IIRC this happened in the wee small hours of the morning and what initially attracted the officer's attention was two loud people who had obviously been drinking. Not to say what happened afterward was reasonable, but NYC is an anomaly, not the norm for the US, and definitely not the norm for New York State as a whole.Blerv wrote:There was someone on this forum with a Harpy in NY a while back who had it taken from him. The cop obviously saw the glistening clip.
If I recall his particular story involved a night in jail and $2,000+ in attorney fees. He could have probably saved money on such a charge but most people don't dance with record charges involving weapons.
I could have gotten the story wrong. Even if there's a 5% chance I'll end up in jail I'm not going to risk it. I can carry up to a 3.5" blade. Even if it was 3" that's a serious tool to have on your person.
To each his/her own. I don't screw with the law. I don't want to be made an example for an overzealous LEO or a change in knife policies.
I'm not trying to be a jerk, but you ever try telling any form of LEO the line of the law? Be they direct quotes or otherwise Ive never ever seen it taken any different than reminding them that taxes pay their salaries.Praxis wrote: Don't just take someone else's word for it, actually look up the law yourself. LEOs have a busy, demanding job and may not aways be familiar with the nuances of laws about knives. That's why YOU should know 100% what is legal or not.
Perhaps I need to clarify my post. A previous posted suggested calling one's local police station to ask about knife legality. In my opinion, that's a mistake since LEO's aren't always familiar with the nuances of the laws on things like pocket knives. Instead, do the research yourself. I'm not saying you should quote the law chapter and verse to an office if he/she wants to confiscate your knife on the street, since that probably won't help much, but at least you will be better informed about the legality of the situation.GTP2K1 wrote:I'm not trying to be a jerk, but you ever try telling any form of LEO the line of the law? Be they direct quotes or otherwise Ive never ever seen it taken any different than reminding them that taxes pay their salaries.
They simply don't listen intently and thank you for informing them. They roll their eyes don't listen at all and take whatever your complaining about to the next level. You have absolutely no recourse. If your being filmed the camera guy gets arrested and the tape confiscated. If you try to file a complaint you will be discouraged and you better have every detail they ask and even then it goes in the trash the moment you walk out way more often then not. If you tried to do it anonymously you might be arrested (for refusing to show id).
You have to be independently wealthy to live on principal in this country unfortunately.
When dealing with LEO's in any capacity, remain as completely calm as possible, look them in the eye, comply immediately with all instructions to the very best of your ability, and throw in as many respectful Sir's as you can. You can't win when you have no power over interpretation of the law. Try not to cower or show fear while remaining completely compliant. Don't volunteer information that will incriminate and don't mislead.
Which is a pain when they say "Do you have any weapons on you?" even saying "No, I have a tool, a knife" if not done extremely delicately can provoke them to show you how much power they have. The alternative is admission of carrying a weapon, at that point blade length doesn't matter so much.
In summary try not to carry anything that isn't replaceable. An remember its cheaper to buy a new knife then pay for a lawyer. So just hand it over and thank them for their service.
When I decided to buy some better quality knives I did call my local police dept. I live in a small town and you are right. They had no idea what was legal or not, not even blade length. They thought it was funny that someone would call about that since fishing and hunting (and knives) are very popular here. Between the two officers I talked to and myself we decided as long as I didn't go around poking people with any knife I wanted to carry they wouldn't care. That's not to say there aren't laws for my little town. They just aren't enforced as long as there isn't any trouble. In case you were wondering, my town's name is NOT Mayberry.Praxis wrote:Perhaps I need to clarify my post. A previous posted suggested calling one's local police station to ask about knife legality. In my opinion, that's a mistake since LEO's aren't always familiar with the nuances of the laws on things like pocket knives. Instead, do the research yourself. I'm not saying you should quote the law chapter and verse to an office if he/she wants to confiscate your knife on the street, since that probably won't help much, but at least you will be better informed about the legality of the situation.
Your description makes sense to me on how things should be. But we don't live in a "should be" world unfortunately. My opinion/desire is that the item carried shouldn't be an issue. Gun, knife, whatever. If someone walks into a bank and robs it using a loaded gun or knife and never fires a shot or hurts anyone he should be considered guilty of attempted murder even if in his heart he knows he never would have actually shot someone. The reason most people don't rob banks is because of the penalty which is punishment. That is my general belief and I hope it is wrong.Stephen wrote:Jackknifeh, I'm friends with a Walton county sheriffs deputy and he told me a few basic things.
First, you can carry a reasonably size fixed blade unconcealed on your person and most people won't give you any trouble unless it's double edged or it's friggin huge 8"+. One of my friends walks around with a full size Ka-bar on his belt. The only issue we had is when he was asked to leave from a bar/bowling alley/pool hall by the manager. He just asked if they could instead hold onto it until we left and he basically said "Oh, ok, that's fine, I can do that".
Second, you can carry any non-automatic, normal (no balisongs etc) pocket knife concealed up to 4", any bigger is technically not allowed, but if you're minding your own business (i.e. not flashing it around, being loud/belligerent, etc...) something a little bigger generally won't get confiscated or worse. Also, I think this is true but I'm not 100% sure, so don't quote me . If you have a CCW you can carry an automatic knife, they're legal to buy locally or from a Florida based online vendor.
Third, be really polite and cooperative. A no-brainer, but he said when people get even a little defensive it makes you look suspicious.
Forth, if at all possible be active in your local community, get to know people who can vouch for your character. Also I would say that making friends with a few cops certainly doesn't hurt.
Some of this repeats some of the things mentioned by who posted before me, but you get the idea.
Hope this helps some
Raven, if you think you are disliked here you are mistaken. If this were a perfect world you wouldn't have a job doing what you do. But it isn't a perfect world. We need people like you. I hope you understand this but I hate needing you. I would rather be able to protect myself. This delves into a completely different subject that has been discussed more than I know so I won't continue.raven wrote:WOW ... For as much as we put our lives on the line to protect others ...I didn't know we LEOs were so disliked here???
I hope there are a few that actually respect what we do which includes DAYWALKER, stonyman, Jimd, tonydahose, KaliGman, a few others and myself. I can honestly say that the ones I've mentioned are as HONEST as they come and would never look for a reason to screw over someone. We have a job to do .... SERVE AND PROTECT. That also means not abusing our authority in any capacity. PLEASE Don't Stereotype us and at the very least give us the benefit of the doubt . Take Good Care and Be Safe Always.
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