Quaddafi Dead

[enduraguy]

http://www.foxnews.com/world/2011/10/20 ... nder-says/

[Sequimite]

One more murderous tyrannical sociopath down, and hopefully one more step towards freedom for his former subjects. The reports about the quick return to normal life in Tripoli are heartening.

[Azwaiian]

It is about time! Another personification of EVIL has just left the planet.

[dialex]

Whew! What a relief! The world is finally a better place.

[224477]

Its good that his own nation made justice w/o direct support of any 'world police'.

[r small]

Good riddance to bad rubbish.

[angusW]

I'm certainly no fan of Qadhafi. He did seem to be a strange person but he did give a lot of the oil proceeds to his people. Libya "was" the crown jewel of Africa and now it's a war torn country thanks to NATO. Qadhafi gave out a million Kalashnikovs to the the people of Libya. My government here in Canada doesn't trust us with firearms.

The thing that gets me is, the so called Rebels used by NATO were Al Qaeda. This was admitted by a top NATO commander Admiral James Stavridis. In fact the supreme commander of the Rebels, Abdel-Hakim al-Hasidi, admits that the fighters among the ranks have killed American and British troops in Iraq.

So lets get this straight. When al-Qaeda is in Iraq they are bad but when they are in Libya they are good. The media has hailed the Rebels as freedom fighters even though it's been widely reported that these freedom fighters are slaughtering blacks on sight in Libya. One of the witnesses to this was former Congressman Walter Fauntroy who saw Libyan's being beheaded by the Rebels.

Yes. Qadhafi was one strange guy but don't celebrate too much guys. Another country is in the toilet now all in the guise of freedom and liberation.

[razorsharp]

I went to bed at 2am and this was breaking news. Good riddens

[Sequimite]

I'm certainly no fan of Qadhafi. He did seem to be a strange person but he did give a lot of the oil proceeds to his people. Libya "was" the crown jewel of Africa and now it's a war torn country thanks to NATO. Qadhafi gave out a million Kalashnikovs to the the people of Libya. My government here in Canada doesn't trust us with firearms.

The thing that gets me is, the so called Rebels used by NATO were Al Qaeda. This was admitted by a top NATO commander Admiral James Stavridis. In fact the supreme commander of the Rebels, Abdel-Hakim al-Hasidi, admits that the fighters among the ranks have killed American and British troops in Iraq.

So lets get this straight. When al-Qaeda is in Iraq they are bad but when they are in Libya they are good. The media has hailed the Rebels as freedom fighters even though it's been widely reported that these freedom fighters are slaughtering blacks on sight in Libya. One of the witnesses to this was former Congressman Walter Fauntroy who saw Libyan's being beheaded by the Rebels.

Yes. Qadhafi was one strange guy but don't celebrate too much guys. Another country is in the toilet now all in the guise of freedom and liberation.

Most of your assertions are wrong. He bought off the people for a while but they've been getting less and less for many years.

The rebellion was underway for weeks before NATO began discussing an intervention.

Al Queda??? Any source other than Quadhafi on that one? Cite it. the Arab League and other groups and countries who are prime targets of Al Queda urged supporting the rebels.

The rebels are not angels. Like many tyrants Quadafi relied on mercenaries to kill his own people. Most were black and I'm sure there are innocents caught up in retribution against the mercenaries.

Have you forgotten Quadafi's terrorist attacks against citizens of the US and other countries? Does Lockerbie ring a bell? Berlin bombings?

Yeah, it was great there until NATO got Al Queda to overthrow a true humanitarian.

add-> I should address your citation of Admiral James Stavridis. Whoever told you that he said that the rebels were Al Quaeda was lying to you. Stavridis said there was the "potential" for a few ("flickers") of Al Quaeda within the rebels. There are "flickers" in the US and most other countries.

