What Happens if Knife Laws go overboard? (USA)

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What Happens if Knife Laws go overboard? (USA)

Postby Minibear453 » Tue Dec 20, 2011 11:50 pm

I'm wondering, in light of the new Australian import restrictions, and the New York knife laws. If the knife laws get too strict... would the second amendment kick in? I mean, look at New York. Those laws are still there. :(
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Postby Sequimite » Tue Dec 20, 2011 11:59 pm

As a matter of common sense one would suppose there would be some protection but legally I've never heard of the 2nd amendment being stretched to include knives in a court decision.

As a practical matter if the knife industry was as big as the gun industry then the lobbying muscle would be there to pass reasonable knife laws.
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Postby jakemex » Wed Dec 21, 2011 12:01 am

What happens WHEN knife laws go overboard? Not a matter of if but when.
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Postby Dr. Snubnose » Wed Dec 21, 2011 1:38 am

Not suggesting you do this, but I really think if it came to really restrictive knife laws, law abiding citizens contemplating a means to protect themselves from the criminal element which prey upon innocent people, would probably resort to carrying $20 and under throwaway knives. box cutters etc..........Doc :D
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Postby Slash » Wed Dec 21, 2011 4:23 am

Then, I may just have to sell most of my knives on the black market at a premium. Only to buy it all back when the dust settles at a fraction of the price.

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Postby The Deacon » Wed Dec 21, 2011 6:41 am

Truth is, "knife crime" is not the hot-button issue in the USA that it is in other countries. We can probably thank the "gun crime" issue for that. Whatever the reason, it means there's less incentive in the USA to come up with illogical and unworkable solutions to knife related violence. So I don't see much chance of highly restrictive laws here, outside of New York City and possibly a handful of other large cities, at least not in my potential lifetime. The last attempt at more restrictive Federal laws got turned back. The rest of New York State has shown zero interest in adopting Mr. Vance's private vendetta against folding knives. Nor, AFAIK, have any other states or cities. Restricting private imports by individuals, or even banning them outright, would have far less impact here than on countries where significant savings can be achieved that way. At the worst, more states and municipalities my adopt blade length and/or open carry restrictions.
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Postby O,just,O » Wed Dec 21, 2011 7:05 am

This is what happens :mad: :(
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Postby Adriaan » Wed Dec 21, 2011 8:26 am

I just ignore them. In Europe those socialist treehuggers exaggerate. I refuse to obey to strict knife laws. I have a clean record, so what are they going to do? Trow me in jail? Yeah sure... I you commit a crime with a sentence under 3 years, then you will get an alternative "punishment" because there is not enough place in jail. LOL

That being said. I keep my spyderco in my pocket, illegal or legal.

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Postby Blerv » Wed Dec 21, 2011 8:52 am

I'm with Deacon. A solution to a problem that doesn't exist is just poking a pack of dogs with a stick.

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Postby Left Hand Path » Wed Dec 21, 2011 9:23 am

Knife Rights is making a difference in the USA. I am a member and I would encourage anyone who likes knives to join.

Restrictive knife laws are not a matter of 'when' in this country, unless we fail to act. 'When' will be 'never' if we are successful in our efforts to stand up for our rights and educate others.

Little things like calling and emailing public officials to let them know your thoughts when there is knife-related legislation is important. Knife Rights is working on knife law preemption in my state of Pennsylvania right now. Positive knife laws and preemption have been passed in some states, like NH, Arizona, Utah, and there will be more to come if we work on it.
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Postby Minibear453 » Wed Dec 21, 2011 1:04 pm

I'm joining knife rights right now.
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Postby SolidState » Wed Dec 21, 2011 1:23 pm

Adriaan wrote:I just ignore them. In Europe those socialist treehuggers exaggerate. I refuse to obey to strict knife laws. I have a clean record, so what are they going to do? Trow me in jail? Yeah sure... I you commit a crime with a sentence under 3 years, then you will get an alternative "punishment" because there is not enough place in jail. LOL

That being said. I keep my spyderco in my pocket, illegal or legal.
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Excellent

Postby Left Hand Path » Wed Dec 21, 2011 5:58 pm

Minibear453 wrote:I'm joining knife rights right now.
That's great! Doug Ritter is a good guy and the list of knife companies that support Knife Rights is good company.
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Postby Evil D » Wed Dec 21, 2011 6:05 pm

Just like gun laws, knife laws only effect the law abiding. You really think these laws prevent criminals from carrying and using knives? Part of being a criminal is ignoring the laws, it's not like they say "oh crap, they passed that knife law, i guess i won't take my mall ninja knife to the armed robbery tonight".

Think about all the things that are already 100% illegal to do/have/sell/buy, like drugs for example. Do those laws against them actually prevent anything? This crap is just another way to make revenue and get votes by ignorant scared people who can't see the big picture.
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Postby Left Hand Path » Wed Dec 21, 2011 6:48 pm

Evil D you are exactly right.
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Postby Blerv » Wed Dec 21, 2011 6:53 pm

There are organized intelligent ways to cope with such laws. Doug Ritter and Knife Rights are doing a great job.

Simply defying the laws will only accomplish getting you charged legally. Regardless of your rational mindset at the time, a weapons charge sticks to someone for a while. Perhaps preventing certain employment.
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Postby 2cha » Wed Dec 21, 2011 7:17 pm

The 2nd A. should cover knife laws, and I think it is just a matter of time. The 2nd A didn't even create an individual right to bear arms until 2008 and that right was not incorporated against the states until 2010. I'm contemplating bringing a 2nd A suit against the City of Philadelphia which has, as far as I know, the most restrictive knife laws imaginable--NO CUTTING INSTRUMENTS unless of type customarily used in your trade or profession AND you're about the business of your trade or profession.

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Postby Minibear453 » Wed Dec 21, 2011 9:22 pm

Right! But it's not. I hope you guys win the case. Set down some ground rules at the very least. Otherwise, we'll be forced to carry popsicle sticks everywhere. Except... has there ever been a court case about such knife laws? If there is, it'd at least protect some rights.
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