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Looks like it's all over but the crying in the UK
Posted: Sun Apr 08, 2018 4:23 am
by OldHoosier62
They just made knife owners criminals....as well as the cleaning product aisle of the local grocery store. Looks like the kings men will be able to search your home for those "assault knives". Sad.
Better, non-facebook link.
https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/politics/ ... s-12320972
Re: Looks like it's all over but the crying in the UK
Posted: Sun Apr 08, 2018 6:49 am
by The Meat man
Good grief!
That kind of "logic" blows my mind. I hope that the US isn't going to go the same way.
Re: Looks like it's all over but the crying in the UK
Posted: Sun Apr 08, 2018 2:01 pm
by Snorky
Yep, depending on what they class as 'updating the definition of a flick knife' and how the government looks to deal with such items, I may be a criminal. Opinions vary from banning flipper tabs and assisted openers to outlawing every single type OHO knife, even the UKPK. They'll bring this in quickly too, and the 'you can't even own them at home' change might mean anyone with a now-banned knife can do absolutely nothing with it apart from hide it as contraband or have it destroyed. I am not having a Slysz Bowie destroyed!
If it's the worst case scenario, I reckon I have 10 presently completely legal knives that could cost me four years in prison simply for owning.
But hey, +10 Outlaw points.
Of course, some might say this ban is a cynical diversionary tactic, and that the real reason for the increase in crime on the streets of London is that the then Home Secretary (and now Prime Minister) Theresa May cut Metropolitan Police Officer numbers by 22,000, along with 8,000 Met Police Support jobs, and shuttered almost 70% of the police stations in London. Some might even call it social cleansing because a disproportionate number of those closed stations were in places known for high knife crime. The really cynical might even think these have been further steps to outsource London policing to the security firm G4S, a firm the current Home Secretary Amber Rudd seems remarkably comfy with.
But no, it must be all those Spyderco owners in London.
Re: Looks like it's all over but the crying in the UK
Posted: Sun Apr 08, 2018 2:23 pm
by The Mastiff
I hope that the US isn't going to go the same way.
We certainly have our share of politicians that want to do much more than that. There is never any end to the efforts simply because they don't work against criminals and problems continue so there will always be more politicians with media types telling them " the public demands you do something" who not only believe them but also have no concern for what problems the law will create for the majority of people who are honest.
In my opinion career politicians are a greater threat than knives or guns to our society and they should have no more than 2 terms then back to working for a living.
Joe
Re: Looks like it's all over but the crying in the UK
Posted: Sun Apr 08, 2018 4:52 pm
by Mad Mac
But wait, there's more!
London's mayor, Sadiq Khan, is going to use a special police task force with stop and search powers to combat knife attacks. A muslim, Khan had previously decreased stop and search as racist and Islamophobic.
https://www.dailywire.com/news/29179/lo ... ly-zanotti
But that's not all -- his Honor tweeted:
"No excuses: there is never a reason to carry a knife. Anyone who does will be caught, and they will feel the full force of the law. "
This way, the mujahidin do not have to worry about being counterattacked.
Re: Looks like it's all over but the crying in the UK
Posted: Sun Apr 08, 2018 5:23 pm
by Bloke
It’s a complete and misguided crock!
A mate of mine bounces here at Sydney’s night clubs and frisks shady characters. All he ever finds are $2 service station folders and small paring/kitchen knives sharpened on concrete in homemade cardboard sheaths. :eek:
Do politicians honestly believe people buy $200+ knives for the purpose of stabbing other people? :confused:
Re: Looks like it's all over but the crying in the UK
Posted: Sun Apr 08, 2018 5:42 pm
by The Meat man
Mad Mac wrote: ↑Sun Apr 08, 2018 4:52 pm
But wait, there's more!
