Terrorist sentenced: United States vs. Reid
Terrorist sentenced: United States vs. Reid
I just had this sent. I though you all might be interested....
*Remember the man who got on a plane with a bomb built into his shoe and
tried to light it?* :mad:
Did you know his trial is over? :eek:
Did you know he was sentenced? :eek:
Did you see/hear any of the judge's comments on TV or Radio? :confused:
Didn't think so.!!!
Everyone should hear what the judge had to say. Ruling by
Judge William Young, US District Court. Prior to sentencing, the Judge
asked the defendant if he had anything to say. His response: After
admitting his guilt to the court for the record, Reid also admitted his
'allegiance to Osama bin Laden, to Islam, and to the religion of Allah,'
defiantly stating,
'I think I will not apologize for my actions,' and told the court 'I am
at war with your country.' Judge Young then delivered the statement
quoted below: January 30, 2003, United States vs. Reid. Judge Young:
'Mr. Richard C. Reid, hearken now to the sentence the Court imposes upon
you. On counts 1, 5 and 6 the Court sentences you to life in prison in
the custody of the United States Attorney General. On counts 2, 3, 4 and
7, the Court sentences you to 20 years in prison on each count, the
sentence on each count to run consecutively. (That's 80 years.) On count
8 the Court sentences you to the mandatory 30 years again, to be served
consecutively to the 80 years just imposed. The Court imposes upon you
for each of the eight counts a fine of $250,000 that's an aggregate fine
of $2 million. The Court accepts the government's recommendation with
respect to restitution and orders restitution in the amount of $298.17
to Andre Bousquet and $5,784 to American Airlines. The Court imposes
upon you an $800 special assessment. The Court imposes upon you five
years supervised release simply because the law requires it. But the
life sentences are real life sentences so I need go no further. This is
the sentence that is provided for by our statutes.
It is a fair and just sentence. It is a righteous sentence. Now, let me
explain this to you.
We are not afraid of you or any of your terrorist co-conspirators, Mr.
Reid. We are Americans. We have been through the fire before. There is
too much war talk here and I say that to everyone with the utmost
respect. Here in this court, we deal with individuals as individuals and
care for individuals as individuals. As human beings, we reach out for
justice. You are not an enemy combatant. You are a terrorist. You are
not a soldier in any war.
You are a terrorist. To give you that reference, to call you a soldier,
gives you far too much stature. Whether the officers of government do it
or your attorney does it, or if you think you are a soldier. You are
not----- you are a terrorist. And we do not negotiate with terrorists.
We do not meet with terrorists. We do not sign documents with
terrorists. We hunt them down one by one and bring them to justice. So
war talk is way out of line in this court.
You are a big fellow. But you are not that big. You're no warrior. I've
known warriors.
You are a terrorist. A species of criminal that is guilty of multiple
attempted murders. In a very real sense, State Trooper Santiago had it
right when you first were taken off that plane and into custody and you
wondered where the press and the TV crews were, and he said: 'You're no
big deal' You are no big deal. What your able counsel and what the
equally able United States attorneys have grappled with and what I have
as honestly as I know how tried to grapple with, is why you did
something so horrific. What was it that led you here to this courtroom
today? I have listened respectfully to what you have to say. And I ask
you to search your heart and ask yourself what sort of unfathomable hate
led you to do what you are guilty and admit you are guilty of doing?
And, I have an answer for you. It may not satisfy you, but as I search
this entire record, it comes as close to understanding as I know.
It seems to me you hate the one thing that to us is most precious. You
hate our freedom.
Our individual freedom. Our individual freedom to live as we choose, to
come and go as we choose, to believe or not believe as we individually
choose. Here, in this society, the very wind carries freedom. It carries
it everywhere from sea to shining sea. It is because we prize individual
freedom so much that you are here in this beautiful courtroom. So that
everyone can see, truly see, that justice is administered fairly,
individually, and discretely. It is for freedom's sake that your lawyers
are striving so vigorously on your behalf, have filed appeals, will go
on in their representation of you before other judges. We Americans are
all about freedom. Because we all know that the way we treat you, Mr.
