Off-Topic vs. *Off-Topic*

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Off-Topic vs. *Off-Topic*

Postby TazKristi » Wed Mar 20, 2019 11:49 am

Hey, everyone:
Recently I've seen several threads in Off-Topic that have made me do a double-take. We try to give you a considerable amount of latitude in the Off-Topic section and we try to keep our rules as simple as possible. Our community is filled with people from all around the world. We have people from many different cultures and generations. We have men, boys, women, and girls. Not surprisingly, we all have many different beliefs, priorities, interests, and levels of knowledge about various topics. We often don't know the particulars of a member when we start a discussion or jump into one. Are they 19 or 42? Are they in the U.S. or somewhere across the pond? We don't know what we don't know.

The two things that we all have in common is a passion for knives and interest in (or passion for) Spyderco. I believe the Off-Topic area is one that actually plays a large part in strengthing our community. It's a place where topics are explored (hopefully) without judgment, with an open mind, and often with a healthy sense of humor. Some topics are more serious and it's the strength of our community that keeps those discussions on-point, respectful and allows members to share and gain knowledge. Off-Topic often allows members to share a little more of their personality.

I see great value in the discussions that take place in the Off-Topic section. Not because of the specific topics discussed but rather because of the comradery between members. Sure, we support each other in our quest for the elusive grail or our passion for a new model in General Discussion but Off-Topic... that's where we celebrate birthdays, share the birth of a child, the loss of a loved one, frustration from work, or even just seek out trusted opinions over products that aren't related to Spyderco. It's also where we dream; it's the "What if..." that fascinates so many of us (What if cars could fly? Superman vs. Batman? Transparent aluminum and other sci-fi realities.)

What are two things that we do not discuss in Off-Topic (or elsewhere on this forum)? Politics and religion. We purposefully didn't get granular in our description of these two topics. They're kind of umbrellas of sorts.

If you are about to post something that must be prefaced with something along the lines of "let's steer clear of"... you are probably about to post something that could spiral under one of the aforementioned umbrella topics. Maybe, don't post it.

If you are about to post something that "paints" an entire or large group of people with a "broad brush"... maybe, don't post it. Odds are there is someone from that group of people on our forum who probably doesn't fit the generalization.

If you are about to post something that is typically considered polarizing elsewhere but it isn't specifically against our simple rules here... maybe, don't post it. If it's polarizing outside of this space, I can guarantee it will be polarizing here too. I can add more rules but I'd really rather not.

I would like to ask that we all remember what brings us here and what keeps us coming back. I would ask that we bear in mind the breadth and depth of our community and that we make respect for others a priority. The thoughtfulness of our community is one of the (best) things that sets our forum apart from so many others. I'm not saying that we won't disagree with each other. It's our ability to be thoughtful in disagreements that help make this place special. The world is full of divisive thoughts and words and there are plenty of places on the internet to share them. Let's not add our space here to that all-too-long list of ordinary and average.

Thanks for reading. Thanks for contributing. Most of all, thanks for being you. Each of you, differences and all, are valued here.

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Re: Off-Topic vs. *Off-Topic*

Postby wrdwrght » Wed Mar 20, 2019 12:04 pm

Sticky. Please!
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Re: Off-Topic vs. *Off-Topic*

Postby TazKristi » Wed Mar 20, 2019 12:10 pm

wrdwrght wrote:
Wed Mar 20, 2019 12:04 pm
Sticky. Please!
It's already stuck. ;) I plan on leaving it up top for a bit.

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Re: Off-Topic vs. *Off-Topic*

Postby wrdwrght » Wed Mar 20, 2019 12:27 pm

TazKristi wrote:
Wed Mar 20, 2019 12:10 pm
wrdwrght wrote:
Wed Mar 20, 2019 12:04 pm
Sticky. Please!
It's already stuck. ;) I plan on leaving it up top for a bit.

Kristi
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Re: Off-Topic vs. *Off-Topic*

Postby Water Bug » Wed Mar 20, 2019 4:12 pm

Thank you, Kristi, for all you do!
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Re: Off-Topic vs. *Off-Topic*

Postby curlyhairedboy » Wed Mar 20, 2019 7:32 pm

Thank you!
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Re: Off-Topic vs. *Off-Topic*

Postby anagarika » Thu Mar 21, 2019 3:02 am

Thank you Kristi!

Just want to share my thoughts that it is difficult to segregate the politics and religion / beliefs from some of the topics such as health (beliefs) and tax treaty or trade war (politics).

I did refrain from commenting on several health discussions as it is unavoidable not to go into beliefs.
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Postby Doc Dan » Thu Mar 21, 2019 6:14 am

Noted, Thanks Kristi.
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Re: Off-Topic vs. *Off-Topic*

Postby ChrisinHove » Thu Mar 21, 2019 8:42 am

Thanks, Kristi.

What I really like about some of the threads on this forum is that they challenge my preconceptions and open my mind to opinions that, frankly, get little airtime where I am.

Also, If I can be open to understanding between myself and people 000’s of miles away, maybe this can happen between myself and people much closer to me, (although in fairness that is a fair bit tougher, sometimes....)

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Re: Off-Topic vs. *Off-Topic*

Postby kbuzbee » Sat Mar 23, 2019 7:16 am

TazKristi wrote:
Wed Mar 20, 2019 11:49 am
Are they 19 or 42?
Are you implying 42 is old, Kristi? (cough, cough) 😄

Hmmmmm?

