New knife law hits london

If your topic has nothing to do with Spyderco, you can post it here.
User avatar
ZrowsN1s
Member
Posts: 5051
Joined: Sat Jan 30, 2016 5:08 pm
Location: San Diego, California USA

Re: New knife law hits london

Postby ZrowsN1s » Mon Apr 09, 2018 4:50 pm

I'm angered and saddened by this news. Foolish madness. Treating people like infants that can't be trusted with sharp objects. This last week a man in Germany armed with a gun, ran down a crowd of people with a Van rather than going on a shooting spree. So where does that leave us? Do we ban vehicles next? Wrenches? Hammers? Matches? Gasoline? Shall we put padded gloves on peoples hands? Bind their legs so they can't kick? Muzzle them so they can't bite or complain. Shall we carry this flawed ideology out to it's logical conclusion and lock everyone in a nice safe padded cell where the only thing they are 'free' from is harm?
Last edited by ZrowsN1s on Mon Apr 09, 2018 4:56 pm, edited 1 time in total.
I ❤ The POLICE :spyder:

User avatar
JaseRicco
Member
Posts: 467
Joined: Sat Feb 03, 2018 8:41 am
Location: Jersey Shore

Re: New knife law hits london

Postby JaseRicco » Mon Apr 09, 2018 4:51 pm

twinboysdad wrote:
Mon Apr 09, 2018 3:08 pm
I'd tell London's mayor he can stop and frisk...deez nuts.
Hahahahahahahaha
Jase

Current:
Para 3 LWT & Delica 4 Damascus KnifeJoy Exclusive

On The Hunt For:
Delica 4 Sprints & Exclusives (Background here...viewtopic.php?f=2&t=85708)

Sold:
Delica 4 Wharncliffe, Delica 4 Wharncliffe S30V Cutlery Shoppe Exclusive, Lil Matriarch Bento Box Shop Exclusive

500Nitro
Member
Posts: 703
Joined: Wed Jan 17, 2018 10:56 am
Location: Australia

Re: New knife law hits london

Postby 500Nitro » Mon Apr 09, 2018 4:59 pm

" Shall we put padded gloves on peoples hands? Bind their legs so they can't kick? Muzzle them so they can't bite or complain. Shall we carry this flawed ideology out to it's logical conclusion and lock everyone in a nice safe padded cell where the only thing they are 'free' from is harm?"

They almost do that now with kids.

The wrap in cotton wool Syndrome.
3 x Endura 1 SE, 1 x Endura ? CE and a Black Pacific Salt. Want Aqua Salt, Fish Hunter and a Pacific Salt Yellow.

User avatar
sal
Member
Posts: 13995
Joined: Fri Sep 24, 2004 12:00 pm
Location: Golden, Colorado USA

Re: New knife law hits london

Postby sal » Mon Apr 09, 2018 6:23 pm

Hi Volk,

Welcome to our forum.

sal

atv223
Member
Posts: 146
Joined: Sun Aug 27, 2017 5:28 pm

Re: New knife law hits london

Postby atv223 » Mon Apr 09, 2018 6:38 pm

500Nitro wrote:
Mon Apr 09, 2018 4:59 pm
" Shall we put padded gloves on peoples hands? Bind their legs so they can't kick? Muzzle them so they can't bite or complain. Shall we carry this flawed ideology out to it's logical conclusion and lock everyone in a nice safe padded cell where the only thing they are 'free' from is harm?"

They almost do that now with kids.

The wrap in cotton wool Syndrome.
My daughter’s middle school banned “high fiving” because a bully could smack your hand really hard. Maybe a that would be a good life lesson.

DrawBackwards
Member
Posts: 123
Joined: Sat Apr 16, 2016 6:25 pm
Location: Orem, Utah

Re: New knife law hits london

Postby DrawBackwards » Mon Apr 09, 2018 9:52 pm

I'm sorry -- what the mayor is doing is brilliantly nonsensical. Bright spark for sure. :rolleyes:

Darth_cholo
Member
Posts: 83
Joined: Sat Mar 31, 2018 12:40 am

Re: New knife law hits london

Postby Darth_cholo » Mon Apr 09, 2018 9:57 pm

I don't even own guns and don't like the attention being spent on the symptom and not the cause. Violence is a difficult problem that can't be easily solved with a law. Similar to drugs. They're illegal too aren't they and pretty much have always been.

User avatar
SpyderEdgeForever
Member
Posts: 6301
Joined: Mon Jul 23, 2012 6:53 pm
Location: USA

Re: New knife law hits london

Postby SpyderEdgeForever » Mon Apr 09, 2018 10:30 pm

I wish everyone in the world loved knives and was a Spyderco enthusiast.