London's mayor, Sadiq Khan, is going to use a special police task force with stop and search powers to combat knife attacks. A muslim, Khan had previously decreased stop and search as racist and Islamophobic.
https://www.dailywire.com/news/29179/lo ... ly-zanotti
But that's not all -- his Honor tweeted:
"No excuses: there is never a reason to carry a knife. Anyone who does will be caught, and they will feel the full force of the law. "
This way, the mujahidin do not have to worry about being counterattacked.
How far removed from reality can these people get?!
Re: Looks like it's all over but the crying in the UK
Posted: Sun Apr 08, 2018 5:46 pm
by The Meat man
The Mastiff wrote: ↑Sun Apr 08, 2018 2:23 pm
I hope that the US isn't going to go the same way.
We certainly have our share of politicians that want to do much more than that. There is never any end to the efforts simply because they don't work against criminals and problems continue so there will always be more politicians with media types telling them " the public demands you do something" who not only believe them but also have no concern for what problems the law will create for the majority of people who are honest.
In my opinion career politicians are a greater threat than knives or guns to our society and they should have no more than 2 terms then back to working for a living.
Joe
Joe, I think you're on to something with that last line. It seems that after a few years in politics, these people start to lose all touch with the real world and with how things work in the real world.
I know some are better than others, but the true public servant is almost unheard of in today's political climate.
Re: Looks like it's all over but the crying in the UK
Posted: Sun Apr 08, 2018 5:49 pm
by The Meat man
Mad Mac wrote: ↑Sun Apr 08, 2018 4:52 pm
But that's not all -- his Honor tweeted:
"No excuses: there is never a reason to carry a knife.
Have they banned clamshell packaging over there too? :rolleyes:
Re: Looks like it's all over but the crying in the UK
Posted: Sun Apr 08, 2018 6:41 pm
by SpyderEdgeForever
The Mastiff wrote: ↑Sun Apr 08, 2018 2:23 pm
I hope that the US isn't going to go the same way.
We certainly have our share of politicians that want to do much more than that. There is never any end to the efforts simply because they don't work against criminals and problems continue so there will always be more politicians with media types telling them " the public demands you do something" who not only believe them but also have no concern for what problems the law will create for the majority of people who are honest.
In my opinion career politicians are a greater threat than knives or guns to our society and they should have no more than 2 terms then back to working for a living.
Joe
First of all, this is outrageous and sickening that they are pushing to ban knives from law-abiding citizens.
Secondly, Joe, you made a very good point on this and related things. We have discussed this before but let me put this out there for review:
What happened to the "liberal attitude" of "Live and let live, do your own thing and I will do my own thing, let's all be equal and accept and tolerate each other", which is what you and I would expect these people to be (I am trying not to make this political) IF they were CONSISTENT with living out their worldview. Am I right on that? If they were CONSISTENT and actually lived out what they CLAIM to believe: Universal Acceptance, Equality, and Tolerance for EVERYONE, including those they disagree with, then such laws would never take hold.
They would say "The knife users have just the same right to their desire to carry and own knives as we have not to own and carry them."
I mean, aren't these the "Pro Choice" people?
And yet, Joe, and others here, what you and I see from them is the VERY OPPOSITE: When the people with this worldview take power, political power, government power, they become TYRANNICAL and INTOLERANT and try to pass as many laws as possible to force people to NOT have a choice in their lives when it comes to their person and property.
Am I making sense here?
An example: These people, many of them, come from the 1960s "Hippy Generation". Aren't those types of people SUPPOSED to be, according to THEIR CLAIMS as to what they believe, all about "universal peace, freedom, tolerance, and equality"? Yet when they take political power they do as I said above, the very opposite. What happened to their whole "pro choice" claims?
Re: Looks like it's all over but the crying in the UK
Posted: Sun Apr 08, 2018 6:44 pm
by SpyderEdgeForever
SpyderEdgeForever wrote: ↑Sun Apr 08, 2018 6:41 pm
The Mastiff wrote: ↑Sun Apr 08, 2018 2:23 pm
I hope that the US isn't going to go the same way.
