Jade Helm 15

[RanCoWeAla]

Has anyone been following this? There was a big article in our local newspaper yesterday.

[enduraguy]

Just don't ask Alex Jones his opinion on it.

[tvenuto]

Is this a government scandal? You'll have to excuse me, I live in a cave. We put weights in the cave though, so it's called a gym.

edit: nevermind, found a quick article that breaks it down.

Given that I had riots in my home city, and FBI surveillance flights overhead, people around here aren't as concerned about what's going on in the west.

[MichaelScott]

No, it's a small group of whacko nut jobs who hate Obama, believe Walmarts are secret interconnected (via underground tunnels) FEMA death camps prepared by gay Muslim-loving liberals working for the Illuminati. Some of these idiots live in Texas which really pisses me off since I am a native Texan and wish that they would just SHUT UP and stop skipping their meds.

[SpyderNut]

No, it's a small group of whacko nut jobs who hate Obama, believe Walmarts are secret interconnected (via underground tunnels) FEMA death camps prepared by gay Muslim-loving liberals working for the Illuminati. Some of these idiots live in Texas which really pisses me off since I am a native Texan and wish that they would just SHUT UP and stop skipping their meds.

Now that, sir, made me smile. :) lol

[Monocrom]

Folks are entitled to their opinions.... No matter how idiotic. Anyone actually worried they'll gain nation-wide support? Let's be realistic.

[The Mastiff]

No, it's a small group of whacko nut jobs who hate Obama, believe Walmarts are secret interconnected (via underground tunnels) FEMA death camps prepared by gay Muslim-loving liberals working for the Illuminati. Some of these idiots live in Texas which really pisses me off since I am a native Texan and wish that they would just SHUT UP and stop skipping their meds

Wow, full on attack mode seething with hostility attempting to marginalize other viewpoints using ridicule. Who needs meds? :)

Personally I'm not afraid of our military. After serving in it I know how difficult it would truly be to get soldiers break their vows and attack innocent Americans no matter how crooked and conniving the chief executive really is. Even though the whole top echelon of the military has been purged and hand selected by the current administration any attempt to use that military illegally would be doomed to fail and back fire against any president who tried,morally challenged socialist or future republican traditional conservative . The tradition of respect and obedience by the military to the elected leaders of this country will continue in the foreseeable future. General officers may be political animals who like power but most combat (not combat support or combat service support) soldiers are pretty patriotic with a large percentage from the south, or red states incidentally.

The same respect for the soldiers I have I lack for the pentagon itself because they are political. If the president tells the Pentagon chiefs to send out a press release talking about Global warming being a true threat ( as well as use the untrue meme about there being no real scientists who disagree) than the Pentagon types up the release and hand it out. They don't hesitate to carry water for the president. He is the commander in chief. Things should be altogether different if that President went too far though. The swear in oath is to the constitution, not to "der furher".

Has anyone thought to ask the Governor, as well as handful of congressmen why they feel this is warranted or is this just a knee jerk reaction to attack the ones involved before finding out why? There are some unusual things that don't make sense in this, or at least point to pretty unpleasant ideas at least being researched and planned and trained for. From what I've seen there has only been reactions motivated by feelings, not any real longing for information.

Rushing to conclusions about these kind of things don't really help anybody though. Certainly there is enough the administration has done showing a lack of morals, truthfulness,promised transparency, even competency to merely blame everybody who questions the president or one of his actions as being prejudiced, racist or getting into stereotyping as rednecks, "whacko nut job", or "people who cling to guns and religion". Listing all the things Mr. President has done that's downright deceitful, corrupt or detestable or just incompetent could take a whole page without even explaining the items on the page. We are talking about an administration who has influenced one election by illegally strangling the opponents income stream using the IRS and who also plans on changing the outcome of future elections through the use of mass illegal immigration to bring in more voters. That's only two things out of many I can bring up and it speaks volumes and all paying attention can see that giving the benefit of the doubt to someone like that is foolish in the extreme.

I still have faith in the country and call no man my enemy though the socialist/communist movements are the natural enemy of the traditional concept of America. Now people seem to ignore this group(s) as they tear at the underbelly of this great nation from within.

[MichaelScott]

Even whacko nut-jobs have opinions. Doesn't mean they are sane. It's like all the other conspiracy fairie tale apocalyptic belief systems, based on ignorance, stupidity and fear. "Don't confuse me with the evidence, just pass the ammunition."

Someone wants me to believe something, show me actual evidence and rational argument or shut up.

[The Mastiff]

Someone wants me to believe something, show me actual evidence and rational argument or shut up.

Why would anyone care if another person believed something or not? Especially one with the attitude of " do my work for me with regards to research" . "My mind is already made up anyway" Most tend to not spend time or put in effort with people who make up their mind without looking into things for themselves and would rather ridicule, demean and marginalize others opinions without any facts to back up their opinion. You might be the type person who needs slogans to repeat rather than information. In any event it's difficult getting me to talk myself into attempting a fact based conversation with someone wanting one based on emotions and with no desire to find the truths or falsehoods of which both are obviously present.

