What MLB players should be in the HF but aren’t?

[Doc Dan]

What major league baseball players are not in the Hall of Fame but they should be? Kurt Schilling perhaps? There are a number of really good players that are not in the Hall of Fame for one reason or another. This has nothing to do many times with their playing ability.

[wrdwrght]

Betting on (as distinct from throwing) games (e.g. Pete Rose), taking performance-enhancing drugs (and not ODing) (e.g. Alex Rodriguez), having objectionable personalities or politics (e.g. Kurt Schilling); such things should not be disqualifying.

MLB is about making money—BIG MONEY—and winning drives this metric far more than personal stats alone. Did my examples (and their too-numerous-to name ilk) not help their teams win?

BTW, when did comparing different eras or players become the Hall of Fame’s (and asterisk’s) purpose.

[MacLaren]

Well, there are 2 categories for this question imo.
1. Players that didnt do anything wrong, but didnt get in.
Imo, most of these players were probably popular, but just don't have the numbers.
2. Players that have the numbers, but really screwed up by breaking the rules.
So, as for category 1, I really cant think of anyone at the moment.
But.....for category 2, the obvious person with unquestionably best numbers would be Charlie Husltle - Pete Rose
Pete broke the all time hit record without any help.
And, his longevity is as just as impressive.
Pete Rose, was an incredible ball palyer.
That being said, no one else comes close, that not already in the Hall. I say that because by golly steroids WILL MAKE YOU A FREAKIN SUPERMAN. It's very much for real lol....
That being said, I honestly do not believe for one second Barry Bonds would've broken Babe Ruth or Henry Aaron's home run record. Barry Bonds would've prolly gotten in without juice, but he wouldnt of hit all those home runs. Not that late in his career.
Not imo anyways.

[Doc Dan]

No Barry bonds would not have in them nor would he have hit all those homeruns without the steroids. Is there anybody that should be in the Hall of Fame but is not. Schilling, example did not do anything wrong. He didn’t break the rules. People just did not like his personality or his politics. He probably should have gotten in. Who else?

As for Pete Rose, he knew he was doing wrong and did it anyway. However I think his punishment was too severe. In no other sport would he have been punished this severely. And this goes back to a law enacted during the Great Depression Buy a do-nothing Congress combat organize crime.

[Evil D]

Pete is one of the best to ever play the game. It's ridiculous that he isn't in, he was a better player than half the guys in there.

[murphjd25]

Definitely Pete Rose. And I’m so very happy that Edgar Martinez finally got in this past Sunday!!

[kodai78]

Pete agreed to a lifetime ban because the commissioner at the time had information that Pete knew would destroy his reputation. He agreed to the ban. While the other parties were alive he kept a low profile. When Bart Giammatti was long gone and the PI he hired passed away Pete re-opened his campaign to be in the Hall of Fame. I say if we can all see that information and judge whether Pete gambled on games he played in then I would consider his candidacy. If that never happens then I think the lifetime ban he agreed to should stand.
Steroids or Performance enhancing drugs are cheating. They threaten the integrity of the game. Allowing A-Rod or Bonds in the Hall (or anyone else guilty of same) is simply wrong. Cheating shouldn’t be rewarded with high honors. Very old fashioned of me to want Pete to keep his word and cheaters not to be honored? Proud to be old fashioned.

[MacLaren]

Pete agreed to a lifetime ban because the commissioner at the time had information that Pete knew would destroy his reputation. He agreed to the ban. While the other parties were alive he kept a low profile. When Bart Giammatti was long gone and the PI he hired passed away Pete re-opened his campaign to be in the Hall of Fame. I say if we can all see that information and judge whether Pete gambled on games he played in then I would consider his candidacy. If that never happens then I think the lifetime ban he agreed to should stand.
Steroids or Performance enhancing drugs are cheating. They threaten the integrity of the game. Allowing A-Rod or Bonds in the Hall (or anyone else guilty of same) is simply wrong. Cheating shouldn’t be rewarded with high honors. Very old fashioned of me to want Pete to keep his word and cheaters not to be honored? Proud to be old fashioned.

I agree wholeheartedly with this.

[MacLaren]

Pete Rose is arguably the best player ever.
But, what he did - if he really gave a dam, he wouldnt have done that. And, I'm a firm believer theres more to the story as mentioned in an earlier post.
It's just a shame. A crying shame.

[JD Spydo]

Definitely Pete Rose. And I’m so very happy that Edgar Martinez finally got in this past Sunday!!

Pete Rose for sure>> it's been long enough for wounds to heal and I'm more than sure Pete has learned his lesson and could still contribute to MLB in a big way. And breaking Ty Cobbs record with over 4000 base hits>> no one in modern baseball will ever get close to that IMO <>> I forgive PETE ROSE and everyone else should too at this point.
Also include the entire 1975 Cincinnati Reds team that won the world series that year. It's still about the best World Series I can remember.

[OldHoosier62]

I don't even like baseball and even I know Pete Rose got screwed.

[Doc Dan]

I don't even like baseball

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[JD Spydo]

I don't even like baseball

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I agree with OldHoosier >> because like I said earlier none of them play with any intensity like Pete Rose or George Brett did. But I did like the sport when Pete Rose, Willie Mays, Roberto Clemente, And Hank Aaron all played. Now that was "baseball" :cool:

With the exception of Pete Rose I think all of them are in the Hall of Fame including the great George Brett of the KC Royals when they were really a team

[Doc Dan]

I don't even like baseball

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I agree with OldHoosier >> because like I said earlier none of them play with any intensity like Pete Rose or George Brett did. But I did like the sport when Pete Rose, Willie Mays, Roberto Clemente, And Hank Aaron all played. Now that was "baseball" :cool:

With the exception of Pete Rose I think all of them are in the Hall of Fame including the great George Brett of the KC Royals when they were really a team

Haha. I was just joking with you. Not everyone likes every sport, me included.

The Royals are still good, but of late start off with a bang and fizzle around July or August.

The players you mentioned were some of my heroes growing up, along with Mickey Mantle.

[benben]

Definitely Pete Rose. And I’m so very happy that Edgar Martinez finally got in this past Sunday!!

Pete Rose for sure>> it's been long enough for wounds to heal and I'm more than sure Pete has learned his lesson and could still contribute to MLB in a big way. And breaking Ty Cobbs record with over 4000 base hits>> no one in modern baseball will ever get close to that IMO <>> I forgive PETE ROSE and everyone else should too at this point.
Also include the entire 1975 Cincinnati Reds team that won the world series that year. It's still about the best World Series I can remember.

The day-in day-out roster / lineup of the 1975 Reds is probably the best baseball team ever, including the 1927 Yankees Murderers Row team! I’m sure some baseball purists will disagree with me on this!

EDIT: I will add the 2017 Houston Astros has to be added to the list of best lineups in history in the modern era, as far as team payrolls go, ESPECIALLY compared to the Dodgers team and their payroll they beat that year! I didn’t look it up again, but I think Kershaw’s salary himself covered the entire starting lineup of the Astros that year, or maybe the entire roster?? It was something crazy like that!