Please do not come out with stupid macho names for your products.
I unfortunately refer to the Paramilitary, which otherwise looks to be a great knife.
That's really dumb.
I really don't think anyone whom you want to buy your products is going to use a pocket knife to engage in paramilitary activity.
Yes, my request may seem pollyannish or PC but think about it. Lots of law abiding people who carry knives get stopped by police, and if a search turns up a knife with the word "Paramilitary" on it, how do you thing that officer is going to react?
People have used knives to legally defend themselves and nevertheless see trial. How is a defense attorney supposed to explain a knife named "Paramilitary?"
Please think about this and don't ruin it for some of us. Thanks.
A Plea to Spyderco
What a fantastic first post buddy...
I doubt that Sal will change the name of his knife just before it hits the streets because you want to call it something sheeple happy. Para stands for "around". The Paramilitary is a smaller Military that carries better. It is easy to carry "around" with you. Get it?
One more thing. If a police officer takes your knife away from you for what ever reason, the name of the knife will have nothing to do with you getting it back or not.
Edited by - Toolin on 11/19/2003 3:21:44 PM
I doubt that Sal will change the name of his knife just before it hits the streets because you want to call it something sheeple happy. Para stands for "around". The Paramilitary is a smaller Military that carries better. It is easy to carry "around" with you. Get it?
One more thing. If a police officer takes your knife away from you for what ever reason, the name of the knife will have nothing to do with you getting it back or not.
Edited by - Toolin on 11/19/2003 3:21:44 PM
and what change name to "ParaKiller" ?
its better, because ...attorney doesnt need explain nothing ..
Simona V. :: joyful girl from the Prague, Czech Republic, www.myspyderco.tk
its better, because ...attorney doesnt need explain nothing ..
Simona V. :: joyful girl from the Prague, Czech Republic, www.myspyderco.tk
Welcome to the forum, guest.
As a long-time Spyderco user and longer-time L.E.O. I feel qualified to comment.
My impression of the name "Paramilitary" is that it would be the dimminutive of the name "Military." The "Military" being the full-size example, the "Paramilitary" would then be the 'near' or 'almost' Military. The knife could be named the "Para-Cuddly-Bunny." I suspect that the name has very little to do with who will ultimately buy, or not buy, this or any other knife.
All that being said, I suspect that I speak for many if not all of the other L.E.O.'s here. When I encounter knives or other weapons at work, I really couldn't care less what the name of the knife is. I care about where, when, how and upon whom it is found. I care about whether and when the knife would be used to harm me or someone else. Interestingly, in about 25 years law enforcement I have probably not seized more than five or six of what the folks on this forum would consider to be quality knives.
Give us L.E.O.'s credit for having half a brain! :D
Ben "No good deed goes unpunished"
As a long-time Spyderco user and longer-time L.E.O. I feel qualified to comment.
My impression of the name "Paramilitary" is that it would be the dimminutive of the name "Military." The "Military" being the full-size example, the "Paramilitary" would then be the 'near' or 'almost' Military. The knife could be named the "Para-Cuddly-Bunny." I suspect that the name has very little to do with who will ultimately buy, or not buy, this or any other knife.
All that being said, I suspect that I speak for many if not all of the other L.E.O.'s here. When I encounter knives or other weapons at work, I really couldn't care less what the name of the knife is. I care about where, when, how and upon whom it is found. I care about whether and when the knife would be used to harm me or someone else. Interestingly, in about 25 years law enforcement I have probably not seized more than five or six of what the folks on this forum would consider to be quality knives.
Give us L.E.O.'s credit for having half a brain! :D
Ben "No good deed goes unpunished"
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This is a very valid point. You can call it "inane" all you want, but that doesn't change a thing.
You know, it's interesting to see the difference in reactions between this forum and other placed where I've posed the question.
I would love to buy a Spyderco Paramilitary, but I'm not going to buy and carry something that has a dumb macho name emblazoned on it for marketing purposes. And I'm not the only person who feels that way.
You know, it's interesting to see the difference in reactions between this forum and other placed where I've posed the question.
I would love to buy a Spyderco Paramilitary, but I'm not going to buy and carry something that has a dumb macho name emblazoned on it for marketing purposes. And I'm not the only person who feels that way.
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guest
The fact that you feel that the name is "dumb" "stupid" and "macho" doesn't change anything either. Most of the members of this Forum will buy the Paramilitary, because of the Spyderco name. This is what we are interested - the leading edge design, materials and manufacturing - not the model name. If you make your purchase decisions based on model name, it's my opinion that you will lose out on this one.
David
p.s. It is usually good form, on this and other forums, to contribute a little first rather than just jumping in with the negative posts - a first post slam is commonly a "troll" technique.
"Not all who wander are lost"
The fact that you feel that the name is "dumb" "stupid" and "macho" doesn't change anything either. Most of the members of this Forum will buy the Paramilitary, because of the Spyderco name. This is what we are interested - the leading edge design, materials and manufacturing - not the model name. If you make your purchase decisions based on model name, it's my opinion that you will lose out on this one.
David
p.s. It is usually good form, on this and other forums, to contribute a little first rather than just jumping in with the negative posts - a first post slam is commonly a "troll" technique.
"Not all who wander are lost"
Welcome to the Forum guest! This has been brought up many times. Give the LEO's out there credit. If you are waling around looking like trouble then you will find it. I actually aproached a police officer about the legallity of my Military. He could not figure out the liner lock but the big letters on the knife didn't faze him at all.
