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James Y wrote:
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My favorite fight scene will always be Bruce Lee vs Kareem Abdul Jabbar in Game Of Death.

Hi, Josh1973. Thanks for sharing!

Have you seen the original, extended footage of the fights from Bruce Lee’s original concept of Game of Death? IIRC, they were mostly test shots, and not what Bruce had considered perfect. I think I posted original footage earlier in this thread, but I’m posting it below, too. And this version is several minutes longer than the version of the original footage I previously posted. It’s close to 40 minutes of footage, originally shot in Hong Kong in 1972, for Bruce’s original concept. It was never completed, because Bruce Lee had to stop in order to start filming Enter the Dragon. He had planned to resume filming Game of Death after Enter the Dragon was completed; obviously, that never came to pass.

Josh1973, you probably won’t care to read the rest of this, but I’m putting it up, anyway…

When the “official” version of Game of Death was released in 1979, it was a patchwork directed by Robert Clouse, consisting of filler scenes around the final fight footage (the only original Bruce Lee footage in that movie, which was three fight scenes). And those three fight scenes were shortened considerably from the original footage; these uncut fight scenes are MUCH longer. Had Bruce Lee lived, and had he directed and completed Game of Death, it would have been much different and WAY better. There were also more opponents and more levels he’d wanted; Bruce had asked his first American student, Taky Kimura, as well as Sammo Hung and Korean Hwang In-Shik to also appear as pagoda guardians.

In the original footage, Bruce Lee was accompanied by two allies, played by James Tien and Chieh Yuan (in the black Judo gi). These friends (or allies) basically served as whipping boys, to allow Bruce Lee’s opponents to show off their abilities and win before facing Bruce.

The music was added by someone later. Also, some of it was redubbed, especially closer towards the end. Kareem Abdul-Jabbar’s voice, in particular, was completely redubbed in this version. Bruce’s voice was also redubbed after the Kareem Abdul-Jabbar scene: the original version is in Cantonese language.

The opponents and their methods:
1). Dan Inosanto: Escrima/Kali, nunchaku, (and some Kenpo Karate at the very beginning).
2). Ji Han-Jae: Korean Hapkido.
3). Kareem Abdul-Jabbar: “Style of no style”; closest to Bruce Lee’s concept of Jeet Kung Do.

Note: Dan Inosanto had been a student of Bruce Lee (as was Kareem Abdul-Jabbar). But Dan Inosanto was also a highly experienced martial artist before he ever met Bruce, and he was the man who taught Bruce Lee the nunchaku.

(From 0:10): Chieh Yuan, James Tien & Bruce Lee vs Dan Inosanto;

(From 12:22): Chieh Yuan, James Tien & Bruce Lee vs Ji Han-Jae

(From 19:41): Kareem Abdul-Jabbar vs James Tien; (From 24:35): Bruce Lee vs Kareem Abdul-Jabbar:

https://youtu.be/3PPs0dKJ6rM

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Looks really cool
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york wrote:
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Looks really cool

Glad you enjoyed it, york.

Oh, and welcome to the forum!

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Either the Butcher of Blaviken scene from The Witcher (Netflix) or that one scene from Bad Boys for Life where Armando Aretas takes out about 4 gangsters over the space of 6 seconds with a 15-dollar karambit.
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Poor Richard wrote:
Sat Jul 03, 2021 8:15 pm
Either the Butcher of Blaviken scene from The Witcher (Netflix) or that one scene from Bad Boys for Life where Armando Aretas takes out about 4 gangsters over the space of 6 seconds with a 15-dollar karambit.

Thanks for posting, Richard.

And welcome to the forum!

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The Invincible Armour (1977, Taiwan). Director: Ng See-Yuen. Action directors: Yuen Wo-Ping & Hsu Hsia. Assistant action directors: Corey Yuen, Yuen Biao & Yuen Shun-Yi.

Full movie.

