Retire The PM2?

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Re: Retire The PM2?

Postby Matus » Thu Apr 15, 2021 2:30 pm

Nicely put.
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Re: Retire The PM2?

Postby thebard42 » Thu Apr 15, 2021 2:51 pm

Other than the comp lock, isn’t a thinner Shaman basically a Manix?

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Re: Retire The PM2?

Postby JohnDoe99 » Thu Apr 15, 2021 3:25 pm

Spydergirl88 wrote:
Thu Apr 15, 2021 11:46 am
JohnDoe99 wrote:
Thu Apr 15, 2021 11:43 am
Speaking of the PM2, the S110V version is sold out everywhere. Surely it hasn't been discontinued?
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Re: Retire The PM2?

Postby Wartstein » Thu Apr 15, 2021 3:44 pm

Spydergirl88 wrote:
Thu Apr 15, 2021 1:24 pm
Comp locks and thin blade stock are a no-go in these modern spydie times right?

2.5 mm seems to be no problem (Ikuchi...), 3mm certainly not (Kapara, Sage...)

The Shaman is cool with its thick blade stock, but that thickness really is not necessary even for "hard work" imho. I did all kinds of rather crazy things to my 3mm folders: Never any problem.
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Re: Retire The PM2?

Postby wrdwrght » Thu Apr 15, 2021 3:47 pm

Sal listens to ideas that get thrown around here. We all know that. He’s even reminded me directly after I rolled my eyes out loud one time too many.

So, I will say just this: there’s a big difference between saying you want a corrected (that is, thinner, nubless) Shaman (and, oh, BTW, good riddance PM2!), and saying you want something like the Shaman that is slicier and easier to maintain.

The former disses proven Glesser successes (not to mention industry-leading design-chops, production strategies and market-awareness); the latter opens the door to an altogether new design.

I, for one, want more designs that are actually new, not tweaked (as distinct from CQI’d) old designs that are already far better than good enough and keep the company afloat.
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Re: Retire The PM2?

Postby Wartstein » Thu Apr 15, 2021 3:51 pm

For me: Same handle, thinner blade, linerlock :)
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Re: Retire The PM2?

Postby JD Spydo » Thu Apr 15, 2021 4:02 pm

No Absolutely NOT!! I want the C-36 Military, PM2 and PM3 to all be permanent models in the main line up. I've always had an affinity for the Golden, CO USA made models and they are just fine right there in the main line up where they've been for years and should remain.

But with all due respect if you desire a newly revamped model as you've described then that's fine. But in no way would I support deleting any of the current Golden, CO made models. You just don't change what is already great IMO.

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Re: Retire The PM2?

Postby kennethsime » Thu Apr 15, 2021 4:11 pm

Yea, so I realize I'm a but late to the party here (already we're on page 4), but I just want to register that my PM2 is far from obsolete, and cuts just fine. In fact, it out-cuts my Shaman on a regular basis, because the blade is thinner.

In fact, I plan on purchasing more PM2s. The Curcarta is pre-ordered already.

I agree that the Shaman is roughly the same length as the PM2, but the differences in handle ergonomics and blade shapes make them suited to quite different tasks.
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Re: Retire The PM2?

Postby sal » Thu Apr 15, 2021 4:15 pm

There are other "Shaman" designs in-the-works, including a thinner lighter one with a thinner blade stock.

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Re: Retire The PM2?

Postby Spydergirl88 » Thu Apr 15, 2021 4:37 pm

Wartstein wrote:
Thu Apr 15, 2021 3:44 pm
Spydergirl88 wrote:
Thu Apr 15, 2021 1:24 pm
Comp locks and thin blade stock are a no-go in these modern spydie times right?

2.5 mm seems to be no problem (Ikuchi...), 3mm certainly not (Kapara, Sage...)

The Shaman is cool with its thick blade stock, but that thickness really is not necessary even for "hard work" imho. I did all kinds of rather crazy things to my 3mm folders: Never any problem.
I was picturing 2mm being a no go

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Re: Retire The PM2?

