I agree with Sharp Guy. It seems the more precise and careful you can be the stickier the edge. Of course this is true of every steel but I think S110V is a lot more sensitive in this regard.
I know since getting my Wicked Edge system, I can get stickier edges on S110V (and others) than I could even with my Hapstone.
What's your thoughts on the wicked edge? I've been thinking about picking up the V3 Pro, buy once, cry once kind of a thing.
I love mine. I've got the WE130 model, bought it used with some extras for a really good price. It's fantastic. I cannot stress enough how much of a game changer it is to be able to sharpen both sides simultaneously, at a consistent angle. I can sit there and make featherlight passes, alternating sides, for as long as I want without fatigue or getting my angle off. Results in a super crisp, sticky sharp apex.
It's a lot of money and maybe a little overpriced, but it's by far the best sharpener I've ever owned.
- Connor
"What is a man profited, if he shall gain the whole world, and lose his own soul?"
I agree with Sharp Guy. It seems the more precise and careful you can be the stickier the edge. Of course this is true of every steel but I think S110V is a lot more sensitive in this regard.
I know since getting my Wicked Edge system, I can get stickier edges on S110V (and others) than I could even with my Hapstone.
What's your thoughts on the wicked edge? I've been thinking about picking up the V3 Pro, buy once, cry once kind of a thing.
I love mine. I've got the WE130 model, bought it used with some extras for a really good price. It's fantastic. I cannot stress enough how much of a game changer it is to be able to sharpen both sides simultaneously, at a consistent angle. I can sit there and make featherlight passes, alternating sides, for as long as I want without fatigue or getting my angle off. Results in a super crisp, sticky sharp apex.
It's a lot of money and maybe a little overpriced, but it's by far the best sharpener I've ever owned.
My problem with the WE is that the stone options are limited. No access to all the wonderful new bonded CBN and Diamond stones now on the market.
I like the edge pro professional for fixed system sharpening since there is no clamp to fiddle with and the stone options are so vast.
I've tried various diamond abrasives and silicon carbide(400grit and lower). I have some Smiths and DMT plated diamond stones but I just can't get it that sharp with those but they work for any other steel even S90V. I'm currently using a set of Venev stones the lower grit is resin bonded and the higher grit is OCB. It's the S110V is very deceptive, sometimes it will feel dull but it still shaves.
I've had the same basic experience when sharpening S110V on the Sharpmaker (or similar) even when using diamonds or CBN. I can get that sticky sharp feeling if I use my Hapstone V7. I suspect that S110V is just less forgiving of slightly varying angles than some of the other steels. That theory doesn't really make sense to me though. I can get everything else sticky sharp on a V style setup including Maxamet.
I like the way Maxamet and S9OV sharpen.
Convexity might be killing the edge. While a edge can have a wide bevel and appear to be a low angle there can be some hidden convexity hiding at the apex.
My advice is to keep freehand progression to 2-3 stones max and to use 1um diamond spray on leather to finish.
Never be afraid to use sharpie to see what's being hit on the stone.
I agree with Sharp Guy. It seems the more precise and careful you can be the stickier the edge. Of course this is true of every steel but I think S110V is a lot more sensitive in this regard.
I know since getting my Wicked Edge system, I can get stickier edges on S110V (and others) than I could even with my Hapstone.
What's your thoughts on the wicked edge? I've been thinking about picking up the V3 Pro, buy once, cry once kind of a thing.
I love mine. I've got the WE130 model, bought it used with some extras for a really good price. It's fantastic. I cannot stress enough how much of a game changer it is to be able to sharpen both sides simultaneously, at a consistent angle. I can sit there and make featherlight passes, alternating sides, for as long as I want without fatigue or getting my angle off. Results in a super crisp, sticky sharp apex.
It's a lot of money and maybe a little overpriced, but it's by far the best sharpener I've ever owned.
My problem with the WE is that the stone options are limited. No access to all the wonderful new bonded CBN and Diamond stones now on the market.
I like the edge pro professional for fixed system sharpening since there is no clamp to fiddle with and the stone options are so vast.
I'm nowhere near your level of sharpening obsession or skill, so the plated diamond stones are good enough for me. One thing I like about them is that they don't dish and they don't load in 3 seconds like my Venev bonded diamond stones for my Hapstone.