Starring: John Liu, Hwang Jang-Lee, Tino Wong, Lee Hoi-Sang, Philip Ko Fei, Tsai Fu-Kuei, Kwok San-Hing, Corey Yuen, Yuen Biao, Yuen Shun-Yi, Chieh Yuan, Chuan Yuan, Hsu Hsia.

I previously posted the opening training sequence and the final fight on page 8 of this thread, but decided to post the entire movie here. IMO, The invincible Armour was among the best of the independent kung fu films. Independent, meaning films made by smaller film companies other than Hong Kong’s mega-companies like the Shaw Brothers studio, and Golden Harvest.

I rate this movie in my top five favorite independent kung fu films, and not necessarily for the fight scenes, but for the storyline. The Invincible Armour was made in 1977, the era of peak quality in Taiwan-made kung fu films, before comedy kung fu films took over the following year, due to the popularity of Jackie Chan’s breakout films, Snake in the Eagles Shadow, and Drunken Master (1978). In 1976/77, many of the Taiwan-made films had intricate storylines, interesting main characters, intrigue, and even some suspense.

The title “The Invincible Armour” refers to the villain (played by Korean Hwang Jang-Lee) having skill in “Tie Bu Shan” (“Iron Cloth” or “Iron Shirt”), a type of internal and external conditioning that develops “near-invincibility,” as if the practitioner were wearing a suit of armor (but not literally). Except for one secret vulnerable spot, similar to Achilles’ heel. I’ve stated many times that, although such skills were highly exaggerated in the movies, I love the concept of a near-invincible villain, when it’s done right, like it was in this movie. The actual title in Mandarin is “Ying Zhao, Tie Bu Shan,” referring to the arch-villain’s two special skills: Eagle Claw kung fu and “Iron Cloth.”

I’m not highlighting any of the fight scenes in this post. This is a remastered version, in the original Mandarin language, with English subtitles. Although for some reason, part of it has the English dub. If you watch it on YouTube, depending on your device, you will get ads seemingly every 20 freakin’ seconds. :mad: I kid you not.

https://youtu.be/B5OybwQ0Pew

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Maybe NSFW depending where you work.

https://youtu.be/zZ7AWVKbPWY
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Danke wrote:
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Maybe NSFW depending where you work.

https://youtu.be/zZ7AWVKbPWY

Thanks for posting this, Danke! Legend is a very good movie. Tom Hardy was awesome in those dual roles! I also posted that scene on page 25 of this thread, but no matter! Nobody needs to scroll through the thread to post or otherwise participate here. :)

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James Y wrote:
Sat Jul 10, 2021 7:05 pm
Danke wrote:
Sat Jul 10, 2021 6:11 pm
Maybe NSFW depending where you work.

https://youtu.be/zZ7AWVKbPWY

Thanks for posting this, Danke! Legend is a very good movie. Tom Hardy was awesome in those dual roles! I also posted that scene on page 25 of this thread, but no matter! Nobody needs to scroll through the thread to post or otherwise participate here. :)

Jim
Looked for it and couldn't see it. But yeah pretty good/harsh.

Another good one only 2 of the 3 falls happen though.
https://youtu.be/tlUuNg6PEXA
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Danke wrote:
Sun Jul 11, 2021 12:44 pm
James Y wrote:
Sat Jul 10, 2021 7:05 pm
Danke wrote:
Sat Jul 10, 2021 6:11 pm
Maybe NSFW depending where you work.

https://youtu.be/zZ7AWVKbPWY

Thanks for posting this, Danke! Legend is a very good movie. Tom Hardy was awesome in those dual roles! I also posted that scene on page 25 of this thread, but no matter! Nobody needs to scroll through the thread to post or otherwise participate here. :)

Jim
Looked for it and couldn't see it. But yeah pretty good/harsh.

Another good one only 2 of the 3 falls happen though.
https://youtu.be/tlUuNg6PEXA

Once Upon a Time in Hollywood is a GREAT movie, IMO.

