Your thoughts on guns.
Your thoughts on guns.
I don't want this to turn into a thread with mile long posts. I want it to be more of a poll. Please limit your posts to under a paragraph.
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vampyrewolf
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Been shooting since I was about 8-9, farm communities are great.
Personally I don't see the need for more than 5 rounds in a rifle(not that I don't have more in my semi auto .22lr). If you can't hit it and kill it with 1 shot you shouldn't be pulling the trigger.
Growing up how I did(spent weekends and holidays out there, weekdays here in the city) has some effect on my opinions. Most of the cars and trucks out in the farm areas have at least a 12 gauge for coyote & raccoon or to finish off roadkill. Would a .45 pistol be easier to use on wildlife? probably, but a load of 00 buskshot usually does it.
Personally I don't see the need for more than 5 rounds in a rifle(not that I don't have more in my semi auto .22lr). If you can't hit it and kill it with 1 shot you shouldn't be pulling the trigger.
Growing up how I did(spent weekends and holidays out there, weekdays here in the city) has some effect on my opinions. Most of the cars and trucks out in the farm areas have at least a 12 gauge for coyote & raccoon or to finish off roadkill. Would a .45 pistol be easier to use on wildlife? probably, but a load of 00 buskshot usually does it.
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Why do people worry more if you argue with your voices than if you just talk with them? What about if you lose those arguements?
Slowly going crazy at work... they found a way to make the voices work too.
Why do people worry more if you argue with your voices than if you just talk with them? What about if you lose those arguements?
Slowly going crazy at work... they found a way to make the voices work too.
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chucklehead
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A firearm is a firearm, period! I can't stand this argument that some guns are bad, some are good. It's the person holding a firearm dictates the level of risk, if they are responsible with one type then no doubt they will be responsible with all types.
Non locking folders are safer for everyone, it deters people from using them against others. No-one really has a need for a locking folder, they just need a different tool. Only the police/military need locking folders.............................see how it just sounds as stupid when applied to other objects?!!
Non locking folders are safer for everyone, it deters people from using them against others. No-one really has a need for a locking folder, they just need a different tool. Only the police/military need locking folders.............................see how it just sounds as stupid when applied to other objects?!!
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"......and he that has no sword, let him sell his cloak and buy one." - Luke 22:36
Well out and around in the city, I think only law enforcement should have them. Out of the city, definitely rifle/shotgun for hunting. And in the home everyone should have something.
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DILATEDPEOPLES
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I choose the 4th one: "Only target and hunting guns should be sold. Assault rifles and pistols are for gangsters"
because it's the closest from my opinion but I want to precise something. I'm not against people having gun (I practice shooting since I'm 14), I'm just not in favor of people having access to any kind of gun (at least in my country :) ). Assault rifles and Machine guns might be fun to shoot but when I don't want to see them in everybody's hands (I"m not attacking anybody don't flame me
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In France fire weapons are classified in 3 main categories, mostly based on their gauge:
-Hunting weapons
-Defense/Sport weapons
-War weapons
these 3 categories are accessible to the public but of course paperwork and verification grow bigger with the importance of the category. (clean record is the minimum...).
because it's the closest from my opinion but I want to precise something. I'm not against people having gun (I practice shooting since I'm 14), I'm just not in favor of people having access to any kind of gun (at least in my country :) ). Assault rifles and Machine guns might be fun to shoot but when I don't want to see them in everybody's hands (I"m not attacking anybody don't flame me
)In France fire weapons are classified in 3 main categories, mostly based on their gauge:
-Hunting weapons
-Defense/Sport weapons
-War weapons
these 3 categories are accessible to the public but of course paperwork and verification grow bigger with the importance of the category. (clean record is the minimum...).
Alexandre.
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Simon G wrote:A firearm is a firearm, period! I can't stand this argument that some guns are bad, some are good. It's the person holding a firearm dictates the level of risk, if they are responsible with one type then no doubt they will be responsible with all types.
Non locking folders are safer for everyone, it deters people from using them against others. No-one really has a need for a locking folder, they just need a different tool. Only the police/military need locking folders.............................see how it just sounds as stupid when applied to other objects?!!
Whoaah! I thought you were being serious for a second mate! It would have been interesting to see the reaction to that one!
In the UK we don't have a lot of choice in the matter. Since February of 1998 virtually all handguns have been outlawed. The ban was introduced following the killing of 16 children and one teacher in Dunblane.
Alun Michael, the Home Office minister at the time said "By prohibiting handguns there will be fewer legally held weapons at risk of theft and being used in crime." I'd like to have him explain why there are many more crimes today involving the use of firearms! The ban did not work!
