Kopa satus (the new Caly 2.5?)

[JRinFL]

It just did not sell well enough fro Spyderco to keep it in the line up. I'm not sure why, maybe due it being originally released when the market was looking for massively overbuilt folders? With the resurgence of smaller blades these days maybe we will see a re-release.

Hi Jim,

The Kopa model sold well, especially at the limited numbers that we made. In fact I've heard some pretty high worth figures for collections. One customer had their collection stolen and the insurance payment was far more than the original cost of the collection.

We stopped making them because the maker was having problems with health issues and wasn't able to get the quality with some of the materials that we were trying to use, so we ended the program.

Hi Tristan_David,

We'll draw up a Caly 2.5 and make prototype.

sal

Thanks Sal for the correction.

I am aware of the high secondary prices which explains why I only have two. I loved the blending of modern Spyderco elements with traditional elements. It would be great to see something along those lines return to the line up someday.

[Bolster]

I probably shouldn’t have posed that as a question. A Caly 2.5” is just a locking Urban.

One of the things I like most about the Caly series is the butt of the handle, it is almost a teardrop shape with no hook. The urban has the hook. So I hope it's not merely a locking Urban, but it might be.

[Mushroom]

I probably shouldn’t have posed that as a question. A Caly 2.5” is just a locking Urban.

One of the things I like most about the Caly series is the butt of the handle, it is almost a teardrop shape with no hook. The urban has the hook. So I hope it's not merely a locking Urban, but it might be.

It will be.

The Caly 3 is to the UKPK as a Caly 2.5 will be to the Urban.

[Tristan_david2001]

I probably shouldn’t have posed that as a question. A Caly 2.5” is just a locking Urban.

One of the things I like most about the Caly series is the butt of the handle, it is almost a teardrop shape with no hook. The urban has the hook. So I hope it's not merely a locking Urban, but it might be.

It will be.

The Caly 3 is to the UKPK as a Caly 2.5 will be to the Urban.

You don’t know that.

[Mushroom]

Ok

[Tristan_david2001]

Take your bad attitude else where please mushroom

[Mushroom]

I don’t have a bad attitude, you’re just upset that you’re not getting what you want.

I’m excited for the locking Urban Sal announced he will prototype in this thread.

[Tristan_david2001]

I don’t have a bad attitude, you’re just upset that you’re not getting what you want.

I’m excited for the locking Urban Sal announced he will prototype in this thread.

Nope. You’re back and fourth discourse has just turned immature. I don’t know if I’m getting what I want. All I’m doing is suggesting the concept for the 2.5, you’ve continuously been trying to shoot it down in a subtle way and argue the thing you want, disrespectful and kinda derailed the point of my thread.

[Mushroom]

I don’t have a bad attitude, you’re just upset that you’re not getting what you want.

I’m excited for the locking Urban Sal announced he will prototype in this thread.

Nope. You’re back and fourth discourse has just turned immature. I don’t know if I’m getting what I want. All I’m doing is suggesting the concept for the 2.5, you’ve continuously been trying to shoot it down in a subtle way and argue the thing you want, disrespectful and kinda derailed the point of my thread.

Did you miss Sals post, directly after mine, where he confirmed it will be very close to an Urban?

You suggested a concept for a Caly 2.5 and Sal almost immediately answered your request by giving you what you asked for, minus the personal request for hybridization of the Kopa.

I’m not shooting anything down (if I was, believe me, it wouldn’t be subtle), I’m just thinking about it logically and rationally. What makes you think the Kopa has anything to do with the Caly platform? They kind of look alike? They’re entirely different models that have next to nothing in common.

If you wanted a Kopa return, you should’ve just ask for that. Don’t conceptualize a Caly 2.5 if you want a Kopa, they’re not the same. That’s like saying make a 3 inch Kopa so I can have a locking UKPK.

[ladybug93]

this thread has turned into a really weird and unnecessary argument.

[Tristan_david2001]

I don’t have a bad attitude, you’re just upset that you’re not getting what you want.

I’m excited for the locking Urban Sal announced he will prototype in this thread.

Nope. You’re back and fourth discourse has just turned immature. I don’t know if I’m getting what I want. All I’m doing is suggesting the concept for the 2.5, you’ve continuously been trying to shoot it down in a subtle way and argue the thing you want, disrespectful and kinda derailed the point of my thread.

Did you miss Sals post, directly after mine, where he confirmed it will be very close to an Urban?

You suggested a concept for a Caly 2.5 and Sal almost immediately answered your request by giving you what you asked for, minus the personal request for hybridization of the Kopa.