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Re: Off-Topic vs. *Off-Topic*

Postby TazKristi » Mon Mar 25, 2019 10:45 am

kbuzbee wrote:
Sat Mar 23, 2019 7:16 am
TazKristi wrote:
Wed Mar 20, 2019 11:49 am
Are they 19 or 42?
Are you implying 42 is old, Kristi? (cough, cough) 😄

Hmmmmm?

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Postby DirtMcGirt » Mon Mar 25, 2019 2:12 pm

Will do! Thank you Kristi and Spyderco for all you do to keep having a place like this for us all!
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Re: Off-Topic vs. *Off-Topic*

Postby awa54 » Tue Mar 26, 2019 12:24 am

TazKristi wrote:
Wed Mar 20, 2019 11:49 am

...

If you are about to post something that must be prefaced with something along the lines of "let's steer clear of"... you are probably about to post something that could spiral under one of the aforementioned umbrella topics. Maybe, don't post it.

If you are about to post something that "paints" an entire or large group of people with a "broad brush"... maybe, don't post it. Odds are there is someone from that group of people on our forum who probably doesn't fit the generalization.

If you are about to post something that is typically considered polarizing elsewhere but it isn't specifically against our simple rules here... maybe, don't post it. If it's polarizing outside of this space, I can guarantee it will be polarizing here too. I can add more rules but I'd really rather not.

...

Thanks for reading. Thanks for contributing. Most of all, thanks for being you. Each of you, differences and all, are valued here.

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Re: Off-Topic vs. *Off-Topic*

Postby SpyderEdgeForever » Wed Apr 03, 2019 10:17 pm

Kristi, I have a question about this: Can we make statements that help people have a greater understanding about various steel and knives made in various countries, and by various people, but as long as we are striving to be respectful and not disparage groups of people, that is acceptable?

As an example: Can we make comments and statements about steel made in China and how, for example, one believes the Chinese have great potential to make quality steel, as those of us on the forum know, if there is a market for it? That kind of a discussion is okay?

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Re: Off-Topic vs. *Off-Topic*

Postby TazKristi » Fri Apr 05, 2019 12:12 pm

SpyderEdgeForever wrote:
Wed Apr 03, 2019 10:17 pm
Kristi, I have a question about this: Can we make statements that help people have a greater understanding about various steel and knives made in various countries, and by various people, but as long as we are striving to be respectful and not disparage groups of people, that is acceptable?

As an example: Can we make comments and statements about steel made in China and how, for example, one believes the Chinese have great potential to make quality steel, as those of us on the forum know, if there is a market for it? That kind of a discussion is okay?
Hi, SEF:
Yes, that is perfectly OK. ;)

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Re: Off-Topic vs. *Off-Topic*

Postby SpyderEdgeForever » Fri Apr 05, 2019 3:51 pm

TazKristi wrote:
Fri Apr 05, 2019 12:12 pm
SpyderEdgeForever wrote:
Wed Apr 03, 2019 10:17 pm
Kristi, I have a question about this: Can we make statements that help people have a greater understanding about various steel and knives made in various countries, and by various people, but as long as we are striving to be respectful and not disparage groups of people, that is acceptable?

As an example: Can we make comments and statements about steel made in China and how, for example, one believes the Chinese have great potential to make quality steel, as those of us on the forum know, if there is a market for it? That kind of a discussion is okay?
Hi, SEF:
Yes, that is perfectly OK. ;)

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Re: Off-Topic vs. *Off-Topic*

Postby Naperville » Tue Apr 30, 2019 5:25 pm

? Just asking....

Which post in "FIREARM LAWS: So Few Know How We Got Here" was out of bounds. Everyone is posting about firearms.

NOTE: I do not own any firearms, and corruption of the 2nd Amendment effects knife and firearm collectors.
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Re: Off-Topic vs. *Off-Topic*

Postby The Deacon » Thu May 02, 2019 6:51 am

Naperville wrote:
Tue Apr 30, 2019 5:25 pm
? Just asking....

Which post in "FIREARM LAWS: So Few Know How We Got Here" was out of bounds. Everyone is posting about firearms.

NOTE: I do not own any firearms, and corruption of the 2nd Amendment effects knife and firearm collectors.

You are not alone in wondering that. IMHO, it that thread was "politcal", then all of the Knife Rights threads are political.
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Re: Off-Topic vs. *Off-Topic*

Postby Doc Dan » Thu May 02, 2019 7:03 am

I did not read the thread that I recall. However, if Kristi says something is off limits then we have to abide by that. Sometimes we can all accidentally cross the line. Also, some people will not stay true to the original intent of the thread. That happens. So, we just need to move on, I think.
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Re: Off-Topic vs. *Off-Topic*

Postby Naperville » Thu May 02, 2019 3:50 pm

The Deacon wrote:
Thu May 02, 2019 6:51 am
Naperville wrote:
Tue Apr 30, 2019 5:25 pm
? Just asking....

Which post in "FIREARM LAWS: So Few Know How We Got Here" was out of bounds. Everyone is posting about firearms.

NOTE: I do not own any firearms, and corruption of the 2nd Amendment effects knife and firearm collectors.
You are not alone in wondering that. IMHO, it that thread was "politcal", then all of the Knife Rights threads are political.
100%, and please let's keep these discussions going. These are very serious issues for everyone globally. Laws passed in one country are often considered good examples to pass on to others in a second country.

As I said, I don't own any firearms, however I do own 85 knives and I carry those deemed legal in my state. It behooves everyone to read "Unintended Consequences" because of laws that erode our rights.

In the USA, the 2nd Amendment according to "DC vs Heller" are 2nd Amendment militia arms, and that includes 100% of Spyderco's knives. 100%! In the UK, they are considering confiscating kitchen knives, and you need an ID to buy one. We do not want that happening in the USA.
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