One of the parents wrote at the time "It is time to turn the tide against gun culture. Hand-guns were designed for one purpose only -to kill. They weren't banned after Hungerford because of the pressure of the gun lobby. Public safety was sacrificed to preserve a privilege for a minority who have had a disproportionate influence on our law-makers. Campaigning for a total ban on hand-guns will ensure that this country becomes a safer place."
Without over simplifying the situation the crimnals are the only members of the public who have access to and use guns.
Ken :mad:
None of the above!! :mad:
Every law abiding person should have the right to own any gun they want...BUT...Every community should have the right gun laws that pertain to them. NYC gun laws will not be practical here in the Adirondacks just like London's to the Highlands.
Every law abiding person should have the right to own any gun they want...BUT...Every community should have the right gun laws that pertain to them. NYC gun laws will not be practical here in the Adirondacks just like London's to the Highlands.
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Hannibal Lecter
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Back Up A Minute
[quote="Senate"]I'm just not in favor of people having access to any kind of gun (at least in my country :) ). Assault rifles and Machine guns might be fun to shoot but when I don't want to see them in everybody's hands (I"m not attacking anybody don't flame me ]
Hold up a moment. A few things need clarified here.
What truly by definition constitutes an "assault weapon" is a fully-automatic weapon capable of sustained rates of fire. CIVILIANS CANNOT GENERALLY OWN THESE ANYWAY, AND THEY SURE CAN'T POP DOWN TO THE CORNER GUN SHOP OR GUN SHOW AND BUY ONE!!! Everyone is trying to mislead the public into thinking that the SKS, AR-15, etc. are assault weapons. THEY ARE NOT! They are semi-automatic versions of assault weapons. The only way to own an honest "assault weapon" in the United States is to undergo a rigorous background check and then pay a $200 transfer fee over and above the cost of the gun itself. Any Class III fully automatic firearm comes with what amounts to a title that must remain with the gun at all times. This gun can then only be transferred to another individual who has paid the fee and undergone the same background check. This has been the LAW since about 1936, memory serving.
Thought some of you might want clarification of the state of affairs where gun control is concerned. I am a pistol instructor who spent ten years working for a large gun store; I have the background where this subject is concerned.
Ta,
H
Hold up a moment. A few things need clarified here.
What truly by definition constitutes an "assault weapon" is a fully-automatic weapon capable of sustained rates of fire. CIVILIANS CANNOT GENERALLY OWN THESE ANYWAY, AND THEY SURE CAN'T POP DOWN TO THE CORNER GUN SHOP OR GUN SHOW AND BUY ONE!!! Everyone is trying to mislead the public into thinking that the SKS, AR-15, etc. are assault weapons. THEY ARE NOT! They are semi-automatic versions of assault weapons. The only way to own an honest "assault weapon" in the United States is to undergo a rigorous background check and then pay a $200 transfer fee over and above the cost of the gun itself. Any Class III fully automatic firearm comes with what amounts to a title that must remain with the gun at all times. This gun can then only be transferred to another individual who has paid the fee and undergone the same background check. This has been the LAW since about 1936, memory serving.
Thought some of you might want clarification of the state of affairs where gun control is concerned. I am a pistol instructor who spent ten years working for a large gun store; I have the background where this subject is concerned.
Ta,
H
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spyderknut
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[quote="Hannibal Lecter"]Hold up a moment. A few things need clarified here.
What truly by definition constitutes an "assault weapon" is a fully-automatic weapon capable of sustained rates of fire. CIVILIANS CANNOT GENERALLY OWN THESE ANYWAY, AND THEY SURE CAN'T POP DOWN TO THE CORNER GUN SHOP OR GUN SHOW AND BUY ONE!!! Everyone is trying to mislead the public into thinking that the SKS, AR-15, etc. are assault weapons. THEY ARE NOT! They are semi-automatic versions of assault weapons. The only way to own an honest "assault weapon" in the United States is to undergo a rigorous background check and then pay a $200 transfer fee over and above the cost of the gun itself. Any Class III fully automatic firearm comes with what amounts to a title that must remain with the gun at all times. This gun can then only be transferred to another individual who has paid the fee and undergone the same background check. This has been the LAW since about 1936, memory serving.
Thought some of you might want clarification of the state of affairs where gun control is concerned. I am a pistol instructor who spent ten years working for a large gun store]
Here here Hannibal!
Clinton's assault weapons ban was a joke! There is not much functional difference between a Rem 700 and a semiauto AR-15. Limiting clip capacity to 10 rounds and banning bayonnett lugs did little to change that fact.
I keep a handgun in each vehicle "just in case". If my vehicle is boken into and it is stolen, one more gun in the hands of criminals is a drop in the bucket.
I really tire of the "more civilized than thou" attitude of some of the Europeans on the forums. I was born in Europe, have family there and have lived there. Similarly, I also tire of socialist mindsets on both sides of the pond.
Back to guns, the good guys should have 'em. Lots of them!
