Using folders unlocked

[vivi]

Allright forget the accidents can happen part. Then I have 2 questions.

2. For the semantics. Are locking folders designed to be used in an unlocked position?

Yes, some of them are.



Guess folks in this thread know better than Sal

[VooDooChild]

Allright forget the accidents can happen part. Then I have 2 questions.

2. For the semantics. Are locking folders designed to be used in an unlocked position?

Yes, some of them are.



Guess folks in this thread know better than Sal

Has a swedge. Different design, different intent.

[Chuck James]

I'm very open to constructive criticism. It's how we learn. As mentioned using any knife at any time in any situation is a risk. As far as the naysayers go I want to thank you. We need people like you in the knife community. Good shepherds. I know your main concern is safety. Safety for anyone using a knife. We don't want our community to be seen as a reckless group. It makes all knife users look bad. The whole point of this discussion is to educate. If you want to dismiss this technique as unsafe then please disclose why you feel that way. Making derogatory comments without reasoning behind it isn't the way to get your point across.

Someone mentioned a friend having an accident and almost losing a finger. This is a real concern with the technique. This was also an accident that the user wasn't in control of. Not long after the technique was compared to cleaning a loaded gun. This is an example of negligence. You can easily rectify this situation and make it safe. That's the difference between an accident (hard or almost impossible to prevent) and negligence (not taking the time to do something right). I can see how this looks like a negligent technique. I'll break it down in safety speak. While using this technique I'm avoiding line of fire (if the knife closes accidentally my digits are not in the blade path)and avoiding pinch points, (again no digits between the pivot or blade). Some would argue I'm breaking a safety rule by using the wrong tool for the job. That's debatable because we have used knives for millenia.

It's your choice to use a knife the way you choose. You really shouldn't suggest for someone else to try this technique.

[vivi]

Allright forget the accidents can happen part. Then I have 2 questions.

2. For the semantics. Are locking folders designed to be used in an unlocked position?

Yes, some of them are.



Guess folks in this thread know better than Sal

Has a swedge. Different design, different intent.

lol.

it's a locking knife meant to be used half open. the answer to your question is quite clear

[The Meat man]

Yes I've used a knife in a similar manner, usually to trim a thread or something. Clacking open a 4" knife in church can be a bit of a distraction.

[VooDooChild]

Allright forget the accidents can happen part. Then I have 2 questions.

2. For the semantics. Are locking folders designed to be used in an unlocked position?

Yes, some of them are.



Guess folks in this thread know better than Sal

Has a swedge. Different design, different intent.

lol.

it's a locking knife meant to be used half open. the answer to your question is quite clear

But its specifically that knife. I havent heard that argument made for his other designs.

Theres also a difference between cutting a thread or string and cutting tape on boxes.

[JRinFL]

Such intractable positions! Trenches are dug, redoubts fortified, supply lines established. I prefer maneuver, so I’ll leave this hill for others to struggle over.

Use your knife how you deem best, just try to be careful.

[VashHash]

I didn't know tape was so difficult to cut. Are we all talking about the same kind of tape?

[w3tnz]

I do this quite often if I’m opening a box in front of someone who may be knife adverse. Sometimes I even leave the house without my bubble wrap suit on!

[Chuck James]

So apparently this is causing ....

Telling me this is a good technique is like pissing down someones back and telling them it's raining.
If you can't look at this technique and see why it's not a good idea, then It can't be explained.

Well, I am sure the OP can defend himself perfectly well if he wants to, but let me say: This is not really a constructive reply.

Obviously this is a technique that works for some, the OPs pics even show that his fingers are not in danger, since he pinch grips the handle so that the fingers are not in the blade path.

I can see how this could be more convenient for example when opening packages and the like, cause the wrist might be in a more natural angle.

Anyway, I think the way you are dismissing techniques and how other people use their folders just cause you personally don't, is not too much different to people saying carrying/using folders is dangerous in general, just cause they don't carry such or are afraid of knives or whatever.

You clean guns while they are loaded...don't you!! LOL!!! :D

[bearfacedkiller]

I mean where do you draw the line?

I also cant stand "safety police" when it comes down to what I know I can do. I also like motorcycles and outdoor activities that can be dangerous.

However... I will never advocate for improper use of power tools or firearms. But knives are ok?

I am not advocating that anybody use knives, power tools or guns improperly and I wouldn’t teach anyone to do so. I am saying that we all get to decide for ourselves and we shouldn’t get bent out of shape over what risks others take. I have definitely used power tools for things they were not designed for. I am pretty careful with firearms but I have had my moments back in the day.

The OP wasn’t advocating for it in my opinion. He was simply asking for people’s opinions and experiences.

[ladybug93]

Telling me this is a good technique is like pissing down someones back and telling them it's raining.
If you can't look at this technique and see why it's not a good idea, then It can't be explained.

You clean guns while they are loaded...don't you!! LOL!!! :D

new guy walks into a bar...

[Chuck James]

Telling me this is a good technique is like pissing down someones back and telling them it's raining.
If you can't look at this technique and see why it's not a good idea, then It can't be explained.

You clean guns while they are loaded...don't you!! LOL!!! :D

new guy walks into a bar...

Well done!!! Thanks for the laugh!!! :D

[JMM]

I've never done it, but I've seen it done, and don't understand why I'd want or need to do it... Others were mentioning the Tuff like this for some baton action, I actually did baton the crap out of my OG Tuff (which it did great, save for edge retention) but I don't understand why I NEED to do this, it seems like less you'd have less control of what you're doing for what, saving .8 seconds if one were to completely open/close a knife? Sorry for being dense, can someone sell this to me, why?