We certainly have our share of politicians that want to do much more than that. There is never any end to the efforts simply because they don't work against criminals and problems continue so there will always be more politicians with media types telling them " the public demands you do something" who not only believe them but also have no concern for what problems the law will create for the majority of people who are honest.
In my opinion career politicians are a greater threat than knives or guns to our society and they should have no more than 2 terms then back to working for a living.
Joe
First of all, this is outrageous and sickening that they are pushing to ban knives from law-abiding citizens.
Secondly, Joe, you made a very good point on this and related things. We have discussed this before but let me put this out there for review:
What happened to the "liberal attitude" of "Live and let live, do your own thing and I will do my own thing, let's all be equal and accept and tolerate each other", which is what you and I would expect these people to be (I am trying not to make this political) IF they were CONSISTENT with living out their worldview. Am I right on that? If they were CONSISTENT and actually lived out what they CLAIM to believe: Universal Acceptance, Equality, and Tolerance for EVERYONE, including those they disagree with, then such laws would never take hold.
They would say "The knife users have just the same right to their desire to carry and own knives as we have not to own and carry them."
I mean, aren't these the "Pro Choice" people?
And yet, Joe, and others here, what you and I see from them is the VERY OPPOSITE: When the people with this worldview take power, political power, government power, they become TYRANNICAL and INTOLERANT and try to pass as many laws as possible to force people to NOT have a choice in their lives when it comes to their person and property.
Am I making sense here?
An example: These people, many of them, come from the 1960s "Hippy Generation". Aren't those types of people SUPPOSED to be, according to THEIR CLAIMS as to what they believe, all about "universal peace, freedom, tolerance, and equality"? Yet when they take political power they do as I said above, the very opposite. What happened to their whole "pro choice" claims?
And also this: They claim to be pro choice but only in the areas that they want you to be pro choice in, AND, they also hypocritically allow THEMSELVES to have the things they ban from others. Here is a proof: I read that some of the biggest advocates for banning guns from the hands of the everyday people have concealed carry permits, and own guns, including automatic firearms, and have armed security with guns. Isn't that very anti choice and hypocritical? Why should a person like Jane Fonda be allowed to be armed to the teeth but "Jim the rural homesteader" be banned from having the firearms?
Re: Looks like it's all over but the crying in the UK
Posted: Sun Apr 08, 2018 7:01 pm
by SpyderEdgeForever
By the way, laws against "thought crimes" (right out of George Orwell's "1984") are not that far off. I know this sounds really out there, but, I read that there have already been situations where a student brought a picture of a gun to school and also "liking" a gun picture. Don't believe me? Read it:
http://www.alloutdoor.com/2017/05/08/st ... n-picture/
And that one was an airsoft gun.
Here was one who was kicked out of school for showing pictures of the family at a gun range:
https://conservativedailypost.com/stude ... gun-range/
https://www.abc15.com/news/region-centr ... ure-of-gun
There you go. Those are not even real physical guns, and these people were punished.
What next? A person is accused of "threatening others" by having a knife magazine, knife book, or knife picture with them, or a gun book/picture/magazine? People, this is disgusting. This is sickening.
Here was an elementary school student who was suspended for bringing a BUTTER KNIFE to school to cut a peach into pieces.
How insane can people be?
Re: Looks like it's all over but the crying in the UK
Posted: Sun Apr 08, 2018 7:02 pm
by SpyderEdgeForever
Re: Looks like it's all over but the crying in the UK
Posted: Sun Apr 08, 2018 7:07 pm
by Mad Mac
The classical liberal was a fiscal conservative and social liberal. These days, that would be a libertarian.
Today's liberal is a communitarian, progressive, socialist who believes in big government and the nanny state. The consistent part is that the progressive believes we are not responsible for our actions, we have to be protected from ourselves, go soft on crime because we can't help ourselves, victimhood is a virtue, the state will provide everything we need.
Conservatives are social conservatives and though they believe in self-reliance and independence they also believe that the flesh is weak and morality has to be enforced by the government. For example, the war on drugs and other victimless crimes such as prostitution are used to justify big government spending and restrictive laws.
