Military sprint run with a different handle? :O
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Military sprint run with a different handle? :O
Ok, time to get dragged in the comments.
I love the Spyderco Military blade shape and dimensions. I think it's a close to perfect design. I would love to see it housed in a different handle...
I know there are tons of diehard Military purists out there, but to me, the Military handle is bigger and bulkier than it needs to be for most users and uses. I know it was designed with glove wearing armed forces in mind, but is it crazy to want a version designed with bare handed EDC users in mind?? I don't think so.
I don't have a sketch or anything, I'm not that smart, but in theory, a shorter, slimmer, more stream lined, and less bulky handled Military sounds like an appealing concept to me.
Please, show mercy...
I love the Spyderco Military blade shape and dimensions. I think it's a close to perfect design. I would love to see it housed in a different handle...
I know there are tons of diehard Military purists out there, but to me, the Military handle is bigger and bulkier than it needs to be for most users and uses. I know it was designed with glove wearing armed forces in mind, but is it crazy to want a version designed with bare handed EDC users in mind?? I don't think so.
I don't have a sketch or anything, I'm not that smart, but in theory, a shorter, slimmer, more stream lined, and less bulky handled Military sounds like an appealing concept to me.
Please, show mercy...
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Re: Military sprint run with a different handle? :O
Hmmm... I like the big military handle, both with gloves and without. What I'd really love to see is a Crucarta military, or maybe an OD Green Canvas Micarta K390 Military.
I'm happiest with Micarta and Tool Steel.
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Re: Military sprint run with a different handle? :O
Sounds good to me
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Re: Military sprint run with a different handle? :O
Right?
To offer a little more meat and potatoes:
The Military blade is 4", the handle is 5.5". A lot of designs chase blade to handle ratio, or attempt to pack in as much blade into the handle as possible, approaching a 1:1 ratio. I am not advocating for that, but even still, most blade to handle ratio indifferent designs usually come in with a 1" difference between the blade and handle, i.e a 3 inch blade and a 4 inch handle. Smaller knives often feature a larger handle to allow for a smaller blade while maintaining enough handle for a full grip. For a 4 inch blade, I don't see the need for an additional 1.5 inches of handle. Cut off the last half inch giant hook and the Military would look a lot less odd, be lighter, and easier to carry.
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I don´t think the Millie handle looks "odd" but actually pretty cool and "inviting", in the sense that one (I at least ) wants to grab and use the knife immediately - but of course this is totally subjective.Baron Mind wrote: ↑Tue Apr 20, 2021 9:09 pm.....
The Military blade is 4", the handle is 5.5". A lot of designs chase blade to handle ratio, or attempt to pack in as much blade into the handle as possible, approaching a 1:1 ratio. I am not advocating for that, but even still, most blade to handle ratio indifferent designs usually come in with a 1" difference between the blade and handle, i.e a 3 inch blade and a 4 inch handle. Smaller knives often feature a larger handle to allow for a smaller blade while maintaining enough handle for a full grip. For a 4 inch blade, I don't see the need for an additional 1.5 inches of handle. Cut off the last half inch giant hook and the Military would look a lot less odd, be lighter, and easier to carry.
That being said: My Millie had about the perfect general use folder blade length for me, but indeed it felt a bit too long in pocket.
So practically speaking I´d not be opposed to a version (not replacement, but you are talking of "only" a sprint anyway!) with a shorter handle - along the lines of the Aramis scales (pic 1), or just rounding off / shortening the back end of the handle, roughly like in pic 2.
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- EDC: Endura thin red line ffg combo edge (VG10); Wayne Goddard PE (4V), Endela SE (VG10)
-Mountains/outdoors: Pac.Salt 1 SE (H1), Salt 2 SE (LC200N), and also Wayne Goddard PE (4V)
Re: Military sprint run with a different handle? :O
Why ruin a great handle when the PM2 already exists?
Re: Military sprint run with a different handle? :O
kennethsime wrote: ↑Tue Apr 20, 2021 8:43 pmHmmm... I like the big military handle, both with gloves and without. What I'd really love to see is a Crucarta military, or maybe an OD Green Canvas Micarta K390 Military.
Don´t want to derail the thread, but I think a Micarta Millie would feel like a different knife - much heavier and especially much more handle heavy: Even in the Micarta PM 2 they had to go from nested to full liners for structural stability with Micarta. So they´d certainly have to abandon the minimal liner of the Millie and also go with full (not even nested!) liners on both sides. Much heavier as said.
Not necessarily an bad thing, but for me the typical "Millie-feel" to a large part comes from its rather light weight for the size (that being said: Stylewise (a bit rougher) Micarta would REALLY suit the Millie well! :) )
Top three going by pocket-time (update March 24):
- EDC: Endura thin red line ffg combo edge (VG10); Wayne Goddard PE (4V), Endela SE (VG10)
-Mountains/outdoors: Pac.Salt 1 SE (H1), Salt 2 SE (LC200N), and also Wayne Goddard PE (4V)
- EDC: Endura thin red line ffg combo edge (VG10); Wayne Goddard PE (4V), Endela SE (VG10)
-Mountains/outdoors: Pac.Salt 1 SE (H1), Salt 2 SE (LC200N), and also Wayne Goddard PE (4V)
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Re: Military sprint run with a different handle? :O
Vivi! :eek:
I am surprised YOU are asking this... - short blade on the PM2 ?!
