H-2 vs. H-1

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Re: H-2 vs. H-1

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Larrin posted a detailed article “H2 Steel – H1 the sequel”:

https://knifesteelnerds.com/2022/06/06/ ... he-sequel/

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Conclusions and Summary

The development of H2 seems to have occurred by necessity because of availability rather than a need for improving its properties, though that doesn’t mean that the properties can’t be improved, of course. Overall I expect the properties between H1 and H2 to be similar. H2 will maintain the very high levels of corrosion resistance and toughness of H1, and also its relatively low hardness and wear resistance. The most interesting question to me is whether H2 achieves the same level of hardness as H1 or if it has dropped by a point or two on the Rc scale. We will see as knives are released.
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Re: H-2 vs. H-1

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Interesting. I love H1. I hope H2 has the same hardness, and ease of sharpening.
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vivi wrote:
Mon Jun 06, 2022 8:18 pm
warms my heart rightfully seeing someone call H1 a super steel.
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Anyone have a link to vivis thread on h1 sharpening?
viewtopic.php?t=90089 - pacific salt thread

viewtopic.php?t=85096 - low grit sharpening thread

tldr - 10dps 300 grit edge cuts at least 4x longer than a factory edge when slicing rope and cardboard.
Ok I gave it a try on my ladybug as best I could. I don't think I quite got to 10 dps. Cut the crap out of my thumb in the process, too. You can also see I didn't quite do so well on the heel or tip. Amateur sharpener here.

Let's see how it goes!

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Hey I've done much worse than that! Bet that'll chew up cardboard now.
I still do much worse than that. In fact, I may have to give up and send my Salt 1 in for a sharpening.
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Re: H-2 vs. H-1

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The September 2022 edition of Spyderco byte includes the following:


Transition from H-1 to H-2

As we announced earlier this year, due to dynamic changes in the Japanese steel industry, H-1 steel—a material central to the production of our best-selling Salt® Series—is no longer being produced. Fortunately, thanks to our close, longstanding relationships with our manufacturing partners in Japan, Spyderco has helped drive the development of a new ultra-corrosion-resistant steel—H-2.

In simple terms, H-2 takes the time-tested alloy composition and manufacturing processes of H-1 and refines them even further. The result is a steel that faithfully retains all the extraordinary qualities of the original, while being readily manufacturable in today’s industrial climate.

Spyderco is pleased to announce that the transition from H-1 to H-2 steel is in full swing and that Salt Series knives featuring H-2 blades will begin shipping very soon. The first H-2-bladed models to arrive from Japan are members of the Atlantic Salt™, Pacific Salt™, and Dragonfly™ 2 Salt families. These will also be the first to be shipped into the market, followed by additional models as they arrive. As always, the availability of specific models and edge configurations may vary—especially during the early phases of the transition.

We’re very excited to introduce the world to H-2 and appreciate your patience and understanding during this process.
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I'm eager to read reviews about H2, while hopeful, but not confident that it will equal H-1. No matter, I suppose, since H1 is gone.
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Re: H-2 vs. H-1

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yeah... i wish spyderco wasn't putting it "in simple terms" or being cryptic about the differences in composition and performance. has this steel even been tested? it sounds like this was a relatively quick move. why else are we not hearing more about it's performance?
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Larrin had an incisive question:

“The most interesting question to me is whether H2 achieves the same level of hardness as H1 or if it has dropped by a point or two on the Rc scale. We will see as knives are released.”
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This steel(s) certainly do not need to lose even one point in hardness.
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Wow , looks like this may be a wait and see how this steel shakes out . I’ve been tossing around a Pacific SE , I may go with H1 and later just try out H2 in a Dragonfly , which will get a lot of pocket time in right pocket . MG2
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Accutron wrote:
Tue May 31, 2022 1:48 pm
Reducing carbon and nitrogen by more than 1/3 will probably do nothing good for edge retention. Increased corrosion resistance over H-1 is basically useless unless you're cutting car batteries. Better get your H-1 while you still can.
Just ordered another pacific salt 2 H1 because of this. I’m hold it back to compare to the new H2 version.
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The days of the fluffer are coming to an end.

Boston Robotics announced they are finally releasing their Robo-Fluff, which had been delayed for years by a series of unfortunate accidents in Research and Development. ;)


Some of my H-1.

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Nice knives too.
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The H2 is out in the wild. I received an H2 Pac Salt SE. I am sure someone will get testing the H2 soon enough.
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Mrj wrote:
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Accutron wrote:
Tue May 31, 2022 1:48 pm
Reducing carbon and nitrogen by more than 1/3 will probably do nothing good for edge retention. Increased corrosion resistance over H-1 is basically useless unless you're cutting car batteries. Better get your H-1 while you still can.
Just ordered another pacific salt 2 H1 because of this. I’m hold it back to compare to the new H2 version.
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dan31 wrote:
Mon Jan 09, 2023 3:13 pm
The H2 is out in the wild. I received an H2 Pac Salt SE. I am sure someone will get testing the H2 soon enough.
I've been looking for any type of H2 Salt, and only run across an Atlantic, which I don't want. Where did you find a Pacific?
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Coastal wrote:
Thu Jan 12, 2023 2:17 pm
dan31 wrote:
Mon Jan 09, 2023 3:13 pm
The H2 is out in the wild. I received an H2 Pac Salt SE. I am sure someone will get testing the H2 soon enough.
I've been looking for any type of H2 Salt, and only run across an Atlantic, which I don't want. Where did you find a Pacific?
National Knives had some, but they are sold out.

Knife Works currently have some.
https://knifeworks.com/spyderco-pacific ... rn-handle/
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JSumm wrote:
Thu Jan 12, 2023 2:30 pm
Coastal wrote:
Thu Jan 12, 2023 2:17 pm
dan31 wrote:
Mon Jan 09, 2023 3:13 pm
The H2 is out in the wild. I received an H2 Pac Salt SE. I am sure someone will get testing the H2 soon enough.
I've been looking for any type of H2 Salt, and only run across an Atlantic, which I don't want. Where did you find a Pacific?
National Knives had some, but they are sold out.

Knife Works currently have some.
https://knifeworks.com/spyderco-pacific ... rn-handle/
Even though I said "any" kind, I really meant any kind of PE: Pac Salt 2, Salt 2, Dragonfly... Thanks anyway. At least we know they're out there.
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I just picked up an H2 Atlantic at my local shop to take to work with me. The Atlantic is my work knife anyway so it's a good opportunity to beat on H2 a little bit. I'll let everyone know how it goes!
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SchoonerBum wrote:
Thu Jan 12, 2023 4:55 pm
I just picked up an H2 Atlantic at my local shop to take to work with me. The Atlantic is my work knife anyway so it's a good opportunity to beat on H2 a little bit. I'll let everyone know how it goes!
can't wait to hear how it goes!
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