Comparing forums is not a courteous thing to do, obviously posting this on the Spyderco Forum will get you an answer. Its like posting on the Emerson Forum that Kandahar is a stupid name linking the knife to "terrorist attacks" I was never a believer that a name could change the way a tool was looked at. I hope you stick around we have a great forum and you can learn lots here too. Take Care!!!
"everything else is just a jeep"
Comparing forums is not a courteous thing to do, obviously posting this on the Spyderco Forum will get you an answer. Its like posting on the Emerson Forum that Kandahar is a stupid name linking the knife to "terrorist attacks" I was never a believer that a name could change the way a tool was looked at. I hope you stick around we have a great forum and you can learn lots here too. Take Care!!!
"everything else is just a jeep"
i can see your point, that name may seem macho, but look at spyderco over all. the kiwi, salsa, delica, endura, ATR, all of these are non offensive, discriptive names. Spyderco has always been known for making workhorse type blades, they are what you need and nothing more. The paramillie is ment to describe the fact that it is a smaller millie. Spyderco is not a tactical company, get your facts strait before you shoot your mouth off
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Guest,
You raise a valid point. I would sugguest pehaps a less threatening name say along the lines of "Civilian" so no one would have reason to suspect it or to go further name it the "Police" that way when stopped and asked if you have a knife the officer will feel pride and overlook the large, illegal to carry in an occasional city, state, or even country, bladed honorarium.
No guest your plea is not inane but it has been answered before and here most elloquently by fozzy and others. Considerable thought goes into the ramifications of naming the knives and as Sal has said there are many legalities that must be researched and completed before the name is applied. The Paramilitary has undergone this inspection and no reason to change has been found. Spyderco builds solid dependable users. If some paramilitary force adopts these as tools of choice it is for the hard use reason alone. Our military is full of Enduras. Crickets, Ladybugs, and yes even Military models. What you chose to do with your knife will decide its legality. It's a tool first and a weapon only when you decide to use it as such.
Welcome to the Forum. There is plenty to learn here about knives and their use. I hope you stay and learn to play well with the rest of us.
Stay safe! Stay sharp!
You raise a valid point. I would sugguest pehaps a less threatening name say along the lines of "Civilian" so no one would have reason to suspect it or to go further name it the "Police" that way when stopped and asked if you have a knife the officer will feel pride and overlook the large, illegal to carry in an occasional city, state, or even country, bladed honorarium.
No guest your plea is not inane but it has been answered before and here most elloquently by fozzy and others. Considerable thought goes into the ramifications of naming the knives and as Sal has said there are many legalities that must be researched and completed before the name is applied. The Paramilitary has undergone this inspection and no reason to change has been found. Spyderco builds solid dependable users. If some paramilitary force adopts these as tools of choice it is for the hard use reason alone. Our military is full of Enduras. Crickets, Ladybugs, and yes even Military models. What you chose to do with your knife will decide its legality. It's a tool first and a weapon only when you decide to use it as such.
Welcome to the Forum. There is plenty to learn here about knives and their use. I hope you stay and learn to play well with the rest of us.
Stay safe! Stay sharp!
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Hmmmm... Guest, are you objecting to macho names, or "stupid" macho names? <img src="wink.gif" width=15 height=15 align=middle border=0><img src="spyder.gif" width=15 height=15 align=middle border=0><img src="wink.gif" width=15 height=15 align=middle border=0>
This appears to be a case wherein context and perception are everything. My guess is that nary a forumite nor any employee of spyderco would have considered the name "Para Military" in the context of "Macho." Para Military merely describes the relation of this new knife to its elder sibling - the Military.
Welcome to the forum
Chuck
There is no right way to do a wrong thing
This appears to be a case wherein context and perception are everything. My guess is that nary a forumite nor any employee of spyderco would have considered the name "Para Military" in the context of "Macho." Para Military merely describes the relation of this new knife to its elder sibling - the Military.
Welcome to the forum
Chuck
There is no right way to do a wrong thing
I think some of you are being a bit harsh on Guest. He raises a valid concern about knife names and public perception. Now for most forumites that may not be a critical concern, but if you ever have to go before a jury they might think otherwise. Massad Ayoob has written extensively on the subject. The biggest objection I've read to the Para is the placing of the name prominantly on the blade. To those who think that Spyderco doesn't make "tactical" products, I guess that would depend on your definition, but I would beg to differ.
Best regards,
Argyll
Edited to correct the usual typos
Edited by - argyll on 11/20/2003 12:47:53 PM
Best regards,
Argyll
Edited to correct the usual typos
Edited by - argyll on 11/20/2003 12:47:53 PM
Possibly a good point, just not put over well.
I don't mind what any knife is called, but I really would prefer it if it wasn't put on the blade.
Here in the UK it is very much against the law for anyone to sell, market or carry any knife that is designed for combat or self defence.
This means that the Military, and soon to be Para-Military, are technically against the law in this country no matter what purpose they are used for, and it definately doesn't help that the name appears on the blade.
Personally I would much prefer a plain blade.
Walk softly, carry a big stick.
I don't mind what any knife is called, but I really would prefer it if it wasn't put on the blade.
Here in the UK it is very much against the law for anyone to sell, market or carry any knife that is designed for combat or self defence.
This means that the Military, and soon to be Para-Military, are technically against the law in this country no matter what purpose they are used for, and it definately doesn't help that the name appears on the blade.
Personally I would much prefer a plain blade.
Walk softly, carry a big stick.