Personally I'd rather vacuum the carpet than attempt to prove something to someone with a mindset like the one you appear to have. It's a way more productive use of my time.

There was a woman who just didn't believe in germs despite being told some hard facts about them. Therefore, in her mind if germs didn't exist then washing those non real, obviously imaginary things she couldn't see off her hands before cooking for the family that hired her just wasn't needed. :) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Typhoid_Mary All the deaths? It's very easy to rationalize away as something else, go somewhere else and begin over.

We Humans are very good at two things. Rationalizing our thoughts and actions,especially the unpleasant ones and projecting our own faults and bad thoughts onto others. That's a different conversation though.

Find your own evidence, form your own opinions and live your life how you want. For **** sure don't hold your breath waiting for me to shut up because you say so. :D

[wrdwrght]

Oh, good, another issue to make us distrust/dislike each other. Seems we can't have enough of them. Are we just bored?

[MichaelScott]

I'm not the one claiming that Jade Helm is (take your pick) preparation for martial law, Texas takeover, gun confiscations, Chinese invasions, FEMA death camps, etc. Providing real evidence isn't up to me, it's up to those making the claims. If someone claims that a space alien had Elvis' baby, we'll, all right, but don't expect me to go to the christening until you also provide real evidence.

Since rational discourse is most likely not possible regarding such topics as these, I will now sign off further conversations on this topic. I'm always open to PM discussions though.

[The Mastiff]

I'm not the one claiming that Jade Helm is (take your pick) preparation for martial law, Texas takeover, gun

I'm not either. I'm also not one throwing around insults and making up my mind without doing my own research. We may come to the same conclusions eventually but my decision is based on what information is available while yours is no better than a repeated slogan where someone else has given you yours.

The more stereotypes and ridicule or forced political correctness ( speaking generally, not talking about you BTW) the less facts usually are backing them. It's a very common way to be now. Seems like ridicule has become the most common form of influence in our society. It is effective at discouraging independent thought. Really it's the best way to control people in our culture of instant access to information.

[RanCoWeAla]

Convoy of Microwave Weapons seen in Nevada.

[Johnnie1801]

Convoy of Microwave Weapons seen in Nevada.

If they're driving Russian made tanks then I wouldn't worry too much :D

https://youtu.be/DeJzuo2TsfM

[RanCoWeAla]

Microwave weapons are used for crowd control and they have settings that can go from uncomfortable to the skin to blowing you up like a hot dog left in the microwave too long

[paladin]

Microwave weapons are used for crowd control and they have settings that can go from uncomfortable to the skin to blowing you up like a hot dog left in the microwave too long

I'm covered.... my tinfoil hat will protect me from the microwave ...

But seriously, RanCo thanks for starting this thread...I think many here are intrigued by the "exercises" taking place in our country... :confused:

We believe information & knowledge is a good thing to share, let everyone weigh the evidence and make up THEIR OWN MIND...

so sincerely, thanks a lot brother :)

[MichaelScott]

I heard that the "stun" settings have been disabled on their ray guns.

[The Mastiff]

If they're driving Russian made tanks then I wouldn't worry too much :D

Imagine the engineers who left the Kremlin embarrassed and pissed off. Not real good for job security.

Interesting design though. The turret is not manned. The 3 crew are encapsulated in the body beneath the turret with everything done by remote. Too many pictures and film of T50's, 60's and 70's series exploding and launching the turret after one hit from a NATO tank.

The Body of this is supposed to be the basis for an APC, mortar carrier, SP gun, and a few other designs. IMO, too much redesigning to make that into a PC big enough to carry enough infantry.

They supposedly have ordered 2300 of the tank versions for delivery by 2020ish. They were purchasing armor plate from Germany before their attacking Ukraine so I wonder how they will solve that. They admitted their steel wasn't high enough quality.

Still, with the major European powers having what amounts to only one old 80's-90's tank division worth of tanks for the whole country even half that many is a sizable force.

When I was stationed in Germany NATO had over 10 thousand tanks in Germany alone, The Warsaw pact 2 or 3 for every NATO tank. Now Germany has 300?. Great Britain in the 300's.

No wonder Russia feels they can do whatever they want. Europe is mostly disarmed. The US has, um, Leadership issues.

History shows being strong prevents aggression. Weakness attracts it

[RanCoWeAla]

Thanks for some good replies Gentlemen. We definitely need to keep a close watch on this thing. I was looking yesterday and there is so much on you tube already that you could never find the end of it. I think this is the real thing or a rehearsal for the real thing. The real mystery is why Walmart closed five super centers within this same area and gave 500-600 people walking papers with a five hour notice if this really is the case. There is a video online that supposedly was taken by a Lady and her teen age Daughter who went to the pharmacy of one of the stores which was the only thing left in the store and they were stopped at the door by a Deputy Sheriff and two Walmart associates and questioned. She said the store had been totally gutted so I'm thinking field hospital or holding are for non comformants. And wonder how many hundreds of millions Walmart is getting out of this

[yablanowitz]

And oddly enough, all five of those Wal Mart stores were unionized, and everyone knows how much Wal Mart loves unions.