Here is a report of his testimony before Congress: http://articles.cnn.com/2011-03-29/us/l ... e?_s=PM:US

[Dr. Snubnose]

Now what to do with all the billions of dollars the man had invested here in the US that we seized...I'd say lets pay down some of our national debt!.....On a side note...why is it that these guys are always hiding in some hole!....From my contacts in government intel....It was told to me that the rebel who shot Momar, was wearing a NY Yankee baseball cap...how ironic it must have been for him to see that as one of his last memories...Would have been more fitting if Osama saw that one....But I'll take it non-the-less......Good Ridden...One less crazy in the world to worry about....Doc :D

[bh49]

One more murderous tyrannical sociopath down, and hopefully one more step towards freedom for his former subjects. The reports about the quick return to normal life in Tripoli are heartening.

Quaddafi got what he deserve. Actually I wish his death wouldn't be that easy.
Unfortunately I cannot share optimism regarding future freedoms in Libya. I see what is going on in Egypt and they are one step ahead from Libya.
Sorry, I big doubts of possibility of long lasting democratic state in the middle east, except Israel of cause.

[Monkeywrangler]

What bugs me is the MSM saying this is Democracy at work! Yeah, right...democracy pulls wounded criminals out of drain pipes, films it all, including them hauling him away off camera, whereupon within 30 min they say he sadly "bled out" from his injuries...Oh and never mind the NEW hole in his HEAD! Then they tie his body to a truck and parade it around!

A bit too close to the way our dead were treated and defiled during Blackhawk Down in Somalia... That ain't Democracy!

[Sequimite]

Quaddafi got what he deserve. Actually I wish his death wouldn't be that easy.
Unfortunately I cannot share optimism regarding future freedoms in Libya. I see what is going on in Egypt and they are one step ahead from Libya.
Sorry, I big doubts of possibility of long lasting democratic state in the middle east, except Israel of cause.

I subscribe to Francis Fukayama's thesis in "The End of History", which is that the long term trend in history is towards freedom and democracy. I think this is a step in that direction but whether a democracy emerges in ten years or a hundred years is unknowable. I'm encouraged by the fact that things are going better there than I expected.

In Egypt the power structure that has ruled for half a century is intact, minus Mubarak and a few others and with a few concessions to the people. In Libya it is completely destroyed.

[Sequimite]

What bugs me is the MSM saying this is Democracy at work! Yeah, right...democracy pulls wounded criminals out of drain pipes, films it all, including them hauling him away off camera, whereupon within 30 min they say he sadly "bled out" from his injuries...Oh and never mind the NEW hole in his HEAD! Then they tie his body to a truck and parade it around!

A bit too close to the way our dead were treated and defiled during Blackhawk Down in Somalia... That ain't Democracy!

I think you are confusing forms of government with morality. The connection is a loose one. England enforced colonial rule by lining up the men of a village and shooting every tenth one. That's where the word "decimate" comes from. In the Philippines a century ago US soldiers murdered entire villages when they suspected "rebels" were among them. And, yes I'm going there, Hitler came to power through a democratic parlimentary system.

[bh49]

I subscribe to Francis Fukayama's thesis in "The End of History", which is that the long term trend in history is towards freedom and democracy.

Possibly, I am not 100% sure about this.

I think this is a step in that direction but whether a democracy emerges in ten years or a hundred years is unknowable.

Unfortunately, if hundred years for human History is like blink of an eye, for me it is more than a life.

[skatenut]

Another dictator gone and good riddance!
I wonder if other dictators in the Arab world are getting cold feet now?

[r small]

Assad of Syria is got to be getting a little nervous.

[salimoneus]

Good riddance to bad rubbish.

I guess we can only hope that bad rubbish isn't replaced by worse rubbish. I think we would have been better off leaving that whole thing alone for that very reason. Only time will tell.

[angusW]

Most of your assertions are wrong. He bought off the people for a while but they've been getting less and less for many years.