What truly by definition constitutes an "assault weapon" is a fully-automatic weapon capable of sustained rates of fire. CIVILIANS CANNOT GENERALLY OWN THESE ANYWAY, AND THEY SURE CAN'T POP DOWN TO THE CORNER GUN SHOP OR GUN SHOW AND BUY ONE!!! Everyone is trying to mislead the public into thinking that the SKS, AR-15, etc. are assault weapons. THEY ARE NOT! They are semi-automatic versions of assault weapons. The only way to own an honest "assault weapon" in the United States is to undergo a rigorous background check and then pay a $200 transfer fee over and above the cost of the gun itself. Any Class III fully automatic firearm comes with what amounts to a title that must remain with the gun at all times. This gun can then only be transferred to another individual who has paid the fee and undergone the same background check. This has been the LAW since about 1936, memory serving.
Thought some of you might want clarification of the state of affairs where gun control is concerned. I am a pistol instructor who spent ten years working for a large gun store]
Here here Hannibal!
Clinton's assault weapons ban was a joke! There is not much functional difference between a Rem 700 and a semiauto AR-15. Limiting clip capacity to 10 rounds and banning bayonnett lugs did little to change that fact.
I keep a handgun in each vehicle "just in case". If my vehicle is boken into and it is stolen, one more gun in the hands of criminals is a drop in the bucket.
I really tire of the "more civilized than thou" attitude of some of the Europeans on the forums. I was born in Europe, have family there and have lived there. Similarly, I also tire of socialist mindsets on both sides of the pond.
Back to guns, the good guys should have 'em. Lots of them!
Ditto Ken,UK KEN wrote: ...
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Without over simplifying the situation the criminals are the only members of the public who have access to and use guns.
Ken :mad:
This has long been my opinion of 'gun control.' Things over here are certainly different than in the EU concerning the laws, though. I have been around guns my whole life; I respect them as dangerous weapons with specific uses and also as beautiful works of utilitarian art possessing tremendous value to the right collector. I own my fair share, but since finding spent lead at my feet in my local range :eek: , I've not 'played' as much as I would like---I much would rather visit my folks and go shooting down there than risk catching a stray ricochet at my range up here.
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Europeans
Spyderknut
Speaking for myself, I have never considered myself as an individual or my fellow countrymen as more civilised than you or other Americans. I have met and communicated with a good number of you guys and most hold very similar views on knives and guns to my own. (Not necessarily acceptable to everyone but what opinions are?)
With respect, I think that it is too easy to forget that we are in different countries with very different histories and different cultures and laws as a result. Had we had a second amendment I think that we would not be as strictly regulated in the UK as we are today! It would be wonderful if we all had the rights afforded to you by your constitution but as we have not we have (generally) become complacent and tend to sit back when new laws are introduced and give in without too much of a fight!
I can only relate to present circumstances within the UK and some of Europe and say much though I personally would enjoy owning, using and carrying a firearm, for 99.99% of the time it would not be necessary. This is not to say that you shouldn’t! Trust me, If I lived over there my marriage would be in serious trouble because of the money I would spend on guns and ammo!
As a lad I used to hunt for rabbits using a Winchester style .22 rifle on my uncles farm. Even this in certain quarters (in the UK) is considered to be “too much gun” and the landowners who allow me to shoot their rabbits and other vermin prefer me to use my Webley FX 2000 air rifle! Things are that bad over here!
People and attitudes over here aren’t any more civilised or advanced……..just fundamentally different because our development as countries has been so different.
Regards, Ken
Speaking for myself, I have never considered myself as an individual or my fellow countrymen as more civilised than you or other Americans. I have met and communicated with a good number of you guys and most hold very similar views on knives and guns to my own. (Not necessarily acceptable to everyone but what opinions are?)
With respect, I think that it is too easy to forget that we are in different countries with very different histories and different cultures and laws as a result. Had we had a second amendment I think that we would not be as strictly regulated in the UK as we are today! It would be wonderful if we all had the rights afforded to you by your constitution but as we have not we have (generally) become complacent and tend to sit back when new laws are introduced and give in without too much of a fight!
I can only relate to present circumstances within the UK and some of Europe and say much though I personally would enjoy owning, using and carrying a firearm, for 99.99% of the time it would not be necessary. This is not to say that you shouldn’t! Trust me, If I lived over there my marriage would be in serious trouble because of the money I would spend on guns and ammo!
As a lad I used to hunt for rabbits using a Winchester style .22 rifle on my uncles farm. Even this in certain quarters (in the UK) is considered to be “too much gun” and the landowners who allow me to shoot their rabbits and other vermin prefer me to use my Webley FX 2000 air rifle! Things are that bad over here!
People and attitudes over here aren’t any more civilised or advanced……..just fundamentally different because our development as countries has been so different.
Regards, Ken