User avatar
RamZar
Member
Posts: 1826
Joined: Mon Aug 12, 2013 12:44 am
Location: SoCal, USA

Re: New knife law hits london

Postby RamZar » Mon Apr 09, 2018 11:21 pm

In the UK, kitchen knives will always be legal to buy (not carry unless you’re like a chef) and they’re far deadlier than 3” blade non-locking folders. There are also all-ceramic kitchen knives that defeat metal detectors.

To say that “there is never a reason to carry a knife” is just naive. So, even SAKs should not be carried?

By the way, no new law has been enacted yet. Stop and frisk is sensible even when profiling.

Los Angeles has a 3” blade limit but it can have a lock. However, many places now have metal detectors or they frisk you because they don’t allow knives of any kind. At a concert, since we Ubered, I had to go bury my folder and ManBug keychain knife in a potted plant and then I was allowed in. Fortunately, I was able to find the right potted plant afterwards!
  • I welcome dialog, as long as it remains cordial, constructive and is conducted in a civilized manner. - Titanic: Blood & Steel
  • You can fool some of the people all of the time, and all of the people some of the time, but you cannot fool all of the people all of the time. - Abraham Lincoln

Darth_cholo
Member
Posts: 83
Joined: Sat Mar 31, 2018 12:40 am

Re: New knife law hits london

Postby Darth_cholo » Mon Apr 09, 2018 11:59 pm

RamZar wrote:
Mon Apr 09, 2018 11:21 pm
In the UK, kitchen knives will always be legal to buy (not carry unless you’re like a chef) and they’re far deadlier than 3” blade non-locking folders. There are also all-ceramic kitchen knives that defeat metal detectors.

To say that “there is never a reason to carry a knife” is just naive. So, even SAKs should not be carried?

By the way, no new law has been enacted yet. Stop and frisk is sensible even when profiling.

Los Angeles has a 3” blade limit but it can have a lock. However, many places now have metal detectors or they frisk you because they don’t allow knives of any kind. At a concert, since we Ubered, I had to go bury my folder and ManBug keychain knife in a potted plant and then I was allowed in. Fortunately, I was able to find the right potted plant afterwards!
I had to bury my knife once too. Got it back too!

Volk
Member
Posts: 11
Joined: Mon Apr 18, 2016 2:08 pm
Location: Piedmont, Italy

Re: New knife law hits london

Postby Volk » Tue Apr 10, 2018 2:20 am

sal wrote:
Mon Apr 09, 2018 6:23 pm
Hi Volk,

Welcome to our forum.

sal
Thank you! It's great to be part of this community
polyhexamethyl wrote:
Volk wrote:
Mon Apr 09, 2018 3:42 pm
There is a noticeable tendency to apply new restrictions in the name of "safety", especially here in Europe. I think that politicians could at least put some more effort into it, I mean, this is just plain nonsense:

"No excuses: there is never a reason to carry a knife."

And this is something that should not happen in a civilized country:

These patrols used aggressive stop and frisk procedures on anyone suspected of carrying a knife.

agreed - totally!

if you get stopped by police here in austria you give them a probable cause why you are carrying a knife.

but if you just plain ask them if they ever saw a roll with a zipper did it every time i got stopped by police - usually answered with a smile by the officer
It sounds a little bit like the situation we have in Italy, the problem here is that knife laws are restrictive and very confusing. The officer and the judge will decide whether the reason you gave them for carrying a knife is good enough and if your knife is a tool or a weapon. Technically, if you are outside of your house, you could be fined or even arrested for having a Roadie in your pocket.

Urbanization and movies played a big role in the change of perception, when I was a kid I had the luck to spend every summer in the countryside and over there nobody bat an eye when I was carrying a knife or even a billhook. Now I work in an office and some people are scared by the sight of my Opinel slim that I keep in my lunchbox to peel fruit (RUUUUN! WEAPOOOON!). As knife enthusiasts, we should always try to apply common sense and explain our point of view to these people that are scared of everything; this won't change the world or our laws for the better, but perhaps someone will leave some fear behind and be more tolerant.

twinboysdad
Member
Posts: 2984
Joined: Tue Mar 26, 2013 6:23 pm

Re: New knife law hits london

Postby twinboysdad » Tue Apr 10, 2018 5:17 am

Schpyder wrote:
Tue Apr 10, 2018 5:00 am
I heard last year that flippers and thumb stud knives may get banned in the U.S. i hope Spyderco's with holes can skirt it because most don't have flippers or studs. We will all be carrying slippys's like are grandparents did. I don't like it but I can live with it. Spydie holes are giant nail nicks aren't they ?
Heard where? Most of the southern US laughs at NYC type knife laws.

User avatar
peacefuljeffrey
Member
Posts: 1192
Joined: Wed Jun 07, 2006 11:42 am

Re: New knife law hits london

Postby peacefuljeffrey » Wed Apr 11, 2018 5:41 am

Volk wrote:
Mon Apr 09, 2018 3:42 pm
There is a noticeable tendency to apply new restrictions in the name of "safety", especially here in Europe. I think that politicians could at least put some more effort into it, I mean, this is just plain nonsense:

"No excuses: there is never a reason to carry a knife."