- Connor
"What is a man profited, if he shall gain the whole world, and lose his own soul?"
What's your thoughts on the wicked edge? I've been thinking about picking up the V3 Pro, buy once, cry once kind of a thing.
I love mine. I've got the WE130 model, bought it used with some extras for a really good price. It's fantastic. I cannot stress enough how much of a game changer it is to be able to sharpen both sides simultaneously, at a consistent angle. I can sit there and make featherlight passes, alternating sides, for as long as I want without fatigue or getting my angle off. Results in a super crisp, sticky sharp apex.
It's a lot of money and maybe a little overpriced, but it's by far the best sharpener I've ever owned.
My problem with the WE is that the stone options are limited. No access to all the wonderful new bonded CBN and Diamond stones now on the market.
I like the edge pro professional for fixed system sharpening since there is no clamp to fiddle with and the stone options are so vast.
I'm nowhere near your level of sharpening obsession or skill, so the plated diamond stones are good enough for me. One thing I like about them is that they don't dish and they don't load in 3 seconds like my Venev bonded diamond stones for my Hapstone.
I agree with Sharp Guy. It seems the more precise and careful you can be the stickier the edge. Of course this is true of every steel but I think S110V is a lot more sensitive in this regard.
I know since getting my Wicked Edge system, I can get stickier edges on S110V (and others) than I could even with my Hapstone.
What's your thoughts on the wicked edge? I've been thinking about picking up the V3 Pro, buy once, cry once kind of a thing.
I love mine. I've got the WE130 model, bought it used with some extras for a really good price. It's fantastic. I cannot stress enough how much of a game changer it is to be able to sharpen both sides simultaneously, at a consistent angle. I can sit there and make featherlight passes, alternating sides, for as long as I want without fatigue or getting my angle off. Results in a super crisp, sticky sharp apex.
It's a lot of money and maybe a little overpriced, but it's by far the best sharpener I've ever owned.
My problem with the WE is that the stone options are limited. No access to all the wonderful new bonded CBN and Diamond stones now on the market.
I like the edge pro professional for fixed system sharpening since there is no clamp to fiddle with and the stone options are so vast.
Hi Shawn, are there any particular stones you'd care to mention for edge pro use in a situation like this?
K-390 on hand: Mule Team 17, Police 4 G-10, Endela (burlap micarta), Endela backup, Endura (canvas micarta), Straight Stretch (now blade-swapped with G-10 Stretch), Delica Wharncliffe, Dragonfly Wharncliffe, & Dragonfly Wharncliffe shorty mod Note to self: Less is more.
Convexity might be killing the edge. While a edge can have a wide bevel and appear to be a low angle there can be some hidden convexity hiding at the apex.
My advice is to keep freehand progression to 2-3 stones max and to use 1um diamond spray on leather to finish.
Never be afraid to use sharpie to see what's being hit on the stone.
I'm slowly getting better with my freehand. When I first started a few months ago I couldn't get S110V to shave and hated the steel for it. Now I can get it against the skin shaving sharp but I can't get it as sharp as I can CPM Cruwear.
What's your thoughts on the wicked edge? I've been thinking about picking up the V3 Pro, buy once, cry once kind of a thing.
I love mine. I've got the WE130 model, bought it used with some extras for a really good price. It's fantastic. I cannot stress enough how much of a game changer it is to be able to sharpen both sides simultaneously, at a consistent angle. I can sit there and make featherlight passes, alternating sides, for as long as I want without fatigue or getting my angle off. Results in a super crisp, sticky sharp apex.
It's a lot of money and maybe a little overpriced, but it's by far the best sharpener I've ever owned.
My problem with the WE is that the stone options are limited. No access to all the wonderful new bonded CBN and Diamond stones now on the market.
I like the edge pro professional for fixed system sharpening since there is no clamp to fiddle with and the stone options are so vast.
I'm nowhere near your level of sharpening obsession or skill, so the plated diamond stones are good enough for me. One thing I like about them is that they don't dish and they don't load in 3 seconds like my Venev bonded diamond stones for my Hapstone.
What's your thoughts on the wicked edge? I've been thinking about picking up the V3 Pro, buy once, cry once kind of a thing.