I’m not shooting anything down (if I was, believe me, it wouldn’t be subtle), I’m just thinking about it logically and rationally. What makes you think the Kopa has anything to do with the Caly platform? They kind of look alike? They’re entirely different models that have next to nothing in common.

If you wanted a Kopa return, you should’ve just ask for that. Don’t conceptualize a Caly 2.5 if you want a Kopa, they’re not the same. That’s like saying make a 3 inch Kopa so I can have a locking UKPK.

No I didn’t miss that post, he said it will be close, which to me is fine. Because the urban, Caly and kopa all use the same basic ergonomic Handle and blade shape, their biggest differences are size. I hope the 2.5 is more slender compared to the urban to fit in with the Caly series. Just because the urban derives from the ukpk/caly 3 design doesn’t directly mean that has to be the 2.5, the urban can be it’s own U.K. legal non locking folder.

Why are you telling me what I should have asked for? You’re getting that confused with what you’d rather see. instead of the stubborn back and fourth you could have just stated your opinion and moved on.

[Tristan_david2001]

Very quick mock up sketch I just did of the kopa with a few caly ish adjustments to give a bit of a visual of along the lines look of what I’m proposing.

[Tristan_david2001]

[Saucerito]

Well, this thread has taken a turn…

Obviously, Sal mentioned that a Caly 2.5 would be very similar to a locking Urban.

I’m interested in hearing the actual reasons (not the argument that’s been going on) that a Caly 2.5 would be closer to a locking Urban than a Kopa. To my untrained eye (and never having handled either), the form and narrowness of the Kopa looks like it came straight out of the Caly series while the urban looks similar but wider/stubby. Does this come down to blade thickness, handle thickness, or something else that can’t easily be seen with side view pictures?

[JRinFL]

Yes,

Very close to an Urban. Different maker and probably different materials.

sal

In case people missed it.

[Tristan_david2001]

I’m interested in hearing the actual reasons (not the argument that’s been going on) that a Caly 2.5 would be closer to a locking Urban than a Kopa. To my untrained eye (and never having handled either), the form and narrowness of the Kopa looks like it came straight out of the Caly series while the urban looks similar but wider/stubby. Does this come down to blade thickness, handle thickness, or something else that can’t easily be seen with side view pictures?

Kopa and calys are the same blade thickness, the urban is a little thinner blade stock as I’m aware of. To me that doesn’t sound like an untrained eye’s judgement, because you’re right, the kopa is very similarly shaped to a Caly 3, but smaller. Arguably more so than the urban.

[ladybug93]

it looks like the caly family has a more negative blade angle than the kopa, but it doesn't look super obvious. i wouldn't argue with sal that they're similar.

[Tristan_david2001]

it looks like the caly family has a more negative blade angle than the kopa, but it doesn't look super obvious. i wouldn't argue with sal that they're similar.

Maybe slightly, the models in the calypso series all vary subtly in different ways. & I don’t believe Sal would argue that the kopa has little to no similarities to the Caly 3.

[Mushroom]

Well, this thread has taken a turn…

Obviously, Sal mentioned that a Caly 2.5 would be very similar to a locking Urban.

I’m interested in hearing the actual reasons (not the argument that’s been going on) that a Caly 2.5 would be closer to a locking Urban than a Kopa. To my untrained eye (and never having handled either), the form and narrowness of the Kopa looks like it came straight out of the Caly series while the urban looks similar but wider/stubby. Does this come down to blade thickness, handle thickness, or something else that can’t easily be seen with side view pictures?

I don’t believe it requires a trained eye to see that they’re different designs in more ways than not but if you’re unable to, I would attribute that to your self-proclaimed untrained eye. The Kopa is unrelated to the Caly series. The handle is not the same, nor is the blade. They’re entirely different designs. They may look kind of similar but a lot of Spyderco knives look similar.

The Urban uses the same handle and blade as the UKPK, except the Urban is shorter. The UKPK is basically a slipjoint Caly 3. It only makes sense that a Caly 2.5 would end up being the locking version of it’s slipjoint counterpart, the Urban. (Which has now been confirmed by Sal) If that’s not what the OP wanted, he shouldn’t have asked for it.

[Tristan_david2001]

Couple things to note though, the urban wasn’t made to be apart of the Caly series/family of models. Yes it’s handle and blade are similar to and a descendant of the ukpk, but its apart of a line that’s intended for general user edc slipjoints, so it has that leeway for some distinct Caly features to be changed. Sal never confirmed the 2.5 will literally be an urban with a lock, *very close* to an urban can still mean it will have a slender profile relative to its length, therefore being a knife that would very closely resemble a kopas design, which is what I was asking for. Quite tired of the muddling at this point folks.