I think just making the handle shorter at the end would not really change the feel in hand - very rarely people will grab (especially the long) Millie that far back anyway!
But again: I support the ops idea only if this would be one single version, and in all other Millie versions the handle would remain as it is...
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Top three going by pocket-time (update March 24):
- EDC: Endura thin red line ffg combo edge (VG10); Wayne Goddard PE (4V), Endela SE (VG10)
-Mountains/outdoors: Pac.Salt 1 SE (H1), Salt 2 SE (LC200N), and also Wayne Goddard PE (4V)
- EDC: Endura thin red line ffg combo edge (VG10); Wayne Goddard PE (4V), Endela SE (VG10)
-Mountains/outdoors: Pac.Salt 1 SE (H1), Salt 2 SE (LC200N), and also Wayne Goddard PE (4V)
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It might be simpler to have someone grind off the back of the handle to your liking BM, like in Wartstein's second picture. That would certainly give you what you want and would not be expensive to do.
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Re: Military sprint run with a different handle? :O
Those are scales by aramis (aratech.ru) - on the bottom of this page http://aratech.ru/index.php?route=produ ... ary&page=2 you should find some Millies with them.
Someone on this forum posted pics of his (her?) Aramis Millie several times, that´s how I got aware of it.
Never seen those scales "in person" though.
Top three going by pocket-time (update March 24):
- EDC: Endura thin red line ffg combo edge (VG10); Wayne Goddard PE (4V), Endela SE (VG10)
-Mountains/outdoors: Pac.Salt 1 SE (H1), Salt 2 SE (LC200N), and also Wayne Goddard PE (4V)
- EDC: Endura thin red line ffg combo edge (VG10); Wayne Goddard PE (4V), Endela SE (VG10)
-Mountains/outdoors: Pac.Salt 1 SE (H1), Salt 2 SE (LC200N), and also Wayne Goddard PE (4V)
Re: Military sprint run with a different handle? :O
Baron Mind wrote: ↑Tue Apr 20, 2021 8:40 pmOk, time to get dragged in the comments.
I love the Spyderco Military blade shape and dimensions. I think it's a close to perfect design. I would love to see it housed in a different handle...
I know there are tons of diehard Military purists out there, but to me, the Military handle is bigger and bulkier than it needs to be for most users and uses. I know it was designed with glove wearing armed forces in mind, but is it crazy to want a version designed with bare handed EDC users in mind?? I don't think so.
I don't have a sketch or anything, I'm not that smart, but in theory, a shorter, slimmer, more stream lined, and less bulky handled Military sounds like an appealing concept to me.
Please, show mercy...
Yes. It's crazy, this thread is crazy, you're crazy, and I'm calling shenanigans on the whole thing.
OK seriously I do have to ask, do you own a Military? I had to buy one and actually use it and carry it for a while before it made sense to me. It's not a knife that makes sense on paper or in pics. It's a perfect example of how what you think you want and what you really need aren't always the same thing. This knife opened my eyes to the benefits of larger knives. If you searched back far enough in my posts you'll find me making the same comments about the handle being far bigger than it needs to be, but now it's one of my absolute favorite knives. Using is believing.
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Re: Military sprint run with a different handle? :O
^^ this!
Davids everywhere agree: the Millie handle may look too wide and long, but in hand it's perfection.
That said, those Aramis scales look like a great solution for those who want a slim Millie.
Davids everywhere agree: the Millie handle may look too wide and long, but in hand it's perfection.
That said, those Aramis scales look like a great solution for those who want a slim Millie.
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Re: Military sprint run with a different handle? :O
Leave the military alone. No changes.
Re: Military sprint run with a different handle? :O
I wonder if there even will be another Military released before the Military 2 is announced. Haven't seen a new sprint or exclusive in awhile... I wonder if the Military will get the S45VN treatment?
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Re: Military sprint run with a different handle? :O
The handle is the one thing that made me hesitant to get a military originally. I fully planned on getting those aramis scales but once I put it into my rotation they seem perfect.
That being said, I wouldn’t mind having the option for slim scales if they were a sprint/exclusive run.
Have you tried the Native Chief? It has a similar cutting edge to the Military but in a much slimmer handle. I find myself carrying it more because of this.
That being said, I wouldn’t mind having the option for slim scales if they were a sprint/exclusive run.
Have you tried the Native Chief? It has a similar cutting edge to the Military but in a much slimmer handle. I find myself carrying it more because of this.
Re: Military sprint run with a different handle? :O
Spydergirl88 wrote: ↑Wed Apr 21, 2021 8:49 amI wonder if there even will be another Military released before the Military 2 is announced. Haven't seen a new sprint or exclusive in awhile... I wonder if the Military will get the S45VN treatment?
If I don't see a MagnaCut Military someday I'll riot.
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Re: Military sprint run with a different handle? :O
Yeah no one ever gets a full grip on the military.
When I wear gloves my finger actually fits in the choil of the blade. Reducing the hump on the end wouldn't be a terrible change in my opinion. As much as I love my military the p4 fits better. But once I get the military in my pocket it's hard to stop carrying it.
When I wear gloves my finger actually fits in the choil of the blade. Reducing the hump on the end wouldn't be a terrible change in my opinion. As much as I love my military the p4 fits better. But once I get the military in my pocket it's hard to stop carrying it.
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Those are some big paws.