i agree that the wharncliffe is polarizing, but it's become popular enough for the delica to have multiple other steels as regular production offerings, and the yojimbo and yojumbo are clearly popular as well. even the mcbee seems to be getting love.JSumm wrote: ↑Tue Jan 03, 2023 7:02 pmI think those are good thoughts. I would love to see the Leaf Jumper in K390 quick like. I do think the Rock Jumper may suffer from Wharncliffe blues too. It is a little polarizing in it looks (not functionality). I believe the Wharncliffe market size is smaller. The Leaf Jumper, to your point should quickly see some K390 at least. Hopefully in 2023, some Dealers will even grab it for some exclusives. As much as I love the Endura and Endela, I think the Leaf Jumper is less polarizing in the ergos. I would guess (don't know) that the Stretch 2 in K390 was a success.
for sure. aesthetics are important to a degree. i don't think there is anything less attractive about the rockjumper versus the delica or endela wharncliffe though, except the delica looks better closed, in my opinion. do you find the rockjumper less pleasing to the eye? i think it would be far superior in hand at least.mikey177 wrote: ↑Tue Jan 03, 2023 7:21 pmI might be in the minority here, but I personally put design and aesthetics over steel type when I decide on buying a knife.
I passed on buying a Watu for years even if was offered in 20CV as it took me a long time to warm up to its radical looks.
I bought the Astute even if it only came in 8Cr13, as most of my knives never see any extensive daily cutting activity anyway.
Even talking about other brands, I pass on a lot of the newer ZT models that come in premium steels because none of them appeal to me visually.
I agree though that more people might buy a certain model if it was offered with different steel types. That is something that Spyderco needs to evaluate as regards cost and potential benefit.
ladybug93 wrote: ↑Tue Jan 03, 2023 6:10 pmif spyderco were to keep the vg10 in the lineup at the lower cost and add something like k390 (personally, i'd like to see salts too, but i know that typically means different molds are required), there would likely be a lot more positive commentary about the knife online, thereby selling more of each steel offering.
even when bhq had the endura wharncliffe on sale for $40 recently, i didn't buy it because i really wanted that model in k390 instead of vg10 and if i bought it in vg10, that's $40 less to spend on knives and i'd be even less likely to be able to justify the k390 version of a knife i already had. i'm kicking myself for that decision a little right now, but i'm just not interested in vg10 when i already have a bunch of knives in that low-mid level of steel. and for models that come in lc200n, i'd rather buy that than vg10 too. if i'm going to have lower edge retention (which is perfectly fine for me and my uses) it might as well be a salt.Bolster wrote: ↑Tue Jan 03, 2023 7:46 pm
And you KNOW that's going to happen; it's the standard response: "VG10 is a great steel." Etc. But as you look around the marketplace, you see a lot of PM steels being offered (and to be fair, as you imply, Spyderco does offer the newer PM super-steels in exclusives and sprints and most-popular models). I suspect the knife-buying niche of the marketplace has become a LOT more steel-conscious in the past decade...I know I have...there's so much more information now available on steels. So it'll be a challenge for Spyderco to chase the ever-changing customer base as it becomes ever more steel-selective.
My own stance is that a knife would absolutely have to blow me away, to buy it in VG10 (or S30V).
you didn't want a stretch xl. now you do. now you'll probably post about it. the more you post about it, the more others will notice it. the more others notice it, the more they will buy it. the more buy it, the more are talking about it. the more are talking about it, the more people buy it. that's my point. joe sixpack that buys a knife at big 5 isn't buying a spyderco. he's not even getting a tenacious there anymore, so we don't need to worry about him so much. but, a lot more people shop online these days. they can easily look up knives at the online retailers and see videos on youtube and see pictures on instagram and more pictures and discussions about the models on the forums. those people want to see other people excited about the knives to know if it's worth spending a little extra over the chinese knives flooding the market.RustyIron wrote: ↑Tue Jan 03, 2023 7:51 pmladybug93 wrote: ↑Tue Jan 03, 2023 6:10 pmif spyderco were to keep the vg10 in the lineup at the lower cost and add something like k390 (personally, i'd like to see salts too, but i know that typically means different molds are required), there would likely be a lot more positive commentary about the knife online, thereby selling more of each steel offering.
If there's a knife that looks interesting, but it comes in a steel that doesn't intrigue me, I'll pass on it. Don't blame me, it's not my fault. It's Sal's fault. Spyderco designs good knifes and uses interesting steel, so I don't have to settle for a knife that doesn't check all the boxes. And there are enough knives that do check all the boxes that I'm not left wanting if this season's models don't excite me.
An example of this is the Stretch 2 XL. That's a COOL looking knife. When it came out, the blade was a non-starter for me. But now that it's being done in Cru-Wear, it's really got my attention.
Another example is the 15v Manix. I was in no way interested in a Plain Jane Manix. But stick a slab of 15V in there, and I'm embarrassed to tell you how much time I spent in order to get one.
But those examples only apply to weirdos like you and me: Knife Geek Forum Trolls who won't be satisfied with the mundane. Do our opinions reflect those of Joe Sixpack who buys his knives at Big 5? Would the added expense of material and labor push him over to the Benchmade display? I certainly don't know. But maybe the Big Wigs smoking Cuban cigars and sipping bourbon in the boardroom at Spyderco really do have a handle on the best way to market knives.
ladybug93 wrote: ↑Tue Jan 03, 2023 7:27 pm
for sure. aesthetics are important to a degree. i don't think there is anything less attractive about the rockjumper versus the delica or endela wharncliffe though, except the delica looks better closed, in my opinion. do you find the rockjumper less pleasing to the eye? i think it would be far superior in hand at least.
yes. of course. like it or not, everything we say here is searchable and used by people to make decisions. it's just the way it is. i came back to spyderco because i wanted a rust proof knife and ended up with a pacific salt. i stayed for many other models partially because of what i was reading and i really liked everything i ended up getting. you potentially sell spyderco knives with every positive word you put on this forum.RustyIron wrote: ↑Tue Jan 03, 2023 8:15 pm
that sounds a lot like...
Generally, I agree, it’s not a bad thing for knife companies. Especially when the marketing of new steels can be used to their advantage.Bolster wrote: ↑Tue Jan 03, 2023 9:41 pm
I don't think the increasing level of steel snobbery is a bad thing for companies that make and sell knives. Now there's one more sure-fire way to attract buyers.
For instance, imagine what upcoming Magnacut folders are going to do for Spyderco's sales volume.
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