:confused: :rolleyes: :p :o

[SG89]

I've never done it, but I've seen it done, and don't understand why I'd want or need to do it... Others were mentioning the Tuff like this for some baton action, I actually did baton the crap out of my OG Tuff (which it did great, save for edge retention) but I don't understand why I NEED to do this, it seems like less you'd have less control of what you're doing for what, saving .8 seconds if one were to completely open/close a knife? Sorry for being dense, can someone sell this to me, why?

:confused: :rolleyes: :p :o

Sometimes you need to cut something quickly without scaring the fainting goats...

[vivi]

I've never done it, but I've seen it done, and don't understand why I'd want or need to do it... Others were mentioning the Tuff like this for some baton action, I actually did baton the crap out of my OG Tuff (which it did great, save for edge retention) but I don't understand why I NEED to do this, it seems like less you'd have less control of what you're doing for what, saving .8 seconds if one were to completely open/close a knife? Sorry for being dense, can someone sell this to me, why?

:confused: :rolleyes: :p :o

That argument can be extended to one handed knives in general, and pocket clips. You're saving what, 1-2 seconds when you open your mail compared to a swiss army knife?

[VooDooChild]

I mean where do you draw the line?

I also cant stand "safety police" when it comes down to what I know I can do. I also like motorcycles and outdoor activities that can be dangerous.

However... I will never advocate for improper use of power tools or firearms. But knives are ok?

I am not advocating that anybody use knives, power tools or guns improperly and I wouldn’t teach anyone to do so. I am saying that we all get to decide for ourselves and we shouldn’t get bent out of shape over what risks others take. I have definitely used power tools for things they were not designed for. I am pretty careful with firearms but I have had my moments back in the day.

The OP wasn’t advocating for it in my opinion. He was simply asking for people’s opinions and experiences.

This is pretty good way to put it. I agree.

For the record in the other thread, the OP literally said "try it you will like it." Seems like advocating to me.

Part of me is just arguing for arguments sake. The other part of me is taking the semantics of proper use or intended design or just safe practice pretty seriously.

My very good friend cut his thumb off a month ago. Dont worry it got reattached. It was from getting lazy with a safety procedure while using a table saw.
I had caught him a few months back making an unsafe cut and when I said something, I got the lip service of "thats just the way they say you are supposed to do it.", or something along those lines.
My friend has a lot of experience using saws and table saws.
He is also very intelligent and I know can follow proper safety procedures/ safe operation.
Stuff still happens.

So needless to say, I have been a little paranoid about proper tool use lately.

[JMM]

I've never done it, but I've seen it done, and don't understand why I'd want or need to do it... Others were mentioning the Tuff like this for some baton action, I actually did baton the crap out of my OG Tuff (which it did great, save for edge retention) but I don't understand why I NEED to do this, it seems like less you'd have less control of what you're doing for what, saving .8 seconds if one were to completely open/close a knife? Sorry for being dense, can someone sell this to me, why?

:confused: :rolleyes: :p :o

Sometimes you need to cut something quickly without scaring the fainting goats...

Ohhhhhh.... I get it now, thank you -- I've only got Yaks and I think that was what was messing me up...

:p :D

[JMM]

I've never done it, but I've seen it done, and don't understand why I'd want or need to do it... Others were mentioning the Tuff like this for some baton action, I actually did baton the crap out of my OG Tuff (which it did great, save for edge retention) but I don't understand why I NEED to do this, it seems like less you'd have less control of what you're doing for what, saving .8 seconds if one were to completely open/close a knife? Sorry for being dense, can someone sell this to me, why?

:confused: :rolleyes: :p :o

That argument can be extended to one handed knives in general, and pocket clips. You're saving what, 1-2 seconds when you open your mail compared to a swiss army knife?

Awesome, I just wanted to make sure there wasn't some super-secret-squirrel way of doing it that I wasn't wrapping my sleepy head over ..... Thx

:rolleyes:

[Wartstein]

I see and respect what you mean, but still disagree:
The OP describes a technique he uses without any issues and asks, who else does so and what people think of it - in a dedicated knife forum. That's not advocating imho, but even part of what this place is here for.

And concerning " accidents can happen": Sure. But the way he uses the knife unlocked makes this rather unlikely. For me pretty much the same as one CAN slip on the blade when using a slick handled Kapara or CAN drop the knife on their foot when operating a comp.lock in the usual way or... like 1000 more examples. If I'd think about what potentially CAN happen I'd never use any tool anymore...

Allright forget the accidents can happen part. Then I have 2 questions.

1. Would you tell a non-knife person they will be fine doing it? I promise you at least one person will screw up.

2. For the semantics. Are locking folders designed to be used in an unlocked position?

Edit.
When it comes down to any tool we can just say this.

Proper use=safe
Improper use=unsafe

So this is the question of the day.
Is that improper use?

Is it improper use by other peoples standards instead of ours?

For me it honestly is not improper, but just uncommon (yet?):

- The way the OP does it is useful and perfectly safe for him and anyone who does it in the same way
- Just because not many do this at this point in time, does not (necessarily) mean it is improper. If people would always have used stuff in the at some point totally "proper", ,"mainstream" and common way, many, many useful techniques, designs and so on would have never been developed.
- Will some non knife persons hurt themselves when using this method? Sure - a few will accidently put their fingers in the blade path and in rare cases the blade will fold on them. But, as just one example: This is also true for the comp.lock when people close it in the "fingers never in the blade path" method. No danger as long as the fingers actually ARE out of the blade path, but if they are accidently not: Problem. Now: Is this a reason to tell non knife people to not use this closing method?