The one thing about it I didn’t like was Quentin Tarantino’s stated reason for having Bruce Lee portrayed the way he was (as a complete blowhard jerk). Tarantino stated, “Bruce Lee said that he could have beaten Muhammad Ali in a fight. I HEARD him say that.” Yes, QT actually said he HEARD Bruce Lee say it. Which is a lie. QT never “heard” Bruce Lee say anything of the sort.

First of all, QT is the same age as I am; he would have been 10 years old when Bruce Lee died. Bruce Lee would not have hung around shooting the breeze with some random little kid. Secondly, Bruce Lee never made that statement on film, nor in any recorded interview. That statement by Bruce Lee about Ali was quoted in a book (possibly the one his wife wrote). I read that statement decades ago. So QT never “heard” Bruce Lee say any such thing. What QT neglected to say is that Bruce Lee had been joking with the person he’d said it to, and right after had stated, “Look at these little hands. Do you really think I would beat Muhammad Ali?” Bruce Lee had clearly been making a joke. The Cliff Booth vs Bruce Lee scene doesn’t trigger me like it does some Bruce Lee fans, but QT’s stated reason for Bruce Lee’s arrogance is bogus. He took the first half of Bruce Lee’s joke as evidence of arrogance, and committed character assassination on Bruce Lee, who wasn’t even a ‘bad guy’ IRL.

IMO, the portrayal of the Manson Family members was pretty darned good. In particular, the portrayal of “Sadie”/Susan Atkins, during the final fight scene (my favorite scene of the movie). It’s the way we wished things had happened in real life. The Manson Family portrayals and the Spahn Ranch scenes in the movie are even more interesting if you’ve read the 1971 book “The Family” by Ed Sanders, which IMO, is still, by far, the best book ever written about the Manson Family. I’m pretty certain QT read it as part of his research for the movie.

Final fight scene: Cliff Booth (Brad Pitt) vs Manson Family members “Tex” Watson (Austin Butler), Susan “Sadie” Atkins (Mikey Madison), & Patricia Krenwinkel (Madison Beaty):

https://youtu.be/PCkF3kqRhTI

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James Y wrote:
Sun Jul 11, 2021 2:09 pm
Danke wrote:
Sun Jul 11, 2021 12:44 pm
James Y wrote:
Sat Jul 10, 2021 7:05 pm
Danke wrote:
Sat Jul 10, 2021 6:11 pm
Maybe NSFW depending where you work.

https://youtu.be/zZ7AWVKbPWY

Thanks for posting this, Danke! Legend is a very good movie. Tom Hardy was awesome in those dual roles! I also posted that scene on page 25 of this thread, but no matter! Nobody needs to scroll through the thread to post or otherwise participate here. :)

Jim
Looked for it and couldn't see it. But yeah pretty good/harsh.

Another good one only 2 of the 3 falls happen though.
https://youtu.be/tlUuNg6PEXA

Once Upon a Time in Hollywood is a GREAT movie, IMO.

The one thing about it I didn’t like was Quentin Tarantino’s stated reason for having Bruce Lee portrayed the way he was (as a complete blowhard jerk). Tarantino stated, “Bruce Lee said that he could have beaten Muhammad Ali in a fight. I HEARD him say that.” Yes, QT actually said he HEARD Bruce Lee say it. Which is a lie. QT never “heard” Bruce Lee say anything of the sort. First of all, QT is the same age as I am; he would have been 10 years old when Bruce Lee died. Bruce Lee would not have hung around shooting the breeze with some little kid. Secondly, Bruce Lee never made that statement on film, nor in any recorded interview. That statement by Bruce Lee about Ali was quoted in a book (possibly the one his wife wrote). I read that statement decades ago. So QT never “heard” Bruce Lee say any such thing. What QT neglected to say is that Bruce Lee had been joking with the person he was talking to, and right after had stated, “Look at these little hands. Do you really think I would beat Muhammad Ali?” Bruce Lee had clearly been making a joke. The Cliff Booth vs Bruce Lee scene doesn’t trigger me like it does some Bruce Lee fans, but QT’s stated reason for Bruce Lee’s arrogance is bogus. He took the first half of Bruce Lee’s joke as evidence of arrogance, and committed character assassination on Bruce Lee, who wasn’t even a ‘bad guy’ IRL.