Reid, is the measure of our own liberties. Make no mistake though. It is
yet true that we will bear any burden;
pay any price, to preserve our freedoms. Look around this courtroom.
Mark it well.
The world is not going to long remember what you or I say here. The day
after tomorrow,
it will be forgotten, but this, however, will long endure. Here in this
courtroom and courtrooms all across America , the American people will
gather to see that justice, individual justice, justice, not war,
individual justice is in fact being done. The very President of the
United States through his officers will have to come into courtrooms and
lay out evidence on which specific matters can be judged and juries of
citizens will gather to sit and judge that evidence democratically, to
mold and shape and refine our sense of justice. See that flag,
Mr. Reid? That's the flag of the United States of America . That flag
will fly there long after this is all forgotten. That flag stands for
freedom. And it always will. Mr. Custody Officer. Stand him down. So,
how much of this Judge's comments did we hear on our TV sets?
We need more judges like Judge Young, but that's another subject. Why
didn't the media
put this on the news? Pass this around. Everyone should and needs to
hear what this fine judge had to say. Powerful words that strike home.
God Bless all freedom Loving People
*Remember the man who got on a plane with a bomb built into his shoe and
tried to light it?* :mad:
Did you know his trial is over? :eek:
Did you know he was sentenced? :eek:
Did you see/hear any of the judge's comments on TV or Radio? :confused:
Didn't think so.!!!
Everyone should hear what the judge had to say. Ruling by
Judge William Young, US District Court. Prior to sentencing, the Judge
asked the defendant if he had anything to say. His response: After
admitting his guilt to the court for the record, Reid also admitted his
'allegiance to Osama bin Laden, to Islam, and to the religion of Allah,'
defiantly stating,
'I think I will not apologize for my actions,' and told the court 'I am
at war with your country.' Judge Young then delivered the statement
quoted below: January 30, 2003, United States vs. Reid. Judge Young:
'Mr. Richard C. Reid, hearken now to the sentence the Court imposes upon
you. On counts 1, 5 and 6 the Court sentences you to life in prison in
the custody of the United States Attorney General. On counts 2, 3, 4 and
7, the Court sentences you to 20 years in prison on each count, the
sentence on each count to run consecutively. (That's 80 years.) On count
8 the Court sentences you to the mandatory 30 years again, to be served
consecutively to the 80 years just imposed. The Court imposes upon you
for each of the eight counts a fine of $250,000 that's an aggregate fine
of $2 million. The Court accepts the government's recommendation with
respect to restitution and orders restitution in the amount of $298.17
to Andre Bousquet and $5,784 to American Airlines. The Court imposes
upon you an $800 special assessment. The Court imposes upon you five
years supervised release simply because the law requires it. But the
life sentences are real life sentences so I need go no further. This is
the sentence that is provided for by our statutes.
It is a fair and just sentence. It is a righteous sentence. Now, let me
explain this to you.
We are not afraid of you or any of your terrorist co-conspirators, Mr.
Reid. We are Americans. We have been through the fire before. There is
too much war talk here and I say that to everyone with the utmost
respect. Here in this court, we deal with individuals as individuals and
care for individuals as individuals. As human beings, we reach out for
justice. You are not an enemy combatant. You are a terrorist. You are
not a soldier in any war.
You are a terrorist. To give you that reference, to call you a soldier,
gives you far too much stature. Whether the officers of government do it
or your attorney does it, or if you think you are a soldier. You are
not----- you are a terrorist. And we do not negotiate with terrorists.
We do not meet with terrorists. We do not sign documents with
terrorists. We hunt them down one by one and bring them to justice. So
war talk is way out of line in this court.
You are a big fellow. But you are not that big. You're no warrior. I've
known warriors.
