20 seconds, and help young children do the same. If soap and water are not available, use an alcohol-based hand sanitizer. Viruses that cause colds can live on your hands, and regular handwashing can help protect you from getting sick.
Avoid touching your eyes, nose, and mouth with unwashed hands. Viruses that cause colds can enter your body this way and make you sick
Stay away from people who are sick. Sick people can spread viruses that cause the common cold through close contact with others.
Stay at home while you are sick and keep children out of school or daycare while they are sick.
Avoid close contact with others, such as hugging, kissing, or shaking hands.
Move away from people before coughing or sneezing.
Cough and sneeze into a tissue then throw it away, or cough and sneeze into your upper shirt sleeve, completely covering your mouth and nose.
Wash your hands after coughing, sneezing, or blowing your nose.
Disinfect frequently touched surfaces and objects, such as toys and doorknobs.
There is no vaccine to protect you against the common cold.
Antibiotics will not help you recover from a cold caused by a respiratory virus. They do not work against viruses, and they may make it harder for your body to fight future bacterial infections if you take them unnecessarily.
I highlighted one of the biggest issues that I have seen over the years.
People are idiots, they just do not do that for the most part. :rolleyes:
With something like this around they really do need to, it could go though a school in a matter of days. Then the kids spread it to the parents, then the parents spread it around and the next thing you know the whole town has it.
With an R-O of 2-3 it does spread FAST....
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Yep. We will know far more in another 2 months as to where this is headed. Right now it's in the politicians and experts hands.Ankerson wrote: ↑Sat Jan 25, 2020 6:11 pmWith something like this around they really do need to, it could go though a school in a matter of days. Then the kids spread it to the parents, then the parents spread it around and the next thing you know the whole town has it.
With an R-O of 2-3 it does spread FAST....
Just wash your hands folks! Oh, and don't travel to Wuhan.
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Naperville wrote: ↑Sat Jan 25, 2020 6:26 pmYep. We will know far more in another 2 months as to where this is headed. Right now it's in the politicians and experts hands.Ankerson wrote: ↑Sat Jan 25, 2020 6:11 pmWith something like this around they really do need to, it could go though a school in a matter of days. Then the kids spread it to the parents, then the parents spread it around and the next thing you know the whole town has it.
With an R-O of 2-3 it does spread FAST....
Just wash your hands folks! Oh, and don't travel to Wuhan.
Yeah, I am just waiting...
Keeping an eye on it.
But if it does hit they will need to setup quarantines and curfews etc to make people stay home.
That will be the only way to contain it.
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With an R-O of 2-3 it does spread FAST....
I figured it was something like that the way the different countries are reacting. The NORKS closed the borders 2 days ago completely. As much as they rely on imports and currency from the PRC it would have to be bad before they made that decision. Many of the citizens keep their money in the PRC banking system so it will do them little good as long as the borders are closed. The quarantines in the PRC was an act of desperation and the decision could not have been made lightly and with little thought. It's the holidays for goodness sake!
We'll see how it shakes out. It's a fast mover so it won't take long to spread or burn out.
Joe
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The Mastiff wrote: ↑Sat Jan 25, 2020 7:06 pmWith an R-O of 2-3 it does spread FAST....
I figured it was something like that the way the different countries are reacting. The NORKS closed the borders 2 days ago completely. As much as they rely on imports and currency from the PRC it would have to be bad before they made that decision. Many of the citizens keep their money in the PRC banking system so it will do them little good as long as the borders are closed. The quarantines in the PRC was an act of desperation and the decision could not have been made lightly and with little thought. It's the holidays for goodness sake!
We'll see how it shakes out. It's a fast mover so it won't take long to spread or burn out.
Joe
Joe,
Yeah it is not a joke..
What is disturbing is some of the things people are saying online about it. They think it's a joke.
China and some other Countries wouldn't be doing the things they are unless it was serious.
Jim
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I need to be as informed as I possibly can. I decided to watch the movie "CONTAGION" on YouTube tonight.
Tomorrow, I'm going to watch "HOT ZONE" on YouTube.
https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=E ... G9yQLRCjPw
Tomorrow, I'm going to watch "HOT ZONE" on YouTube.
https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=E ... G9yQLRCjPw
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Naperville wrote: ↑Sun Jan 26, 2020 12:22 amI need to be as informed as I possibly can. I decided to watch the movie "CONTAGION" on YouTube tonight.
Tomorrow, I'm going to watch "HOT ZONE" on YouTube.
https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=E ... G9yQLRCjPw
Contagion is actually a good movie.
Pretty accurate as far as how people would react and response time frames etc.
OUTBREAK is another one that's isn't all that bad.
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I did not see OUTBREAK offered on YouTube.
But after watching CONTAGION, all that I can say is they better get their tail in gear and nip this in the bud.
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Naperville wrote: ↑Sun Jan 26, 2020 1:17 amI did not see OUTBREAK offered on YouTube.
But after watching CONTAGION, all that I can say is they better get their tail in gear and nip this in the bud.
People are complaining over in China about the lockdowns...
With an R-O of 2-3..
That's 14,348,907 people infected in just 15 steps and over a Billion in 19 Steps...
But they are complaining... :rolleyes:
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https://multimedia.scmp.com/infographic ... e-launcher
Here is an interesting article about the source.
Here is an interesting article about the source.
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Doc Dan wrote: ↑Sun Jan 26, 2020 8:30 amhttps://multimedia.scmp.com/infographic ... e-launcher
Here is an interesting article about the source.
The pillars of clean there I tell yeah... :eek:
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Doc Dan wrote: ↑Sun Jan 26, 2020 8:30 amhttps://multimedia.scmp.com/infographic ... e-launcher
Here is an interesting article about the source.
That’s one butcher I won’t be visiting....
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Man, I just hope they are never able to weaponize Ebola.
Like, say in aerosol form. I got the idea-fear from reading a Tom Clancy novel, Executive Orders.
In that book, the bad guys were actually able to weaponize the Ebola Zaire virus. That would be a nightmare...
Like, say in aerosol form. I got the idea-fear from reading a Tom Clancy novel, Executive Orders.
In that book, the bad guys were actually able to weaponize the Ebola Zaire virus. That would be a nightmare...
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MacLaren wrote: ↑Sun Jan 26, 2020 10:00 amMan, I just hope they are never able to weaponize Ebola.
Like, say in aerosol form. I got the idea-fear from reading a Tom Clancy novel, Executive Orders.
In that book, the bad guys were actually able to weaponize the Ebola Zaire virus. That would be a nightmare...
I am sure they already have.
That and others.
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****.Ankerson wrote: ↑Sun Jan 26, 2020 10:21 amMacLaren wrote: ↑Sun Jan 26, 2020 10:00 amMan, I just hope they are never able to weaponize Ebola.
Like, say in aerosol form. I got the idea-fear from reading a Tom Clancy novel, Executive Orders.
In that book, the bad guys were actually able to weaponize the Ebola Zaire virus. That would be a nightmare...
I am sure they already have.
That and others.
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If it can be conceived of, it’s already been done.MacLaren wrote: ↑Sun Jan 26, 2020 10:00 amMan, I just hope they are never able to weaponize Ebola.
Like, say in aerosol form. I got the idea-fear from reading a Tom Clancy novel, Executive Orders.
In that book, the bad guys were actually able to weaponize the Ebola Zaire virus. That would be a nightmare...
Jim