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Re: Favorite movie fight scenes

Postby bearrowland » Sun Jul 07, 2019 6:44 am

I agree Jim. It's a shame, but his movies just slid into Oblivion. Even my wife used to like watching them.
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Re: Favorite movie fight scenes

Postby Doc Dan » Sun Jul 07, 2019 6:45 am

Seagull = Actor, not real martial artist.
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Re: Favorite movie fight scenes

Postby James Y » Sun Jul 07, 2019 8:44 am

bearrowland wrote: I agree Jim. It's a shame, but his movies just slid into Oblivion. Even my wife used to like watching them.
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The funny thing is, "Into Oblivion" actually sounds like the title of a Steven Seagal movie. It had a lot to do with Seagal himself and his attitude. Seagal's bad attitude (among other things) is legendary among many in Hollywood who have (and even among many who haven't) worked with him, to the point of being a cliche. He's also been caught in a number of lies, including saying he had been a good friend of Bruce Lee and actor James Coburn (Coburn had been a private student of Lee). When in fact, Seagal would have only been a kid at the time he claimed they were "friends." Or that he taught MMA legend Anderson Silva how to do the front kick. And the list continues...

In addition, a very well-known incident occurred on the set of Under Siege involved Seagal being choked out by veteran stuntman and authentic tough guy "Judo" Gene LeBell. By all accounts, Seagal had been bullying the stuntmen and going too hard on them, when LeBell stepped up and said he would choke Seagal out. Seagal told him he couldn't be choked out, so LeBell choked him out, which resulted in an embarrassment for Seagal. Seagal hadn't been aware that you do not mess with Gene LeBell, who is a legend in wrestling and Judo/martial arts circles.

You can find comments from some actors who have worked with him (and some who haven't) about him on YouTube. Also, you can check out a hilarious cartoon spoofing Seagal called The Steven Seagal Show on YouTube. The spoof is pretty much spot-on. I would have posted one of the episodes here, but I don't think the mods would like it. ;)
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Seagull = Actor, not real martial artist.
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I actually think it's the other way around. I've read that before Seagal even got into the movies, he was respected in Aikido circles for his skill. I've also spoken to a martial artist who had practiced a bit with Seagal at some seminar, and he said that Seagal had some legit skills. However, IMO, Aikido is limited in actual fighting applications, especially outside of a dojo against uncooperative opponents, just as Seagal's acting range is limited. He also relied on his size to bully people. And he wasn't a very skilled striker. And as mentioned above, Seagal has been caught in a number of lies.

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Re: Favorite movie fight scenes

Postby bearrowland » Sun Jul 07, 2019 9:02 am

I'd heard he was a piece of work to be around. I do respect Aikido. It looks like a good all around martial art for everyone. My wife watched his movies more for the Aikido than anything else.
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Re: Favorite movie fight scenes

Postby bearrowland » Sun Jul 07, 2019 9:04 am

This might have been posted already, but how about John Wick's house cleaning scene? I've seen the first and second movies, but not the third.
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Re: Favorite movie fight scenes

Postby James Y » Sun Jul 07, 2019 9:17 am

bearrowland wrote:
Sun Jul 07, 2019 9:02 am
I'd heard he was a piece of work to be around. I do respect Aikido. It looks like a good all around martial art for everyone. My wife watched his movies more for the Aikido than anything else.
I respect Aikido as well. It's just that, in my observation, it would be difficult to pull off in real life against a resisting or erratic person. Actually, the same could be said for a lot of the stuff in martial arts...depending on how it's trained, of course. And Aikido is a beautiful martial art, and would be a good physical/mental activity.

Not that any of that matters in movie fight scenes. Many times in the comments sections of movie fight scene videos on YouTube, people say stuff like, "That wouldn't work against MMA fighter Jon Jones," or similar dumb comments. It's a movie fight! Movies are designed to entertain, not to be cage fighting or self-defense tutorials.

As far as John Wick, I also haven't seen the third one yet. I think they're quite good, especially the first one. My favorite thing about part 1 was actually the Russian mob boss character.

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Re: Favorite movie fight scenes

Postby bearrowland » Sun Jul 07, 2019 12:58 pm

Me too Jim! I thought he played the role very well!
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Re: Favorite movie fight scenes

Postby James Y » Sun Jul 07, 2019 2:17 pm

She Shoots Straight (1990); starring Joyce Godenzi (the wife of Sammo Hung).

Joyce Godenzi vs Goons:

https://youtu.be/qHAiEb-1TX4

Final fight: Joyce Godenzi vs Agnes Aurelio:

https://youtu.be/Jtaq4qat-x0

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Re: Favorite movie fight scenes

Postby James Y » Mon Jul 08, 2019 2:33 pm

Twinkle, Twinkle, Lucky Stars (1985).

Judo dojo scene; Michelle Yeoh, with Richard Ng and Sammo Hung:

https://youtu.be/AfxVYdLGE2c

Final fight: Sammo Hung vs Richard Norton. The only clips of this scene that I could find on YouTube have been overdubbed into Russian(?):

https://youtu.be/-AluZ4e1J00

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Re: Favorite movie fight scenes

Postby James Y » Mon Jul 08, 2019 2:53 pm

Twinkle, Twinkle, Lucky Stars (1985)*

*Continued from previous post.

Final fight, Part 2: Sammo Hung vs Yasuaki Kurata (with Jackie Chan):

https://youtu.be/YoRyjVGnumY

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Re: Favorite movie fight scenes

Postby James Y » Tue Jul 09, 2019 10:44 am

13 Assassins (2010 remake of the 1963 film).

Next-to-final duel: Koji Yakusho vs Masachika Ichimura:

https://youtu.be/BaSoze4fhGA

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Re: Favorite movie fight scenes

Postby James Y » Tue Jul 09, 2019 3:16 pm

Bad Boys (1983); Sean Penn.