Between the social engineers on the left and the religious fundamentalists on the right, libertarians today don't have a chance. However, there is some relief in sight.
The Convention of States seeks to use a constitutional convention to limit the size of government by using term limits and fiscal restraints. Sign up here:
https://conventionofstates.com/
Re: Looks like it's all over but the crying in the UK
Posted: Sun Apr 08, 2018 7:16 pm
by xceptnl
SpyderEdgeForever wrote: ↑Sun Apr 08, 2018 6:44 pm
SpyderEdgeForever wrote: ↑Sun Apr 08, 2018 6:41 pm
The Mastiff wrote: ↑Sun Apr 08, 2018 2:23 pm
I hope that the US isn't going to go the same way.
We certainly have our share of politicians that want to do much more than that. There is never any end to the efforts simply because they don't work against criminals and problems continue so there will always be more politicians with media types telling them " the public demands you do something" who not only believe them but also have no concern for what problems the law will create for the majority of people who are honest.
In my opinion career politicians are a greater threat than knives or guns to our society and they should have no more than 2 terms then back to working for a living.
Joe
First of all, this is outrageous and sickening that they are pushing to ban knives from law-abiding citizens.
Secondly, Joe, you made a very good point on this and related things. We have discussed this before but let me put this out there for review:
What happened to the "liberal attitude" of "Live and let live, do your own thing and I will do my own thing, let's all be equal and accept and tolerate each other", which is what you and I would expect these people to be (I am trying not to make this political) IF they were CONSISTENT with living out their worldview. Am I right on that? If they were CONSISTENT and actually lived out what they CLAIM to believe: Universal Acceptance, Equality, and Tolerance for EVERYONE, including those they disagree with, then such laws would never take hold.
They would say "The knife users have just the same right to their desire to carry and own knives as we have not to own and carry them."
I mean, aren't these the "Pro Choice" people?
And yet, Joe, and others here, what you and I see from them is the VERY OPPOSITE: When the people with this worldview take power, political power, government power, they become TYRANNICAL and INTOLERANT and try to pass as many laws as possible to force people to NOT have a choice in their lives when it comes to their person and property.
Am I making sense here?
An example: These people, many of them, come from the 1960s "Hippy Generation". Aren't those types of people SUPPOSED to be, according to THEIR CLAIMS as to what they believe, all about "universal peace, freedom, tolerance, and equality"? Yet when they take political power they do as I said above, the very opposite. What happened to their whole "pro choice" claims?
And also this: They claim to be pro choice but only in the areas that they want you to be pro choice in, AND, they also hypocritically allow THEMSELVES to have the things they ban from others. Here is a proof: I read that some of the biggest advocates for banning guns from the hands of the everyday people have concealed carry permits, and own guns, including automatic firearms, and have armed security with guns. Isn't that very anti choice and hypocritical? Why should a person like Jane Fonda be allowed to be armed to the teeth but "Jim the rural homesteader" be banned from having the firearms?
I agree with your last statements SEF. My personal grievance is with NCIS star Mark Harmon, who has made his fortune using weapons on the big screen and on our TVs yet he is a huge anti-gun activist. This kind of hypocrisy sends my blood pressure to the moon.
Re: Looks like it's all over but the crying in the UK
Posted: Sun Apr 08, 2018 7:45 pm
by SpyderEdgeForever
xceptnl, wow I had no idea about him. He is one of my favorite actors, and on NCIS one of the "Gibbs Rules of Life" is to never be without a knife, you probably know that one from watching the show. Man that's sad that he is anti gun.
Do you think the famous film producer Donald Bellisario is anti gun and anti knife or supports the rights of people to have them?