IMO, the portrayal of the Manson Family members was pretty darned good. Especially during the final fight scene (my favorite scene of the movie). It’s the way we wished things had happened in real life. The Manson Family portrayals and the Spahn Ranch scenes in the movie are even more interesting if you’ve read the 1971 book “The Family” by Ed Sanders, which IMO, is still, by far, the best book ever written about the Manson Family. I’m pretty certain QT read it as part of his research for the movie.

Final fight scene: Cliff Booth (Brad Pitt) vs Manson Family members “Tex” Watson (Austin Butler), Susan “Sadie” Atkins (Mikey Madison), & Patricia Krenwinkel (Madison Beaty):

https://youtu.be/PCkF3kqRhTI

Jim
Definitely there were a few good punch ups it that flick. It's hard to rate Tarantino's behind the scenes as it were portrayal of Bruce Lee. Guys like that can come across wrong. You can't reach that level without self confidence which can appear to be arrogance and is hard to put aside. For every very humble athlete there's another one with outsized ego rubbing people the wrong way.

I have a couple others in mind but now I have to read the whole thread. Bummed that some of the video links are blank now but I'm on YouTube also so I can see the ones that are just age restricted.
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Yeah, I have no doubts that Bruce Lee probably rubbed a lot of people the wrong way. I believe that back in the 1960s, his confidence sometimes came across as arrogance, and maybe he was arrogant. He most likely was; many martial arts people are. He was also young, and Chinese (technically, with a quarter German from his mom’s side). Many Chinese people, but especially non-Asians in the US back then, were probably taken aback and were not accustomed to seeing an Asian man openly exude so much self-confidence and assertiveness to the point of cockiness. Keep in mind, many non-Asians back then (and even now), were used to seeing Chinese men (and Asians in general) being portrayed as subservient. This could also have colored their views of Bruce Lee, possibly even amplifying his level of hubris in their minds.

My Choy Lee Fut kung fu teacher actually saw Bruce Lee demonstrating in person at the Ed Parker International Karate Championships in Long Beach in 1964, and he said that Bruce Lee was extremely fast, and was also very cocky. But he wasn’t the twerp (or the cartoon character) that QT made him out to be.

I recall a story by Bruce Lee’s first American student, Taky Kimura, a Japanese-American whose self-esteem had been at an all-time low ever since being incarcerated in one of the Japanese-American internment camps during WW2. Kimura stated that it was Bruce Lee who told him that nobody was better nor worse than he was, and to hold his head high and be proud of himself. That was the beginning of Taky Kimura gaining his self-esteem. It takes a LOT more than some complete jerk to inspire self-esteem in someone who doesn’t have any.

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James Y wrote:
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Yeah, I have no doubts that Bruce Lee probably rubbed a lot of people the wrong way. I believe that back in the 1960s, his confidence sometimes came across as arrogance, and maybe he was arrogant. He most likely was; many martial arts people are. He was also young, and Chinese (technically, with a quarter German from his mom’s side). Many Chinese people, but especially non-Asians in the US back then, were probably taken aback and were not accustomed to seeing an Asian man openly exude so much self-confidence and assertiveness to the point of cockiness. Keep in mind, many non-Asians back then (and even now), were used to seeing Chinese men (and Asians in general) being portrayed as subservient. This could also have colored their views of Bruce Lee, possibly even amplifying his level of hubris in their minds.

My Choy Lee Fut kung fu teacher actually saw Bruce Lee demonstrating in person at the Ed Parker International Karate Championships in Long Beach in 1964, and he said that Bruce Lee was extremely fast, and was also very cocky. But he wasn’t the twerp (or the cartoon character) that QT made him out to be.

I recall a story by Bruce Lee’s first American student, Taky Kimura, a Japanese-American whose self-esteem had been at an all-time low ever since being incarcerated in one of the Japanese-American internment camps during WW2. Kimura stated that it was Bruce Lee who told him that nobody was better nor worse than he was, and to hold his head high and be proud of himself. That was the beginning of Taky Kimura gaining his self-esteem. It takes a LOT more than some complete jerk to inspire self-esteem in someone who doesn’t have any.

