Dragonfly need to be updated - need input

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Dragonfly need to be updated - need input

Postby sal » Mon Sep 01, 2003 12:00 am

We think it's time to update the Dragonfly. We would be interested in your opinion as to what would make it a better knife.



What will make it jump higher and run faster?

What will make it more user friendly and ergonomic?

What will make it more attractive?? (It has been said that I design in the dark. This question would be for those of you that buy in the light).



Since new tooling is requuired, minor adjustments and refinements to the pattern are acceptable, but not enough to make the design be identified as other than the Dragonfly. I would prefer to keep the full flat grind.



Other than that, push the envelope. no rules.



What would you do?



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Postby yog » Mon Sep 01, 2003 12:02 pm

To be honest, I think for it's size it's pretty much perfect.

The only new direction I can see it going is to take it more upmarket like the Kiwi.
Small knives like this tend to be more for dress (gentleman's knife), the office, or the ladies purse. In all these instances the knives tend to be a bit more show'y than plain black FRN. How about black Micarta (something I consider more elegant than CF) with an inset silver "spyder" similar to the Vesuvious.

If we are allowed to go radical, I would say that a knife this sizes does not need the inherant stregnth of a lock-back, and possibly a smoother opening and closing knife might have more appeal for a gent's/ladies folder. Perhaps a liner lock or an intergral compression lock as found on the new Cricket.

But at all costs keep the full flat grind.

BTW - I don't think any one can accuse the Dragonfly of being designed in the dark. Together with the Calypso's I think this is one of the most elegant knife designs going.

As always, thanks for listening.

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Postby Carlos » Mon Sep 01, 2003 12:03 pm

Calypso Jr-ize it: Bidirectional scale pattern. Though this time it would be dragon scales. <img src="smile.gif" width=15 height=15 align=middle border=0>

Calypso-ize the blade as well with the same slight swedging.

Dodo's wire clip.

Maybe dark green frn?

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Postby java » Mon Sep 01, 2003 12:33 pm

Sal,

Already a great little big knife. Merely minor improvements need:

Flat grind....Aye!
Spine knurls or ridges for better detailed control.
More Colors in FRN would be okay.
Bi-D texturing is aces - anything to help grip and control.
Reversable wire clip.
Combo edge in FRN

Thanks!

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Postby pvr4 » Mon Sep 01, 2003 1:16 pm

G-10
Boye Dent
A Metal Clip (I never dug the FRN clip)

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Postby The Cool » Mon Sep 01, 2003 1:31 pm

I agree with everything Yog said. Something more 'gentlemanly' would be perfect.

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Postby The Cool » Mon Sep 01, 2003 1:32 pm

PS if micarta handles are used can we have a run in white/ivory colour?

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Postby druid » Mon Sep 01, 2003 1:38 pm

Not much flying experience. Maybe a rubber G-10 inlaid to steal version. Definitely a ball bearig or compression lock depending on price point, superfluous but I like the reverse s blade. I think of this knife as a lady's handbag carry that provides practically revolutionary cutting power in this niche., that said my suggestions maybe a little macho?

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Postby Ted » Mon Sep 01, 2003 1:57 pm

Ridges on the thumbrest on the spine
Flat-grind has to stay of course

and...uuuh...do I dare to ask....

titanium slabs with frame or compression-lock? <img src="wink.gif" width=15 height=15 align=middle border=0><img src="smile.gif" width=15 height=15 align=middle border=0>

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Postby vampyrewolf » Mon Sep 01, 2003 2:12 pm

put in my thoughts about the ss 'fly on the other board, toss in my frn ones here.

ats-55 steel in this would be about perfect. I agree on the metal clip too, thats why I hadn't bought a frn yet. Just don't think the frn clip would stand up to getting caught on stuff.

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Postby rico » Mon Sep 01, 2003 2:27 pm

I agree that the Dragonfly is excellent in size. I have several frn, ss, cf. I think updated scales would be great. I prefer g micarta in colors but would settle for colored frn. Rico

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Postby Stevie Ray » Mon Sep 01, 2003 5:33 pm

Sal,

No suggestions here ..., but my favorite Spydie carries during the week due to knife weight ... (when I've got to wear a monkey suit) are my FRN Dragonfly and my Calypso JR .... Please keep it light ... It's a big amount of blade per pound ...
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Postby vampyrewolf » Mon Sep 01, 2003 6:25 pm

when you wear it 24/7, the weight is nothing to yah. The ss 'fly is nice for neck carry, though I thought it might be a bit heavy to start. just like wearing a watch or ring you don't notice till it's off.

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Postby Clay Kesting » Tue Sep 02, 2003 1:43 am

Sal,

I agree Yog and Cool, the Dragonfly just begs to be "gentrified". I have a CF one as my suit knife, although it doesn't get carried much as I don't wear a suit all that often <img src="smile.gif" width=15 height=15 align=middle border=0>. Otherwise there is not much I would change in the design. It fits the hand really well and the thin, flat ground blade lets it cut like a scalpel. I actually like the flat on the top of the blade as a spot to rest the forefinger for detail work. This is one knife that I prefer tip down i.e. I like my CF one over Lachie's stainless steel version.

What does all this add up to? Drop the FRN version as there are other small knives which fill it's spot. Retain the current stainless version and add other scales e.g. black, burgundy and ivory micarta, CF, exotic wood with thin steel liners, maybe even jet and MOP. Put me down for a couple <img src="smile.gif" width=15 height=15 align=middle border=0>.

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Postby The Cool » Tue Sep 02, 2003 8:10 am

Silver G10 is very nice too <img src="smile.gif" width=15 height=15 align=middle border=0>

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Postby antoine » Tue Sep 02, 2003 8:50 am

Something like that ?

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Postby edb » Tue Sep 02, 2003 8:59 am

For the FRN model, make it have a reversible wire clip, and go to VG-10. Otherwise, keep it exactly like it is!

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Postby charlie » Tue Sep 02, 2003 9:26 am

Dragonfly C28 Upgrade, same blade in VG-10. Handle: imperial green (dragon color?) Almite aluminum coated handle with a silver spyder bug inlaid.
Lots of good suggestions, I know I want at least one.
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Postby dogrunner » Tue Sep 02, 2003 9:32 am

Great little knife. Used to be my EDC until I started carrying the Delica.
Keep blade exactly as is.
Slightly longer handle would be useful.
VG-10 = great steel, good value.
G-10 scales. I have the FRN (nice handle) and the SS (a bit slippery, but very solid). I prefer *non-metal* handles because when it is cold out(below freezing), they are a lot more comfortable to handle, and when it is really cold out (sub-0 F) metal handles can really suck the heat out of your hand. This doesn't affect many people, but until global warming really kicks in, it still occasionally gets really cold up north.

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Postby midget » Tue Sep 02, 2003 10:51 am

Mr. Glesser,

Please, please, PLEASE, a deeper choil! One that your index finger really gets scooped up in, like how the dodo is shaped.


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