Actually your assessment of the situation in Libya is wrong. I agree that there was a type of socialism in Libya with the “benevolent dictator” being in power. He had the power to give and he also had to power to take away. Not a good situation. Now with the Rebels looting Sirte and other cities they will then be in power under another puppet leader. Things will be much worse for the people of Libya. Look, I’m not shedding tears for Qadhafi. He was a tyrant, a despot, a mass murderer and just an all around nasty person but now the real fun is going to start for Libyan’s. They are not going to enjoy more freedom but less freedom. NATO interfered in another nations business under the auspices of liberating the people of Libya when in fact that is not the case.

The rebellion was underway for weeks before NATO began discussing an intervention.

Who do you think was backing the Rebels? Do you actually think it was really a spontaneous event? They’ve been backed by the US and UK for years. http://landdestroyer.blogspot.com/2011/ ... libya.html

Al Queda??? Any source other than Quadhafi on that one? Cite it. the Arab League and other groups and countries who are prime targets of Al Queda urged supporting the rebels.

I’m sure Qadhafi would have argued that al-Queda are part of the Rebels but I never said Qadhafi did say that. I did quote two people. One was NATO Commander Admiral James Stavridis. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5wduaXTMz9g
He says the commanders of the Rebels are “responsible men and woman” but the other source was the Rebel Commander Abdel-Hakim al-Hasidi. http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldne ... links.html

The rebels are not angels. Like many tyrants Quadafi relied on mercenaries to kill his own people. Most were black and I'm sure there are innocents caught up in retribution against the mercenaries.

I never said Qadhafi had mercenaries kill blacks. Don't put words in my mouth. In the southwest of Libya there are black pro-Qadhafi tribes. They are of a different tribe than many of the Rebels. Those black tribes people as well as guest workers were actively being soaght out and killed. Even former Congressman Walter Fauntroy had to hide out for so he wouldn’t get killed.

Have you forgotten Quadafi's terrorist attacks against citizens of the US and other countries? Does Lockerbie ring a bell? Berlin bombings?

Qadhafi never had his day in court as he was conveniently killed. The Lockerbie bombing was blamed on Libya but I doubt they actually did it. http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php? ... &aid=23362

The suspects for the Berlin bombing were suspected of working for the CIA and Mossad. http://100777.com/node/101

Yeah, it was great there until NATO got Al Queda to overthrow a true humanitarian.

I never called Qadhafi a humanitarian. He was a tyrant. No two ways about it but do you actually think the living conditions in Libya are going to be better now? NATO bombed cities which included hospitals, schools, tv transmitters and “The Great Man-Made River” which supplies 70% of the water to Libyan’s. In other words NATO bombed infrastructure which is a war crime. The Great Man-Made river was built during Qadhafi’s time and is one of the world’s largest engineering projects. Libyan’s are some of the best hydrological engineers in the world which happened under Qadhafi. It wasn’t perfect there but it is going to get worse under tribal bickering. During the Rebel “liberation” the Rebels would call in air attacks to drop love bombs on the Qadhafi side but different factions of the Rebels, Younis and Hefter, would also call airstrikes on each other, on purpose.
I definitely don’t mourn Qadhafi’s death but I do mourn for the people of Libya because life is going to get much more difficult and much more dangerous for them.

add-> I should address your citation of Admiral James Stavridis. Whoever told you that he said that the rebels were Al Quaeda was lying to you. Stavridis said there was the "potential" for a few ("flickers") of Al Quaeda within the rebels. There are "flickers" in the US and most other countries.

Here is a report of his testimony before Congress: http://articles.cnn.com/2011-03-29/us/l ... e?_s=PM:US

Again. The Rebels admitted themselves that al-Qaeda was involved.

[Sequimite]

angusW,

It sounds like you are admitting that the Nato commander's statement was exactly the opposite of what you claimed. You cited him as saying that the rebels = Al Quaeda whereas he actually said that there was little or no Al Quaeda influence in the Rebels.

Since you are plunging into secret conspiracies I guess you believe that the political debate before the intervention was a sham. I don't see how we can discuss secret conspiracies so I'll leave that alone.