Jim
Rewatch the scene and picture Cliff Booth as the bully/bad guy it gives a different spin.
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Ok so I read through the whole thread. There's a couple film festivals worth of good movies in here. I pulled up some of my favorites that I don't see in here. It seems like that I don't like a clean fight or a fair fight but I don't mind a funny one.
Start with Jackie Chan 30 seconds in with the out takes from Rumble in the Bronx. Breaks his foot but covers up the cast with a fake runner/sock to finish shooting.
https://youtu.be/TSh0Nm9eVlg
Saw one History of Violence clip but didn't see these.
https://youtu.be/hJyQ8TvwvEI
https://youtu.be/rhIEAiDyM20
More Cronenburg
https://youtu.be/HCUAkSe4es8
The Coen brothers.
https://youtu.be/VE5Sxk-3IQM
Gunfight. Benchmark in building cinematic tension
https://youtu.be/IBJbqV3IROM
And of course, wrapping things up with some humor.
https://youtu.be/s35rVw1zskA

Needless to say all fairly harsh but hilarious that the Python scene is the only one you have to log it to see re graphic violence
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The Game of Death fight scene was great. A little corny, and no doubt that is why Bruce Lee remade all of it.

I had only seen still images up until now.

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Im sure theyre on here but probably my favorite martial arts movie of all time is Jet Lis Hero.

That movie is just a work of art. A lot like Crouching Tiger Hidden Dragon but I like the story and fight scenes much more.

If you havent seen it, its amazing.

The fight between Jet Li and Donnie Yen is very good. (Although literally any fight scene with Donnie Yen from any movie is always good.)

Its a must watch as far as martial arts movies go. Do yourself a favor and watch it if you havent.
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Danke wrote:
Sun Jul 11, 2021 5:56 pm
James Y wrote:
Sun Jul 11, 2021 2:29 pm
Yeah, I have no doubts that Bruce Lee probably rubbed a lot of people the wrong way. I believe that back in the 1960s, his confidence sometimes came across as arrogance, and maybe he was arrogant. He most likely was; many martial arts people are. He was also young, and Chinese (technically, with a quarter German from his mom’s side). Many Chinese people, but especially non-Asians in the US back then, were probably taken aback and were not accustomed to seeing an Asian man openly exude so much self-confidence and assertiveness to the point of cockiness. Keep in mind, many non-Asians back then (and even now), were used to seeing Chinese men (and Asians in general) being portrayed as subservient. This could also have colored their views of Bruce Lee, possibly even amplifying his level of hubris in their minds.

My Choy Lee Fut kung fu teacher actually saw Bruce Lee demonstrating in person at the Ed Parker International Karate Championships in Long Beach in 1964, and he said that Bruce Lee was extremely fast, and was also very cocky. But he wasn’t the twerp (or the cartoon character) that QT made him out to be.

I recall a story by Bruce Lee’s first American student, Taky Kimura, a Japanese-American whose self-esteem had been at an all-time low ever since being incarcerated in one of the Japanese-American internment camps during WW2. Kimura stated that it was Bruce Lee who told him that nobody was better nor worse than he was, and to hold his head high and be proud of himself. That was the beginning of Taky Kimura gaining his self-esteem. It takes a LOT more than some complete jerk to inspire self-esteem in someone who doesn’t have any.

Jim
Rewatch the scene and picture Cliff Booth as the bully/bad guy it gives a different spin.

I actually like the Cliff Booth character. Although I don’t care for the Bruce Lee scene (because of how BL is portrayed in it), I can’t really fault the Cliff Booth character himself. Reportedly, even Brad Pitt had questioned the way the scene was scripted to play out. According to Brad, he had said to QT, “Come on, man! That’s Bruce Lee!”

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Naperville wrote:
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The Game of Death fight scene was great. A little corny, and no doubt that is why Bruce Lee remade all of it.

