Bram Frank's lapu lapu corto

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Bram Frank's lapu lapu corto

Postby AllenETreat » Mon Nov 12, 2007 11:30 am

Not a Gunting, but a close second....

http://translate.google.com/translate?h ... %26hl%3Den

If I recell these were for sale on evilbay sometime ago, if you want
just the lapu lapu corto knifeoutlet.com has'em -

http://knifeoutlet.com/shop/10Expand.as ... Code=CKLLC

I myself would be more interested in the "kit" than just the LLC though.


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Postby dete » Mon Nov 12, 2007 6:59 pm

I got the set,

if you have any questions about it, feel free to post or pm me.

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Postby fellyjr » Mon Nov 12, 2007 7:08 pm

AllenETreat wrote:Not a Gunting, but a close second....
I had a chance to handle them at a knife show and I thought they felt very cheap compared to the Spydie version. Maybe it's because they are made in China, I don't know, but IMO the quality was nowhere near that of the original Spyderco Gunting!

Just my .02 ;)

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Postby dialex » Tue Nov 13, 2007 5:16 am

Huh? Made in China? I was living under the impression they are made in Germany :confused:
I have to check my LLC's, again, but mine aren't looking cheap at all. I have the black and olive G-10 versions (together with the red drones). I dare to say those are good knives, although they are not Spydies. :(
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Postby AllenETreat » Tue Nov 13, 2007 8:21 am

fellyjr wrote:I had a chance to handle them at a knife show and I thought they felt very cheap compared to the Spydie version. Maybe it's because they are made in China, I don't know, but IMO the quality was nowhere near that of the original Spyderco Gunting!

Just my .02 ;)
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"Outsourcing" of labor has become the new trend of the 21st century.
Not all businesses engage in it. Personally I can't see sending COMCHI
all the work & putting workers elsewhere out of work.

Hence they wouldn't be able to buy the very products that took
away their jobs!

Some knife companies ( Spyderco & Benchmade come immediately to mind )
offer "made in China" as an option ( ex. Byrd & "red class" knives ) while
some plain old market their product to an unsuspecting buyer!

The Doc Marten's I'm wearing used to be made in England ; look in
the tongue of the shoe : made in China :eek:

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Postby enyong112 » Tue Nov 13, 2007 8:56 am

AllenETreat wrote:Not a Gunting, but a close second....

If I recell these were for sale on evilbay sometime ago, if you want
just the lapu lapu corto knifeoutlet.com has'em -

http://knifeoutlet.com/shop/10Expand.as ... Code=CKLLC

I myself would be more interested in the "kit" than just the LLC though.


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Postby Argento » Tue Nov 13, 2007 9:46 am

dialex wrote:Huh? Made in China? I was living under the impression they are made in Germany :confused:
I have to check my LLC's, again, but mine aren't looking cheap at all. I have the black and olive G-10 versions (together with the red drones). I dare to say those are good knives, although they are not Spydies. :(
Cherusker Knives is a german company, but the knives are made in china, all knives they have in their line up are made in china. But it doesn´t mean that it is cheap stuff.

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Postby J.B » Tue Nov 13, 2007 1:59 pm

The LLC is an extremly well designed folder! It´s a wonderful combination of SD and Utility, fantastic ergos, very secure grip, grip fast changeable and highly usable. Yes, it is made in China and because of the construction an the used rather thin liners which keeps weight down one can squeeze the handle slabs together. This doesn´t reduce the security or usability at all, though.

Everything is well fitted and finished. The folder comes for the lowest price of a Delica 4 in Germany, which is a really good deal. I don´t want to comment on the Puzzle Lock, shiny footprints, you know. I have bought a LLC Military about a half year ago because I simply couldn´d withstand the design and the special model. It wasn´t meant for me, but due to circumstances it stayed with me and I´m not sad about it.

Some quickshots from today:

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Postby dete » Tue Nov 13, 2007 3:23 pm

JB those are some beautiful pics
I like the reflections very much!

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Postby Firefighter880 » Tue Nov 13, 2007 5:27 pm

I almost bought one of those LLC's.

Ended up goin for the Gunting, though.

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Postby fellyjr » Tue Nov 13, 2007 7:17 pm

Firefighter880 wrote:I almost bought one of those LLC's.

Ended up goin for the Gunting, though.

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You chose..............Wisely! ;)

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Postby Puyallupknifegu » Tue Nov 13, 2007 7:45 pm

fellyjr wrote:You chose..............Wisely! ;)


LOL!!

I agree, Felly! I handled the same model you did...like the spydie wayyyy better!!!



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Postby J.B » Wed Nov 14, 2007 9:35 am

Thanks Dete, I´m really a bad photographer, just a bit lucky with the reflections there.

Indeed the Golden made Gunting feels more valuable, pretty stiff, no sqeezing reaction, thicker liners and handle scales, better blade steel. The lock should be stronger too. If you ever have the chance, get the Gunting first because they already have become rather expensive.

On the other hand the LLC comes in Germany for about a third of the current Gunting prices and is a good choice for those who can´t or wouldn´t like to spend about 200 Euro or so for a Gunting.

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JB
We need locking :spyder: folders, at least a D4, with very small :spyder:holes (no one-hand function, only trademark) for legal carry in Germany!

If I could only keep one of all my knives, it probably would be a D4.

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Postby The Deacon » Wed Nov 14, 2007 9:52 am

It appears to use a compression lock, is that correct, and, if so, do they have Spyderco's ok to do so?
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Postby BOK » Wed Nov 14, 2007 10:11 am

Bram actually has a patent on this particular lock design. Its called the puzzle lock. Visually it looks the same as a compression lock but from what I understand is a little different functionally.

Perhaps someone more capable can expand on the differences.

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Postby J.B » Wed Nov 14, 2007 10:31 am

The Deacon wrote:It appears to use a compression lock, is that correct, and, if so, do they have Spyderco's ok to do so?
BOK wrote:Bram actually has a patent on this particular lock design. Its called the puzzle lock. Visually it looks the same as a compression lock but from what I understand is a little different functionally.

Perhaps someone more capable can expand on the differences.
Info about the Puzzle Lock, at least you can see and read the drawings: (sorry, my hyperlink button doesn´t work):
http://www.cherusker-messer.de/shop/pag ... hop_param=

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Postby dete » Wed Nov 14, 2007 11:16 am

as far as I can tell..

Gunting
-comp lock
-indexing divots
-spoon clip
-spyder hole
-ramp

-black clip


LLC
-puzzle lock
-indexing divots
-spoon clip
-rounded triangle hole
-ramp

-lighter
-persian blade
-curved handle
-zipper teeth on handle


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Postby Agent Starling » Fri Nov 16, 2007 9:16 pm

Firefighter880 wrote:I almost bought one of those LLC's.

Ended up goin for the Gunting, though.

:spyder:
Me too...might get an LLC some day though... :D

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Postby Michael Cook » Sat Nov 17, 2007 10:24 am

:spyder: So how often do guntings show up on ebay and how much should a guy have set aside to reliably pick one up if steel/edge configuration didn't
matter? :spyder:
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