"Cola to the face" scene:

https://youtu.be/hPoxee46S4s

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Re: Favorite movie fight scenes

Postby James Y » Wed Jul 10, 2019 12:43 pm

Martial Club (1981); directed by Lau Kar-Leung.

Final fight: Gordon Liu vs Wang Lung-Wei.

For anyone not familiar with old-school kung fu movies, this fight scene is less of a life-and-death fight and more of a contest or exchange between a young up-and-coming expert in "southern-style kung fu", and a mature master of "northern" kung fly systems. Martial Club was one of the few martial arts films where nobody is killed. Stylized? Sure. "Realistic"? Of course not. But this scene demonstrates extremely complex and difficult choreography and cinematography that captures every little, subtle movement and nuance. And all without CGI. This level of detail and complex choreography is a lost art today.

Gordon Liu was a huge draw in numerous movies during Hong Kong cinema's golden era, and was internationally famous in the '70s and '80s; but to the average American moviegoer, he is most familiar for his roles in Quentin Tarantino's Kill Bill Volumes 1 & 2:

https://youtu.be/6k3U91Tnly0

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Re: Favorite movie fight scenes

Postby twinboysdad » Wed Jul 10, 2019 4:29 pm

Lethal Weapon Mel Gibson vs Gary Bussey, was choreographed by Relson Gracie before BJJ had hit mainstream and featured a failed arm bar attempt and a triangle choke

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=tcdLD17vA-E

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Re: Favorite movie fight scenes

Postby James Y » Wed Jul 10, 2019 5:48 pm

twinboysdad wrote:
Wed Jul 10, 2019 4:29 pm
Lethal Weapon Mel Gibson vs Gary Bussey, was choreographed by Relson Gracie before BJJ had hit mainstream and featured a failed arm bar attempt and a triangle choke

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=tcdLD17vA-E
Thanks! Had forgotten about that one.

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Re: Favorite movie fight scenes

Postby James Y » Wed Jul 10, 2019 5:53 pm

Billy Jack (1971), starring Tom Laughlin.

Town square fight.

For the majority of the fighting moves in this classic scene, Tom Laughlin was doubled by Hapkido master Bong Soo Han:

https://youtu.be/-IEblkFG2Uw

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Re: Favorite movie fight scenes

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and of course:
https://youtu.be/a3aFv8IQb4s

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This was one of my favorites among others choreographed for those 2 movies.

These 3 are pretty amazing as well.
https://youtu.be/8fT-l0YYLHI

https://youtu.be/UKStvs5pXEg

https://youtu.be/AlAVHzIZZvI
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Re: Favorite movie fight scenes

Postby SpyderEdgeForever » Wed Jul 10, 2019 7:40 pm

Here is a related question for those of you here who have experience with martial arts training programs: Would many of these choreographed fight scene-moves lead to serious and perhaps even deadly failures in real life if the characters were real people fighting it out and not even work at all, while others were performed by stand-in stunt people?

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Re: Favorite movie fight scenes

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Sat Jul 06, 2019 8:06 pm
Blood And Bone (2009), final fight; Michael Jai White vs Matt Mullins.

https://youtu.be/FXRb1-ld2sc

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I feel like Michael Jai White must have a terrible agent. The guy is a fantastic martial artist but never made it big. He was spawn in the 90s. He's done many films but always low budget.

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Re: Favorite movie fight scenes

Postby James Y » Thu Jul 11, 2019 8:50 am

VashHash wrote:
Thu Jul 11, 2019 5:50 am
James Y wrote:
Sat Jul 06, 2019 8:06 pm
Blood And Bone (2009), final fight; Michael Jai White vs Matt Mullins.

https://youtu.be/FXRb1-ld2sc

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I feel like Michael Jai White must have a terrible agent. The guy is a fantastic martial artist but never made it big. He was spawn in the 90s. He's done many films but always low budget.
I agree that he's an excellent martial artist, and he's also a pretty good actor, too. He has been in some big-budget movies since Spawn, but almost always in small roles. He had a tiny role in The Dark Knight. Most people are unaware that he had a small part in Kill Bill (I forgot whether it was vol. 1 or 2) that was cut out of the movie. It was a scene where Bill (David Carradine) kills his character with a sword. Having seen it, I'd say nobody missed much.

Michael Jai White has made some good movies and some pretty bad ones, too. But I wouldn't say he has a terrible agent. Even though he hasn't been starring in big-budget productions, he has had steady work, with a long resume in Hollywood and elsewhere over the years. For an actor, he's done extremely well for himself. Having studied screen acting myself, and having gone through some of the grind of auditions and agent showcases, as well as nearly having agent representation (I decided not to go with her agency), I know from observation and experience how hard it is just to get an agent, let alone get hired for anything. It's not only difficult, it's extremely difficult. Acting is probably the only career training where your chances of actually getting hired at all is not guaranteed and, in fact, the odds are always stacked against you coming in. Unless you're an A-list actor, you can literally be competing against dozens or even hundreds of other actors for one small part. To be able to actually make a living at all from it is an accomplishment in itself. I eventually gave it up, and I knew many, many other people who were far, FAR better at it than I was, some with pretty extensive stage and screen resumes, who also quit for the same reasons. So even though he's not necessarily become a household name, MJW is a success and has made a good living following his passion.

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