I had only seen still images up until now.

Thank you!

You’re welcome!

Actually, Bruce Lee never got the opportunity to remake the scenes. This original footage was all he was able to shoot in 1972, just before his last film, Enter the Dragon, was scheduled to begin shooting. IIRC, they were still rough shots, and Bruce Lee had been planning to film more fights for Game of Death after Enter the Dragon had wrapped. He also might have wanted to reshoot these scenes, which would have required him to get Dan Inosanto and Kareem Abdul-Jabbar to fly back to Hong Kong. In the very least, he had also contacted others to be opponents (Sammo Hung and Hwang In-Shik were two of them).

After Enter the Dragon had wrapped in 1973, Bruce had phoned his first American student, Taky Kimura, to appear as another one of his opponents in the pagoda in Game of Death. Being extremely shy and modest, Kimura had at first refused, fearing that he wouldn’t look good onscreen and would “ruin Bruce Lee’s movie.” After he thought about it awhile, Kimura changed his mind and decided he would accept Bruce’s request. Sadly, before Kimura could call Bruce back, he was notified that Bruce Lee had died.

The official Game of Death movie that was released internationally was a patchwork film. Hong Kong’s Golden Harvest Studio had the raw experimental fight footage in their vaults, and decided to have a movie made around it. In 1978, five years after Bruce’s death, Golden Harvest got American director Robert Clouse (who had directed Enter the Dragon) to direct Game of Death. They built a completely different storyline than Bruce had intended around the footage of the three fights Bruce had filmed, and those fights were shortened considerably. They used scenes from Bruce Lee’s previous films, and also used two different Bruce Lee “lookalikes” to fill in the rest of the movie’s Bruce Lee scenes. The result was less than stellar, to say the least. Had Bruce Lee lived and completed Game of Death, it would have been a completely different (and far better) movie. Game of Death would have been Bruce Lee’s second fully self-directed movie; his first was Way of the Dragon (my personal favorite Bruce Lee movie).

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James Y wrote:
Tue Jul 13, 2021 8:59 am
Danke wrote:
Sun Jul 11, 2021 5:56 pm
James Y wrote:
Sun Jul 11, 2021 2:29 pm
Yeah, I have no doubts that Bruce Lee probably rubbed a lot of people the wrong way. I believe that back in the 1960s, his confidence sometimes came across as arrogance, and maybe he was arrogant. He most likely was; many martial arts people are. He was also young, and Chinese (technically, with a quarter German from his mom’s side). Many Chinese people, but especially non-Asians in the US back then, were probably taken aback and were not accustomed to seeing an Asian man openly exude so much self-confidence and assertiveness to the point of cockiness. Keep in mind, many non-Asians back then (and even now), were used to seeing Chinese men (and Asians in general) being portrayed as subservient. This could also have colored their views of Bruce Lee, possibly even amplifying his level of hubris in their minds.

My Choy Lee Fut kung fu teacher actually saw Bruce Lee demonstrating in person at the Ed Parker International Karate Championships in Long Beach in 1964, and he said that Bruce Lee was extremely fast, and was also very cocky. But he wasn’t the twerp (or the cartoon character) that QT made him out to be.

I recall a story by Bruce Lee’s first American student, Taky Kimura, a Japanese-American whose self-esteem had been at an all-time low ever since being incarcerated in one of the Japanese-American internment camps during WW2. Kimura stated that it was Bruce Lee who told him that nobody was better nor worse than he was, and to hold his head high and be proud of himself. That was the beginning of Taky Kimura gaining his self-esteem. It takes a LOT more than some complete jerk to inspire self-esteem in someone who doesn’t have any.

Jim
Rewatch the scene and picture Cliff Booth as the bully/bad guy it gives a different spin.

I actually like the Cliff Booth character. Although I don’t care for the Bruce Lee scene (because of how BL is portrayed in it), I can’t really fault the Cliff Booth character himself. Reportedly, even Brad Pitt had questioned the way the scene was scripted to play out. According to Brad, he had said to QT, “Come on, man! That’s Bruce Lee!”