You are a terrorist. A species of criminal that is guilty of multiple
attempted murders. In a very real sense, State Trooper Santiago had it
right when you first were taken off that plane and into custody and you
wondered where the press and the TV crews were, and he said: 'You're no
big deal' You are no big deal. What your able counsel and what the
equally able United States attorneys have grappled with and what I have
as honestly as I know how tried to grapple with, is why you did
something so horrific. What was it that led you here to this courtroom
today? I have listened respectfully to what you have to say. And I ask
you to search your heart and ask yourself what sort of unfathomable hate
led you to do what you are guilty and admit you are guilty of doing?
And, I have an answer for you. It may not satisfy you, but as I search
this entire record, it comes as close to understanding as I know.
It seems to me you hate the one thing that to us is most precious. You
hate our freedom.
Our individual freedom. Our individual freedom to live as we choose, to
come and go as we choose, to believe or not believe as we individually
choose. Here, in this society, the very wind carries freedom. It carries
it everywhere from sea to shining sea. It is because we prize individual
freedom so much that you are here in this beautiful courtroom. So that
everyone can see, truly see, that justice is administered fairly,
individually, and discretely. It is for freedom's sake that your lawyers
are striving so vigorously on your behalf, have filed appeals, will go
on in their representation of you before other judges. We Americans are
all about freedom. Because we all know that the way we treat you, Mr.
Reid, is the measure of our own liberties. Make no mistake though. It is
yet true that we will bear any burden;
pay any price, to preserve our freedoms. Look around this courtroom.
Mark it well.
The world is not going to long remember what you or I say here. The day
after tomorrow,
it will be forgotten, but this, however, will long endure. Here in this
courtroom and courtrooms all across America , the American people will
gather to see that justice, individual justice, justice, not war,
individual justice is in fact being done. The very President of the
United States through his officers will have to come into courtrooms and
lay out evidence on which specific matters can be judged and juries of
citizens will gather to sit and judge that evidence democratically, to
mold and shape and refine our sense of justice. See that flag,
Mr. Reid? That's the flag of the United States of America . That flag
will fly there long after this is all forgotten. That flag stands for
freedom. And it always will. Mr. Custody Officer. Stand him down. So,
how much of this Judge's comments did we hear on our TV sets?
We need more judges like Judge Young, but that's another subject. Why
didn't the media
put this on the news? Pass this around. Everyone should and needs to
hear what this fine judge had to say. Powerful words that strike home.
God Bless all freedom Loving People
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Dude, aint no way that man is getting out of this country.Sam Vimes wrote:Thanks for that. Can I make an additional request to Uncle Sam? Please keep him. If he's sent back our hand wringing liberals will let him out inside five years. :mad:
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Yep. I'll put the rope on him, pull the lever. Go home, have a cup of coffee and feel less bad than I did about stepping on a bug.I say hang him. The rope is reusable. I'll even buy it for them, and tie the knot myself.
There is no reason to keep guys like him alive. After working in a prison for 15 years I'll be the first to tell you putting him in prison will not stop or prevent him from being a danger, and a drain on socieity.
Pretty words make people feel better but actions speak much louder. Joe
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Well said!The Mastiff wrote:Yep. I'll put the rope on him, pull the lever. Go home, have a cup of coffee and feel less bad than I did about stepping on a bug.
There is no reason to keep guys like him alive. After working in a prison for 15 years I'll be the first to tell you putting him in prison will not stop or prevent him from being a danger, and a drain on socieity.
Pretty words make people feel better but actions speak much louder. Joe
One of these would work just fine
And about .69 cents each..........a real bargain imo.
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It must be nice to be tax-exempt. I see no reason why I should be punished for what he did. Having my tax dollars paying his room and board and legal fees is certainly punishment in my mind. There is no doubt that he is guilty, he admits to it. There is no doubt that he would do the same again given the opportunity, he has said as much. While I agree that hanging is more humane than he deserves, it is the cheapest means of execution available.EarthDog wrote:Great post, Ian.