I love mine. I've got the WE130 model, bought it used with some extras for a really good price. It's fantastic. I cannot stress enough how much of a game changer it is to be able to sharpen both sides simultaneously, at a consistent angle. I can sit there and make featherlight passes, alternating sides, for as long as I want without fatigue or getting my angle off. Results in a super crisp, sticky sharp apex.
It's a lot of money and maybe a little overpriced, but it's by far the best sharpener I've ever owned.
My problem with the WE is that the stone options are limited. No access to all the wonderful new bonded CBN and Diamond stones now on the market.
I like the edge pro professional for fixed system sharpening since there is no clamp to fiddle with and the stone options are so vast.
I'm nowhere near your level of sharpening obsession or skill, so the plated diamond stones are good enough for me. One thing I like about them is that they don't dish and they don't load in 3 seconds like my Venev bonded diamond stones for my Hapstone.
Just because there's some steel on the surface of the stone doesn't mean they're loaded up. They still cut just fine. I get 3 or 4 sharpenings out of mine on my Hapstone before they need cleaned. They just start to cut a bit slower.
I use to use stones and diamond plates. Now as I gotten older and less patient. I just use a Worksharp to sharpen and a honing steel to maintain an edge.
I love mine. I've got the WE130 model, bought it used with some extras for a really good price. It's fantastic. I cannot stress enough how much of a game changer it is to be able to sharpen both sides simultaneously, at a consistent angle. I can sit there and make featherlight passes, alternating sides, for as long as I want without fatigue or getting my angle off. Results in a super crisp, sticky sharp apex.
It's a lot of money and maybe a little overpriced, but it's by far the best sharpener I've ever owned.
My problem with the WE is that the stone options are limited. No access to all the wonderful new bonded CBN and Diamond stones now on the market.
I like the edge pro professional for fixed system sharpening since there is no clamp to fiddle with and the stone options are so vast.
I'm nowhere near your level of sharpening obsession or skill, so the plated diamond stones are good enough for me. One thing I like about them is that they don't dish and they don't load in 3 seconds like my Venev bonded diamond stones for my Hapstone.
Just because there's some steel on the surface of the stone doesn't mean they're loaded up. They still cut just fine. I get 3 or 4 sharpenings out of mine on my Hapstone before they need cleaned. They just start to cut a bit slower.
It's mostly on the finer grits that I experience the glazing problem. So most times I don't go any higher than 240 or maybe 400 grit (and even those seem to leave a much finer finish than a comparable plated stone.) Using these coarser stones, I can get a lot of sharpenings out of them as you said. If I go much finer, it feels more like the stone is just burnishing rather than cutting. Whereas with the plated diamond stones, I can go to 1,000 grit and it feels more like I'm actually removing steel and I still get a semi-coarse, super sticky edge.
I clean the Venev stones with BKF and I've also lapped them with loose SiC grit but that takes a long time and doesn't seem to help all that much.
Hey BTW, I enjoy your podcast. Keep it up!
- Connor
"What is a man profited, if he shall gain the whole world, and lose his own soul?"
My problem with the WE is that the stone options are limited. No access to all the wonderful new bonded CBN and Diamond stones now on the market.
I like the edge pro professional for fixed system sharpening since there is no clamp to fiddle with and the stone options are so vast.
I'm nowhere near your level of sharpening obsession or skill, so the plated diamond stones are good enough for me. One thing I like about them is that they don't dish and they don't load in 3 seconds like my Venev bonded diamond stones for my Hapstone.
Just because there's some steel on the surface of the stone doesn't mean they're loaded up. They still cut just fine. I get 3 or 4 sharpenings out of mine on my Hapstone before they need cleaned. They just start to cut a bit slower.
It's mostly on the finer grits that I experience the glazing problem. So most times I don't go any higher than 240 or maybe 400 grit (and even those seem to leave a much finer finish than a comparable plated stone.) Using these coarser stones, I can get a lot of sharpenings out of them as you said. If I go much finer, it feels more like the stone is just burnishing rather than cutting. Whereas with the plated diamond stones, I can go to 1,000 grit and it feels more like I'm actually removing steel and I still get a semi-coarse, super sticky edge.
I clean the Venev stones with BKF and I've also lapped them with loose SiC grit but that takes a long time and doesn't seem to help all that much.
Hey BTW, I enjoy your podcast. Keep it up!