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VooDooChild wrote:
Sun Jul 11, 2021 10:15 pm
Im sure theyre on here but probably my favorite martial arts movie of all time is Jet Lis Hero.

That movie is just a work of art. A lot like Crouching Tiger Hidden Dragon but I like the story and fight scenes much more.

If you havent seen it, its amazing.

The fight between Jet Li and Donnie Yen is very good. (Although literally any fight scene with Donnie Yen from any movie is always good.)

Its a must watch as far as martial arts movies go. Do yourself a favor and watch it if you havent.

Hi, and thank you for sharing!

Yes, Jet Li’s Hero is a very beautiful movie.

If you liked the fight scene between Jet Li and Donnie Yen in Hero, check out Once Upon a Time in China 2, if you haven’t seen it already. Donnie Yen played the arch-villain, and the fight between Jet Li and Donnie Yen is epic. I posted that fight somewhere in this thread, but I’m not sure if that video was removed from YouTube or not.

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Danke wrote:
Tue Jul 13, 2021 9:29 am
James Y wrote:
Tue Jul 13, 2021 8:59 am
Danke wrote:
Sun Jul 11, 2021 5:56 pm
James Y wrote:
Sun Jul 11, 2021 2:29 pm
Yeah, I have no doubts that Bruce Lee probably rubbed a lot of people the wrong way. I believe that back in the 1960s, his confidence sometimes came across as arrogance, and maybe he was arrogant. He most likely was; many martial arts people are. He was also young, and Chinese (technically, with a quarter German from his mom’s side). Many Chinese people, but especially non-Asians in the US back then, were probably taken aback and were not accustomed to seeing an Asian man openly exude so much self-confidence and assertiveness to the point of cockiness. Keep in mind, many non-Asians back then (and even now), were used to seeing Chinese men (and Asians in general) being portrayed as subservient. This could also have colored their views of Bruce Lee, possibly even amplifying his level of hubris in their minds.

My Choy Lee Fut kung fu teacher actually saw Bruce Lee demonstrating in person at the Ed Parker International Karate Championships in Long Beach in 1964, and he said that Bruce Lee was extremely fast, and was also very cocky. But he wasn’t the twerp (or the cartoon character) that QT made him out to be.

I recall a story by Bruce Lee’s first American student, Taky Kimura, a Japanese-American whose self-esteem had been at an all-time low ever since being incarcerated in one of the Japanese-American internment camps during WW2. Kimura stated that it was Bruce Lee who told him that nobody was better nor worse than he was, and to hold his head high and be proud of himself. That was the beginning of Taky Kimura gaining his self-esteem. It takes a LOT more than some complete jerk to inspire self-esteem in someone who doesn’t have any.

Jim
Rewatch the scene and picture Cliff Booth as the bully/bad guy it gives a different spin.

I actually like the Cliff Booth character. Although I don’t care for the Bruce Lee scene (because of how BL is portrayed in it), I can’t really fault the Cliff Booth character himself. Reportedly, even Brad Pitt had questioned the way the scene was scripted to play out. According to Brad, he had said to QT, “Come on, man! That’s Bruce Lee!”

Jim
Never meet your heroes (or play opposite characters depicting them).

I generally agree.

Although in real life, I did meet one of my heroes (Bill “Superfoot” Wallace), and even got to spar with him during a week-long kickboxing training camp that he taught back in 1982. He’s taught countless seminars over the decades, so he wouldn’t remember it, but I do, and I had a very positive experience with him.

In Taiwan, I also met several of the old-school kung fu movie actors I had seen in films over the years, and never had any negative experiences with them, either.

But in general, I agree about meeting one’s heroes. Although I wish I had met Bruce Lee. I would have loved to have sparred with Bruce Lee, just for the experience, even if it meant getting my butt kicked, probably fairly easily. Which I’m sure would have been the result, even if he would have been in his 40s by the time I reached my early 20s (Bruce Lee died at the age of 32).

Jim
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