Judge Young really nailed it by treating Reid as a criminal. He hewed closely to our principals of law and justice.
It is well that Reid enjoy our hospitality for a long and obscure life. Hanging would be too good for him.
I don't believe in safe queens, only in pre-need replacements.
I have no idea what was intended by this, but just to be clear, I pay plenty of taxes.yablanowitz wrote:It must be nice to be tax-exempt.
To the extent that my taxes help fund a functioning justice system, I consider it a good investment in our nation.
In the case of Reid, I believe justice is better served by letting him rot in obscurity. If we were to execute him, it would just bring him undue attention as a "martyr" to a "cause."
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Earth dog, in a prison system there is no rotting in obscurity. The fact is he will still have the chance to cost us 10's of millions, conservatively. He will also continue to have the chance to harm, and kill americans, both other prisoners and staff.
Talking like rotting in obscurity is great and all, but it is very far from the reality of the prison system. He will continue to be a threat to americans as long as he lives. He will continue to cost money that would appall most americans just for his upkeep. Then there are the free lawyers he will get to harass and clog the judicial system. Assaulting or murdering staff is a vacation to the Jails for trials for guys like him. Then there is the tremendous amount of medical care he will recieve for lifes ailments, plus most likely a bunch of self inflicted ones. More and better medical care than the staff that guards him, and gets s---, s---, and p----- on daily.
Those are the realities of the situation. Work in maximum or "Supermax" for about 10 years dealing with these scum and see if you feel the same. You might, or might not. I know which way I'd bet.
I'd guess he's going to cost close to a hundred million alltogether before he dies, unless he goes very early in his young life, in which case the taxpayer will get a break. Joe
Talking like rotting in obscurity is great and all, but it is very far from the reality of the prison system. He will continue to be a threat to americans as long as he lives. He will continue to cost money that would appall most americans just for his upkeep. Then there are the free lawyers he will get to harass and clog the judicial system. Assaulting or murdering staff is a vacation to the Jails for trials for guys like him. Then there is the tremendous amount of medical care he will recieve for lifes ailments, plus most likely a bunch of self inflicted ones. More and better medical care than the staff that guards him, and gets s---, s---, and p----- on daily.
Those are the realities of the situation. Work in maximum or "Supermax" for about 10 years dealing with these scum and see if you feel the same. You might, or might not. I know which way I'd bet.
I'd guess he's going to cost close to a hundred million alltogether before he dies, unless he goes very early in his young life, in which case the taxpayer will get a break. Joe
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What Joe said. What I meant in my previous post was simply that I don't understand the mentality of anyone who wants to support convicted terrorists. Hey, if you want your tax dollars to go for his upkeep, more power to you. I just can't believe that anyone would. That's why I would comment that wanting to keep this terrorist in prison for fifty years (or however long he lasts) equates in my mind to being tax exempt. And I disagree that hanging him would give him any more attention as a "martyr to a cause" than leaving him in a prison filing appeal after appeal and giving him daily opportunities to harm others.EarthDog wrote:I have no idea what was intended by this, but just to be clear, I pay plenty of taxes.
To the extent that my taxes help fund a functioning justice system, I consider it a good investment in our nation.
In the case of Reid, I believe justice is better served by letting him rot in obscurity. If we were to execute him, it would just bring him undue attention as a "martyr" to a "cause."
Believe me, if I could say what my tax dollars went for, feeding this jerk would not be on the list.
I don't believe in safe queens, only in pre-need replacements.
Well sir we don't live in the old west anymore....If we did he probably would'nt have even got a trial.yablanowitz wrote:Great. We get to pay his lawyers for twenty years of appeals and pay his room and board for a hundred and ten years after the third time he dies.
I say hang him. The rope is reusable. I'll even buy it for them, and tie the knot myself.
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