Also, while it is fiction, I would welcome your speculation: Based on what you see in the series, on Star Trek, do you think the "United Federation of Planets" government has strict anti gun and anti knife policies, or, since in the Star Trek fictional universe, everyone has replicators, people are allowed to make and carry really cool knives and energy weapons like phasers? Someone who is a long time Trekker fan told me that he spoke with the producers of Star Trek the Next Generation back in the 1990s, and the idea he got was that the everyday Federation citizens are allowed to carry the older-model laser and low-power phaser and stun weapons for personal defense, as well as basic knives made from materials like duranium and tritanium (basically advanced steel and titanium alloys), but the seriously powerful Phaser weapons and things like Photon Torpedoes and grenades were legal only for Star Fleet and Federation Marines to carry. Disruptor weapons (they use some form of strong nuclear force disintegration energy reactions) are illegal and banned in the Federation because they are used only to kill enemies painfully and slowly.
Also, in the Federation fictional universe, all forms of genetic modification and genetic engineering of people are banned because they had the bad experience of the Eugenics Wars in their fictional version of late 20th century and early 21st century Earth, where genetic super tyrants like Khan Noonian Singh took over whole nations.
They are also very suspicious and not friendly to most forms of artificial intelligences such as androids that are too human like, because of bad experiences with AI and robots turned bad.
Re: Looks like it's all over but the crying in the UK
Posted: Sun Apr 08, 2018 9:30 pm
by shunsui
Let's see....
Banned guns ? Check
Banned knives ? Check
Banned Acid ? Check
Self driving cars ? Coming soon.
I suspect we'll soon see an uptick in blunt force truama, arson, and poisoning.
Re: Looks like it's all over but the crying in the UK
Posted: Mon Apr 09, 2018 2:34 am
by ZrowsN1s
shunsui wrote: ↑Sun Apr 08, 2018 9:30 pm
Let's see....
Banned guns ? Check
Banned knives ? Check
Banned Acid ? Check
Self driving cars ? Coming soon.
I suspect we'll soon see an uptick in blunt force truama, arson, and poisoning.
My deepest sympathy to my spyder brothers and sisters in London and Canada. This is madness.
Britain going further out of their minds with anti-knife laws?
Posted: Mon Apr 09, 2018 4:05 am
by peacefuljeffrey
:mad: I’ve been reading lately about the worsening crime rates in the U.K., and the U.K. government’s response. It’s been more of the same insanity.
I’ve never made a secret of being absolutely opposed to weapon prohibition laws, and absolutely opposed to the notion of attempting to address crime problems by going after tools used by criminals — especially when those tools have legitimate uses for the rest of society. I’ll be opposed to such approaches through my dying day.
I found it somewhat irksome that any knife manufacturers capitulated to the British anti-knife laws by making models that conform to idiotic and pointless (and even dangerous) whims such as requiring non-locking blades.
Now I see that appeasing the British bureaucrats and government overlords has had the predictable result of
not satisfying them.
Of course.
Now the Brits appear to be poised to outlaw the online purchase of knives sent to residential addresses — period!
What is that going to do for fighting crime? Not a goddamned thing. But what will it do for commerce where companies such as Spyderco, and online retailers such as Knifecenter, are concerned? Hmmm. That remains to be seen, of course, but could it possibly be anything but detrimental?
The delivery of knives bought online to private addresses is to be banned under a package of measures to tackle knife crime to be announced by the home secretary, Amber Rudd.
Knives bought online will in future have to be collected in person, with retailers responsible for checking that all buyers are 18 or older. New powers are also proposed for the police to seize banned weapons such as zombie knives, knuckledusters and throwing stars if they are found in someone’s home, and to arrest those involved.
This development is infuriating. :mad:
https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/201 ... nife-crime
Re: Britain going further out of their minds with anti-knife laws?
Posted: Mon Apr 09, 2018 4:36 am
by 500Nitro
More crazy laws that achieve nothing.
Many years ago in Victoria (a state in Australia), they banned the carrying of knives.
Of course it was a knee jerk reaction and passed quickly, then amended because tradies, divers (as I was doing a bit at the time)
and others required them to be carrying or using knives in public.
Law got changed pretty quickly but anyone in a wetsuit etc with a knife strapped to their leg was breaking the law.