As a pen & ink draughtsman, I spent many a happy hour with these! Especially the 0.3 - hideous to write with but essential for drawing on film.Woodpuppy wrote: ↑Mon Jun 24, 2019 5:17 amBest “tactical pencil” out there, the Pentel drafting pencils! I have 0.5, 0.7, and 0.9. Love the fat one.
https://www.pentel.com/collections/penc ... 5189029935
The 0.18 was a favourite, but the hours I must have spent unclogging the flippin’ 0.13....
Do you have a link to the "pen" or whatever it is.JD Spydo wrote: ↑Mon Jul 01, 2019 10:49 amThere is a martial arts company known as US Tactical that has what looks exactly like a ball point pen but an Ice pick type spike comes out of the end of it. I"m seriously thinking about getting one of them. Heck that would fool even most police. Not sure of the legality of it but if it comes to someone jumping me and/or killing me I will take my chance on a jury trial.
I've seen other tactical type weapons disguised as ink pens in the past. But that one by US Tactical looks like a really nice piece.
They make one with actual finger grooves and a mini with o rings but no grooves. It works really well for writing. I can grip it pretty well for other uses too. Like breaking ice and stuff. You can always cap it with your thumb too. Sure it'll click the pen out but does that really matter in an emergency situation? They offer replacements for the mechanism if it breaks.
I don't believe the baliyo was meant for anything but as a toy. For serious situations you, imo, should look for pens that CAN double as a self defense tool or a self defense tool that can realistically pass as a pen. Tuff writer or similar can pass as a pen and zebra pens can pass as a self defense tool. Choose wisely. I'm currently using a nextool tactical pen and I've not gotten one odd look when i use it and it's about $25. I don't doubt that it can and will do what it's supposed to in a self defense situation though there are some flaws. I can't blame spyderco for not wanting to get into this market. There are a lot of people that have no idea what they really want, let alone need. Mike Janich would be a great resource in this but he's already fully behind tuff-writer leaving spyderco no room to move. Even if spyderco did move into this territory they'd be way outmatched and outnumbered in several ways.SpyderEdgeForever wrote: ↑Fri Jun 21, 2019 7:44 pmSometime ago there was a discussion on the forum about tactical pens. There are many such pens available, in assorted price ranges, and quality levels, made by different companies, everyone from Smith and Wesson, to Maxam, and Benchmade.
However, some commenters have said that there are several drawbacks to these specific Tactical Pens:
1 Many of them are very thick and unwieldly for writing.
2 Many of them are very "armored looking" and would not pass the "legality" test if carried and actually used for self defense/protection.
It has been suggested that a person purchase and carry a "normal but strongly built pen" such as this:
https://www.zebrapen.com/product/f-301- ... tractable/
The Zebra Pen like others is made of stainless steel, the barrel is stainless steel, and it is very durable. There are other models and companies, too. Something can be "tactical" without being tactical. If the self-defender knows what they are doing, it is said these durable metal pens can be as effective as the specific "tactical pens" if not more so.
Is this true and are there any drawbacks or downsides to using and carrying one of these durable "normal pens"?
Next: Is the Spyderco Baliyo a tactical pen? Could it stand up to such use if needed?
Excellent mod thanks, I'm going to try this.Evil D wrote: ↑Sat Jun 22, 2019 8:09 pmremnar wrote: ↑Sat Jun 22, 2019 7:58 pmEvil D,
Do you have one of the new F-701's? I've done the 701-402 hack on previous models but the new 701's do not have the plastic piece at the top. They claim to be all metal "from tip to clip". I bought one today and it was under $6, which I think is a bargain. The only thing I don't like is that I can only find them with black ink and my job requires that I use blue ink. I usually swap the ink cartridges for Zebra fine tip blue cartridges that seem to work well. Do you think the Fisher Cartridges are worth the extra money?
BTW, I'd recommend the F-701 to anyone that wants a pen that writes great and carries easily, and could be used for self defense if you absolutely needed to do so.
I would not recommend a Bali-Yo for self defense because they are not built strong enough to withstand that kind of punishment.
I have the new "all metal" version but it's BS, it all screws together into a plastic tube underneath a stainless tube on the outside of the body. I like the Fisher cartridges because I write in all climates so rain/snow/heat/cold and sometimes on random surfaces other than paper. It does take some mods to get the cartridge to work though.
I did a little write up here. If you aren't familiar with doing the mod you may need to read up on it, I didn't go into great detail about the basics, only about some of the issues I've had and how I corrected them.
https://www.edcforums.com/threads/i-fin ... bo.140179/