Thanks! :D
I definitely agree with you on the 800/1200. I like the finer stones but don't use them too often since they do glaze pretty quickly and don't really like those super polished edges. The 240 and 400 are really like a 320 and 600 in the plated stones and obviously don't leave as deep of scratches. They both have their place and I play around with both depending on what I'm trying to accomplish.
I definitely agree with you on the 800/1200. I like the finer stones but don't use them too often since they do glaze pretty quickly and don't really like those super polished edges. The 240 and 400 are really like a 320 and 600 in the plated stones and obviously don't leave as deep of scratches. They both have their place and I play around with both depending on what I'm trying to accomplish.
Yep it's great there's so much variety, there's always something interesting and different to try.
Right now I'm having a lot of fun with the edges off the WE, and 1000 grit seems like the sweet spot. I can get them hair whittling sharp, yet toothy enough so that they'll grab and slice into a plastic bag if drawn lightly alongside it. In some ways it's a different animal from what I was used to with the Hapstone.
The only thing I want yet is some stropping compound. I've got a set of leather strops for the WE, but they're not loaded.
- Connor
"What is a man profited, if he shall gain the whole world, and lose his own soul?"
Ok so I spent my evening getting my S110V sharp. It seems my coarse plate might have been too coarse. I decided to just use a DMT fine in a fixed angle setup. It took over an hour but I finally got it bring up a burr on both sides. After deburring I used a diy strop for my fixed angle system with 1um diamond paste.
Ok so I spent my evening getting my S110V sharp. It seems my coarse plate might have been too coarse. I decided to just use a DMT fine in a fixed angle setup. It took over an hour but I finally got it bring up a burr on both sides. After deburring I used a diy strop for my fixed angle system with 1um diamond paste.
Strong work, let us know how it performs overtime.
My problem with the WE is that the stone options are limited. No access to all the wonderful new bonded CBN and Diamond stones now on the market.
I like the edge pro professional for fixed system sharpening since there is no clamp to fiddle with and the stone options are so vast.
This is my main gripe with WE. They make a great (if overpriced) product, my edges have never looked better.
But as a company they seem completely disinterested in expanding their stone offerings. They sell 'blank' handles for aftermarket stones, but no one makes them. For a company that wants to be top dog in the world of guided angle sharpeners, I find their attitude of 'our limited selection of stones is good enough' perplexing.
I couldn't even get them to look into a rounded diamond hone for hawkbills (they only have 2 grits in ceramic), when I reached out to them, they suggested I buy some of their lapping film and tape it to the ceramic hone :rolleyes: KME can sell a three sided rounded diamond hone for $40 and the best WE can do is "tape some stuff to the ceramic hone"? Disappointing.
-Matta.k.a. Lo_Que, loadedquestions135I ❤ The P'KAL
"The world of edges has a small doorway in, but opens into a cavern that is both wide and deep." -sal
My problem with the WE is that the stone options are limited. No access to all the wonderful new bonded CBN and Diamond stones now on the market.
I like the edge pro professional for fixed system sharpening since there is no clamp to fiddle with and the stone options are so vast.
This is my main gripe with WE. They make a great (if overpriced) product, my edges have never looked better.
But as a company they seem completely disinterested in expanding their stone offerings. They sell 'blank' handles for aftermarket stones, but no one makes them. For a company that wants to be top dog in the world of guided angle sharpeners, I find their attitude of 'our limited selection of stones is good enough' perplexing.
I couldn't even get them to look into a rounded diamond hone for hawkbills (they only have 2 grits in ceramic), when I reached out to them, they suggested I buy some of their lapping film and tape it to the ceramic hone :rolleyes: KME can sell a three sided rounded diamond hone for $40 and the best WE can do is "tape some stuff to the ceramic hone"? Disappointing.
Reminds me of the video game console wars. Companies arguing about graphics and hardware meanwhile all the gamers know it's all about the killer apps
I only have one knife with S110V, a Manix LW, and my only sharpener is my Sharpmaker. Doing the old thumb test I’ve never said or thought this Manix was screaming sharp, say compared to VG-10 or Cru-wear. But it still cuts and cuts and cuts! I’ve just learned to live with it!
so the plated diamond stones are good enough for me. One thing I like about them is that they don't dish and they don't load in 3 seconds like my Venev bonded diamond stones for my Hapstone.