And this is something that should not happen in a civilized country:

These patrols used aggressive stop and frisk procedures on anyone suspected of carrying a knife.
Well, isn’t it true that European voters have largely been quite keen to vote for the kinds of ignorant nanny-state tyrants who produce exactly these types of policies?

User avatar
The Mastiff
Member
Posts: 5461
Joined: Sun Jun 04, 2006 2:53 am
Location: raleigh nc

Re: New knife law hits london

Postby The Mastiff » Wed Apr 11, 2018 12:42 pm

Well, isn’t it true that European voters have largely been quite keen to vote for the kinds of ignorant nanny-state tyrants who produce exactly these types of policies?
Yep. Here in a lot of places too. It's not just a European thing though in many places they do seem farther ahead of our nanny state types here and have gone into real threats to freedom.

User avatar
Ankerson
Member
Posts: 6053
Joined: Sat Jul 24, 2010 1:23 pm
Location: Raleigh, NC

Re: New knife law hits london

Postby Ankerson » Wed Apr 11, 2018 12:51 pm

The Mastiff wrote:
Wed Apr 11, 2018 12:42 pm
Well, isn’t it true that European voters have largely been quite keen to vote for the kinds of ignorant nanny-state tyrants who produce exactly these types of policies?
Yep. Here in a lot of places too. It's not just a European thing though in many places they do seem farther ahead of our nanny state types here and have gone into real threats to freedom.
Well we know there are people in the US that have been trying to decades to turn the US into England and or the UK.

User avatar
ChrisinHove
Member
Posts: 2692
Joined: Tue Dec 17, 2013 8:12 am
Location: 27.2046° N, 77.4977° E

Re: New knife law hits london

Postby ChrisinHove » Wed Apr 11, 2018 1:51 pm

Things like gun control work in the U.K. as there is pretty much universal support for it. We just don’t have a widespread hunting culture to underpin gun ownership.

When you consider the country was absolutely awash with guns after two world wars their removal cannot have been accomplished without such support. I suppose two generations of “total war” changed our society’s perspective.

Similarly, most people don’t think about knives at all outside of the kitchen, and use Stanley knives /box cutters for work.

User avatar
The Mastiff
Member
Posts: 5461
Joined: Sun Jun 04, 2006 2:53 am
Location: raleigh nc

Re: New knife law hits london

Postby The Mastiff » Wed Apr 11, 2018 6:36 pm

Things like gun control work in the U.K. as there is pretty much universal support for it. We just don’t have a widespread hunting culture to underpin gun ownership.

When you consider the country was absolutely awash with guns after two world wars their removal cannot have been accomplished without such support. I suppose two generations of “total war” changed our society’s perspective.

Similarly, most people don’t think about knives at all outside of the kitchen, and use Stanley knives /box cutters for work.
I saw that difference with my inlaws. I had bunches of them from the UK and a few from Ireland. None of them were even remotely gun and knife folk and saw no reason to own firearms of any kind. They did want to go shooting once for fun when they came here on vacation but I never saw even so much as a pocket knife with any of the family. Other than on TV they just never thought about them with only 1 having any military experience. To them guns were terrible, evil, far away things that they only saw when they turned on the TV. It's not strange that translated to knives when they were told it should by the media.Their whole thought process was different from mine. I admit they had some unusual ideas about Americans. Especially southern ones. ;)

joe

User avatar
kwakster
Member
Posts: 389
Joined: Tue Oct 18, 2005 2:52 am
Location: Apeldoorn, The Netherlands
Contact:

Re: New knife law hits london

Postby kwakster » Sun Apr 15, 2018 8:45 am

Also in the tweet the mayor talks about a ban on home deliveries of acid.
Wouldn't that be stigmatizing his own constituents ?

TomAiello
Member
Posts: 4731
Joined: Tue Jun 11, 2013 10:34 pm
Location: Twin Falls, ID

Re: New knife law hits london

Postby TomAiello » Sun Apr 15, 2018 9:06 am

atv223 wrote:
Mon Apr 09, 2018 6:38 pm
My daughter’s middle school banned “high fiving” because a bully could smack your hand really hard. Maybe a that would be a good life lesson.
Sounds like the rule makers at that school need a high five in the face.

Blacksmith
Member
Posts: 5
Joined: Mon Apr 16, 2018 6:34 am
Location: Texas

Re: New knife law hits london

Postby Blacksmith » Mon Apr 16, 2018 8:22 am

Texas just revised their knife laws to allow the carrying of automatic knives. But you cannot carry a club. You can carry a hatchet in your vehicle but not a Tomahawk. Reason still escapes us.


Return to “Off-Topic”

Who is online

Users browsing this forum: No registered users and 14 guests