I've also heard that "Moutain House" is good, high quality food that will last long. I've also heard a couple of survival shows advertise a vendor who is called "The Freezed Dried Guy" and I see their stuff on several websites. Never tried either one of them but have heard good about both of them from people I trust.
Yeah Mountain House has had a good reputation for over 10 years now and it's usually sold by vendors I trust. Like I said before "The Freeze Dried Guy" also has a good reputation and I've talked to at least 3 people who have tried his stuff as well. Also I've heard that they now have equipment for doing your own "Freeze Drying" that also work very well. Never have done that yet but it is something I've been meaning to look into.
Yeah BLOKE I still think that one of those EMUs would make for a really tasty Thanksgiving dinner Maybe we could get together with your musical cousin Angus Young of ACDC and I bet him and the other members of the band would help us eat that big bird. Also I bet we could make lady's hats out of those feathers Yeah and hear some really good, foot tapping music while we're eating
SpyderEdgeForever wrote: ↑Sat Dec 08, 2018 8:12 pmdemoncase, does this mean a person could get, say, a few massive tubs of peanut butter and and honey, as a supplement to other foods, and you can keep those at room temperature on a shelf, and they will not go bad? Will the peanut butter go rancid, though?
ThePeacent wrote: ↑Sun Dec 09, 2018 12:14 pmSpyderEdgeForever wrote: ↑Sat Dec 08, 2018 8:12 pmdemoncase, does this mean a person could get, say, a few massive tubs of peanut butter and and honey, as a supplement to other foods, and you can keep those at room temperature on a shelf, and they will not go bad? Will the peanut butter go rancid, though?
if it has sugar and/or salt in it, the shelf life will be much longer.
The peanut fatty acids will eventually go rancid, but having the PB in a dark, opaque container, vacuum sealed, away from heat sources and avoiding temperature shifts (cooling on Winter, heating up on Summer), will make it edible for 5 to 10 years
Fats go rancid, grains+fats (crackers, cookies, granola, muesli, buns, pastries) will go bad too, becoming rancid and losing texture, flavor and color quickly. 1 year tops. Nuts and seeds (high fat, little carbs) are next, 2 years at most.
Fats alone (oils, butters, ghee, chocolate) can last 3 to 5 years in good shape if preserved correctly, away from light, heat and odors.
Carbs alone coming from grains will last 2-8 years at most (in their grain from, rice, wheat, bulgur, amaranth, corn...) before becoming unusable, or catching bugs, microbes and fungi in the typical household. SOme are much more perishable than others. Their flours, if well stored, are usable and edible for decades.
Same goes for dried legumes and beans, retaining their nutritional content for up to 10-20 years if well stored, also depends on the beans (some are much more sensitive)
Canned beans (Cooked) and canned veggies, must be kept away from light and heat, and doing so will extend their shelf life up to 6 to 8 years at most (depending on the preservative used, liquid they're stored in, the vegetable or greens in question and container, metallic, glass, plastic, etc.)
They are essential for long term survival due to their vitamins and minerals (mostly Potassium and Calcium, B Vitamins, Vit.C, Vit.K and plant based micronutrients polyphenols, sterols, etc.) but pack little calories for the weight, especially if preserved in water or liquid.
Canned fish and seafood will last 5 to 8 years at most, has essential fatty acids (Omega 3 and 6), high protein content, sodium (Basic electrolyte like Potassium), Magnesium, Calcium, and pack lots of calories for the size and weight especially if preserved in oil, which can be ingested or used for cooking in survival.
Same applies to meat, Spam, canned meats and organ meats, jerky, etc., which lack potassium but have fats, protein, iron, selenium, copper, zinc and manganese)
Sugar, salt, honey, minerals (Potassium, Sodium, Magnesium, Calcium, Iron, Iodine, Zinc, Selenium, Copper, Manganese, and a few others that are needed by the body) all last more than a lifetime if kept dried and away from extreme temperatures.
Chocolate is a good long shelf life food with lots of energy and compact calories but limited in nutrients, just iron and magnesium. Same applies to cocoa powder, minus the unhealthy sugars. High fat, high protein foods are ideal, mostly dried meats, dried fish, canned seafood and canned fish.
During long term survival carbohydrates take a secondary role and can be created by the body (gluconeogenesis) and are not essential for life, whereas fats and amino acids (proteins) are needed and must be taken through diet and food. The essential amino acids (9 out of 21 total) must be obtained from food, but the others can be generated or built up by our body in optimal nutrition conditions (some are conditionally non-essential, meaning that even though our body can build them up from the breakdown of other amino acids we can't make them at the rhythm we need them, thus muscle waste and tissue damage will happen)
Provided both are sealed in a vacuum filled container like a can or similar- conceivably, yes.SpyderEdgeForever wrote: ↑Sat Dec 08, 2018 8:12 pmdemoncase, does this mean a person could get, say, a few massive tubs of peanut butter and and honey, as a supplement to other foods, and you can keep those at room temperature on a shelf, and they will not go bad? Will the peanut butter go rancid, though?
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