Steels Friendly & Unfriendly with Sharpmaker Ceramic
-
- Member
- Posts: 460
- Joined: Sat Aug 01, 2020 8:51 am
Re: Steels Friendly & Unfriendly with Sharpmaker Ceramic
When I evaluate steel and Stones I allow my knives to dull. I don't perform touchups and I cut the apex off everytime. For me it's important to see how that stone or progression of Stones maintain their integrity at the edge over time versus initial sharpness. I personally don't use the sharpmaker but I do freehand on their ceramic benchstone counterparts from time to time. When evaluating the brown benchstone /medium rods, I commonly use a progression of a Norton fine India then the spyderco brown ceramic stone. And I use my King neo silicon carbide stone in conjunction to see anectdotally if I'm getting more mileage on this tank of gas or not. In my own use and evaluations I get better mileage with: hap40,m390/20cv, k390,s90v, s110v, and 4V when I used the harder King neo stone. I wasn't counting cuts, but the difference was noticeable. Spyderco does have the 800 side on their cbn benchstone which I believe will trickle into the sharpmaker at some point.
"Nothing is built on stone; all is built on sand, but we must build as if the sand were stone."
Re: Steels Friendly & Unfriendly with Sharpmaker Ceramic
I'm moving away from AlOx (in ceramic or whatever binder) for fine grits on hi-carbide blade steels.
-
- Member
- Posts: 421
- Joined: Fri Apr 06, 2018 9:14 pm
- Location: “Beam me up Scotty, there’s no intelligent life down here.”
Re: Steels Friendly & Unfriendly with Sharpmaker Ceramic
I’ve seen a comment from Sal recently on the forum advising someone to be “patient” when sharpening S110 V on the Sharpmaker. Sorry, I don’t remember what thread it was in. I sharpen S110 on the Sharpmaker with what I think are good results. It does take longer than everything else I sharpen.
:spyder: Shaman REX 45, Smock, Baby Jess Horn CE, Spydiechef, Schempp Bowie,Ti Fluted Military, Titanium Military, Native S30 V and G10, PM 2 in S35VN, and S110V, Manix 2 LW BD1 and SPY 27, Sage 5, Positron black CPM S30V, Chaparral w/Raffir Noble scales, SuperLeaf VG 10, Ladybug H1, Dragonfly 2 in ZDP 189 and Superblue/420J1 and H1, Delica in ZDP 189, Clipitool Standard, the Cook’s knife VG10, Santoku, paring and utility knives, all in MBS 26. :spyder:
Re: Steels Friendly & Unfriendly with Sharpmaker Ceramic
This actually leads to kind of a "specification" of the op's question:kodai78 wrote: ↑Sun Aug 01, 2021 9:15 pmI’ve seen a comment from Sal recently on the forum advising someone to be “patient” when sharpening S110 V on the Sharpmaker. Sorry, I don’t remember what thread it was in. I sharpen S110 on the Sharpmaker with what I think are good results. It does take longer than everything else I sharpen.
- Which "harder" to sharpen steels are actually not really "harder" to sharpen on the sharpmaker, but just take more time, but still an "easy" procedure
- and which steels can perhaps be sharpened quicker if one knows what they are doing, but are "trickier" (concerning for example burr forming / removal and so on) for not so experienced folks..
Top three going by pocket-time (update March 24):
- EDC: Endura thin red line ffg combo edge (VG10); Wayne Goddard PE (4V), Endela SE (VG10)
-Mountains/outdoors: Pac.Salt 1 SE (H1), Salt 2 SE (LC200N), and also Wayne Goddard PE (4V)
- EDC: Endura thin red line ffg combo edge (VG10); Wayne Goddard PE (4V), Endela SE (VG10)
-Mountains/outdoors: Pac.Salt 1 SE (H1), Salt 2 SE (LC200N), and also Wayne Goddard PE (4V)
Re: Steels Friendly & Unfriendly with Sharpmaker Ceramic
... added to my above post:
ZDP189 is a good example:
I sold my ZDP Endura years ago ( ) since I found it soooo hard to sharpen on my sharpmaker.
Actually I really had no real idea of sharpening back then (even less than today... ) and no CBN or diamond rods.
These days I think it was just lack of patience and taking the time, and probably ZDP is not "hard" to sharpen, but just takes longer...
ZDP189 is a good example:
I sold my ZDP Endura years ago ( ) since I found it soooo hard to sharpen on my sharpmaker.
Actually I really had no real idea of sharpening back then (even less than today... ) and no CBN or diamond rods.
These days I think it was just lack of patience and taking the time, and probably ZDP is not "hard" to sharpen, but just takes longer...
Top three going by pocket-time (update March 24):
- EDC: Endura thin red line ffg combo edge (VG10); Wayne Goddard PE (4V), Endela SE (VG10)
-Mountains/outdoors: Pac.Salt 1 SE (H1), Salt 2 SE (LC200N), and also Wayne Goddard PE (4V)
- EDC: Endura thin red line ffg combo edge (VG10); Wayne Goddard PE (4V), Endela SE (VG10)
-Mountains/outdoors: Pac.Salt 1 SE (H1), Salt 2 SE (LC200N), and also Wayne Goddard PE (4V)
-
- Member
- Posts: 421
- Joined: Fri Apr 06, 2018 9:14 pm
- Location: “Beam me up Scotty, there’s no intelligent life down here.”
Re: Steels Friendly & Unfriendly with Sharpmaker Ceramic
I don’t own every possible steel, but in my experience (I don’t consider myself an expert) S110, S90 and ZDP 189 are the steels taking the longest to sharpen. I am only a competent knife sharpener though. I am sure that some of the forum experts have a more comprehensive list and understanding of why some steels do require longer to sharpen.Wartstein wrote: ↑Sun Aug 01, 2021 10:33 pmThis actually leads to kind of a "specification" of the op's question:kodai78 wrote: ↑Sun Aug 01, 2021 9:15 pmI’ve seen a comment from Sal recently on the forum advising someone to be “patient” when sharpening S110 V on the Sharpmaker. Sorry, I don’t remember what thread it was in. I sharpen S110 on the Sharpmaker with what I think are good results. It does take longer than everything else I sharpen.
- Which "harder" to sharpen steels are actually not really "harder" to sharpen on the sharpmaker, but just take more time, but still an "easy" procedure
- and which steels can perhaps be sharpened quicker if one knows what they are doing, but are "trickier" (concerning for example burr forming / removal and so on) for not so experienced folks..
:spyder: Shaman REX 45, Smock, Baby Jess Horn CE, Spydiechef, Schempp Bowie,Ti Fluted Military, Titanium Military, Native S30 V and G10, PM 2 in S35VN, and S110V, Manix 2 LW BD1 and SPY 27, Sage 5, Positron black CPM S30V, Chaparral w/Raffir Noble scales, SuperLeaf VG 10, Ladybug H1, Dragonfly 2 in ZDP 189 and Superblue/420J1 and H1, Delica in ZDP 189, Clipitool Standard, the Cook’s knife VG10, Santoku, paring and utility knives, all in MBS 26. :spyder:
Re: Steels Friendly & Unfriendly with Sharpmaker Ceramic
I'm a Spyderco fanboi too, but I think the newer high carbide steels are calling for fine-grit diamond/CBN rods for the sharpmaker...and possibly Silicone Carbide for the coarse stones.