Postby dj moonbat » Thu Apr 15, 2021 5:02 pm

Also, Apple should phase out the iPhone.

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Re: Retire The PM2?

Postby DFD04 » Thu Apr 15, 2021 6:17 pm

sal wrote:
Thu Apr 15, 2021 4:15 pm
There are other "Shaman" designs in-the-works, including a thinner lighter one with a thinner blade stock.

sal
I’m good with the: dieting Shaman...skinny Shaman...Shaman skinny jeans...Shaman Padawan...

No touchie the PM2, PLEASE!

Thanks for the news Sal, hope you’re well in these days!

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Re: Retire The PM2?

Postby kennethsime » Thu Apr 15, 2021 6:18 pm

dj moonbat wrote:
Thu Apr 15, 2021 5:02 pm
Also, Apple should phase out the iPhone.
Well said, sir. ;)
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Re: Retire The PM2?

Postby GarageBoy » Thu Apr 15, 2021 6:18 pm

Asking for the skinny shaman (which is the rebellious kid who left the nice native family, and started taking steroids) is one thing, asking for the PM2 to be discontinued is another.

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Re: Retire The PM2?

Postby Bill1170 » Thu Apr 15, 2021 11:04 pm

Maybe I’m missing something here. I see references to “PM3, PM4” and I don’t know of either being a thing that exists. Some get confused and erroneously call the Para 3 a “PM3,” but never have I seen or read about a shipping model called “PM4.”

What’s this about Benchmade discontinuing the Griptilian line? That sounds untrue and would be as foolish as Spyderco sunsetting the Delica.

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Re: Retire The PM2?

Postby standy99 » Fri Apr 16, 2021 1:02 am

I would like to see a Shaman with a thumb ramp and a G10 handle also the blade a little less body

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Re: Retire The PM2?

Postby Sherman » Fri Apr 16, 2021 1:57 am

sal wrote:
Thu Apr 15, 2021 4:15 pm
There are other "Shaman" designs in-the-works, including a thinner lighter one with a thinner blade stock.
sal
Looking forward... Such a great design the Shaman, but will look perfect in the "little bit lighter" version

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Re: Retire The PM2?

Postby GiftedMisfit » Fri Apr 16, 2021 3:24 am

TkoK83Spy wrote:
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Instagram people annoy me...
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Re: Retire The PM2?

Postby archangel » Fri Apr 16, 2021 3:26 am

Sherman wrote:
Fri Apr 16, 2021 1:57 am
sal wrote:
Thu Apr 15, 2021 4:15 pm
There are other "Shaman" designs in-the-works, including a thinner lighter one with a thinner blade stock.
sal
Looking forward... Such a great design the Shaman, but will look perfect in the "little bit lighter" version

Will look good, maybe even great in the "little bit lighter" version, but is perfect just the way it is.

Just as the PM2.
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Re: Retire The PM2?

Postby Sharp Guy » Fri Apr 16, 2021 9:29 am

TkoK83Spy wrote:
Wed Apr 14, 2021 9:38 pm
Instagram people annoy me...
:D I get what you're saying and don't necessarily disagree but several of our forum comrades are Instagram people, including me. Although I don't really post very often. I follow a lot of things besides knives. So I pretty much just watch

I think the IG people you're referring to are the ones who are trying to make money from being an encourager (I know there's a better name for it). If they're not trying to make money from it I suppose they're simply trying to get more followers but I'm pretty sure they're both related. I feel the same about some of the YouTubers. I enjoy watching YT for information for other hobbies (not for knives) and have some preferred people to watch but hate when any of them state to hit the like button & don't forget to subscribe lol.


Ok thread derail over and back to our regularly scheduled program...

Retiring the PM2, one of the most popular folding knife models of all time, would be shooting themselves in the foot. Why would any company in their right mind retire their best selling product? I don't carry any of my PM2s very often anymore but I still think it's a great model. And as far as "fixing that nub that everyone hates"....no issue with it for me. I think I'm fortunate that my hands must be about the same size as Sal & Eric's. Pretty much all the Spyderco models I have fit my hands perfect
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