Retire The PM2?

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Re: Retire The PM2?

Postby elena86 » Wed Apr 14, 2021 11:45 pm

My brain hurts :eek:
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Re: Retire The PM2?

Postby Deadboxhero » Thu Apr 15, 2021 12:03 am

pm2og wrote:
Wed Apr 14, 2021 7:20 pm
Hear me out:

Here is my proposal. Make a thinned out Shaman. Thinner scales and blade stock. Fix the nub everyone hates. This creates a knife that for all intents and purposes makes the PM2 obsolete.
The Shaman basically fixed all the mechanical issues with the PM2. Got rid of the standoffs that make disassembly a nightmare. Changed the screwed in stop pin with a free floating thus eliminating the action bind by over tightening at reassembly. Got rid of the flared lanyard tube. Blade centering is easier with a Shaman. The PM2 was built to not be disassembled but thats not the knife world we live in now. Everyone is customizing and servicing their own knives and I support that fully. A skinny Shaman would be a better PM2. This just makes sense to me as the next evolution.

Maybe even a Vanax Shaman Skinny :D

I look forward to the feedback on this idea.

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Re: Retire The PM2?

Postby jacala » Thu Apr 15, 2021 12:09 am

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Re: Retire The PM2?

Postby aaronkb » Thu Apr 15, 2021 12:11 am

Not getting rid of my PM2s, but I’ve been dying for a thinner shaman.

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Re: Retire The PM2?

Postby James Y » Thu Apr 15, 2021 12:47 am

pm2og wrote:
Wed Apr 14, 2021 7:20 pm
Hear me out:

Here is my proposal. Make a thinned out Shaman. Thinner scales and blade stock. Fix the nub everyone hates. This creates a knife that for all intents and purposes makes the PM2 obsolete.
The Shaman basically fixed all the mechanical issues with the PM2. Got rid of the standoffs that make disassembly a nightmare. Changed the screwed in stop pin with a free floating thus eliminating the action bind by over tightening at reassembly. Got rid of the flared lanyard tube. Blade centering is easier with a Shaman. The PM2 was built to not be disassembled but thats not the knife world we live in now. Everyone is customizing and servicing their own knives and I support that fully. A skinny Shaman would be a better PM2. This just makes sense to me as the next evolution.

Maybe even a Vanax Shaman Skinny :D

I look forward to the feedback on this idea.

With Love From Instagram PM2OG

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Re: Retire The PM2?

Postby KnOeFz » Thu Apr 15, 2021 1:04 am

Great Idea!
I've just opened up a PM2 retirement home at my place. :D
Full serviced for just a huble monthly fee.
Ship me your retired PM2's and I'll give them a great old day. :p

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Re: Retire The PM2?

Postby archangel » Thu Apr 15, 2021 2:12 am

VooDooChild wrote:
Wed Apr 14, 2021 7:39 pm
No retire pm2

I strongly second that.
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Re: Retire The PM2?

Postby archangel » Thu Apr 15, 2021 2:14 am

TkoK83Spy wrote:
Wed Apr 14, 2021 9:38 pm
Instagram people annoy me...

Hahaha..... :D
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Re: Retire The PM2?

Postby Evil D » Thu Apr 15, 2021 2:41 am

Boy it's been a long time since I somehow agreed so much with a post while at the same time reading it and thinking to myself "wow dude...puff puff pass bro".

Firstly, it'll never happen no matter how good the next model is. The only way the PM2 is going anywhere is if there's a drastic enough CQI to justify changing it into the next generation, and since there's already a PM3 I guess it would be the PM4? Either way it won't happen. We can agree that the Shaman is better, and I very much do agree, but the knife buying world is much bigger than you or I and this forum.

Secondly, "the PM2 was made to not be disassembled" is a bit silly. A more accurate description is that manufacturing methods have changed. Simple as that. Remember that every knife sent in for warranty or repair has to be disassembled too so the factory are getting them apart. I've had all of my PM2s apart. At least it's screw construction, if they wanted it to not be easy to take apart they'd go back to pinned construction. Blade centering and all the rest is also just the result of updated manufacturing, the Shaman is better in part because it benefits from the decade of manufacturing experience that the PM2 provided.
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Re: Retire The PM2?

Postby Brock O Lee » Thu Apr 15, 2021 2:53 am

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Re: Retire The PM2?

Postby bearfacedkiller » Thu Apr 15, 2021 3:42 am

Why would you have to discontinue the Para2 to make a skinny Shaman? Seems like you could propose your idea in a different manner.
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Re: Retire The PM2?

Postby archangel » Thu Apr 15, 2021 4:21 am

pm2og wrote:
Wed Apr 14, 2021 7:20 pm
Hear me out:

Here is my proposal. Make a thinned out Shaman. Thinner scales and blade stock. Fix the nub everyone hates. This creates a knife that for all intents and purposes makes the PM2 obsolete.
The Shaman basically fixed all the mechanical issues with the PM2. Got rid of the standoffs that make disassembly a nightmare. Changed the screwed in stop pin with a free floating thus eliminating the action bind by over tightening at reassembly. Got rid of the flared lanyard tube. Blade centering is easier with a Shaman. The PM2 was built to not be disassembled but thats not the knife world we live in now. Everyone is customizing and servicing their own knives and I support that fully. A skinny Shaman would be a better PM2. This just makes sense to me as the next evolution.

Maybe even a Vanax Shaman Skinny :D

I look forward to the feedback on this idea.

With Love From Instagram PM2OG

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Re: Retire The PM2?

Postby jdw » Thu Apr 15, 2021 4:38 am

That's just silly and I am not even a fan of the PM2.
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Re: Retire The PM2?

Postby GarageBoy » Thu Apr 15, 2021 6:24 am

Maybe you're bored of PM2s/have become jaded, but the PM2 is a great design and a great seller. It's like BM discontinuing the griptilian.

Also, if they discontinue the PM2, how will you get that vanax one you've been wanting?
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Re: Retire The PM2?

Postby Wright.88 » Thu Apr 15, 2021 6:33 am

bearfacedkiller wrote:
Thu Apr 15, 2021 3:42 am
Why would you have to discontinue the Para2 to make a skinny Shaman? Seems like you could propose your idea in a different manner.
Because then it wouldn’t be as controversial or garner as much attention...

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Re: Retire The PM2?

Postby The Meat man » Thu Apr 15, 2021 7:01 am

Pm2og, are you actually abandoning your earlier Vanax PM2 campaign? ;)

Regarding the topic, realistically of course the PM2 isn't going anywhere. I wouldn't say a skinny Shaman is impossible though, because we're talking about Spyderco here. ;) Personally, I'd pass on both.
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Re: Retire The PM2?

Postby JonLeBlanc » Thu Apr 15, 2021 7:06 am

yeah, the PM2 obviously isn't going anywhere, nor should it
but hey, I like hearing unpopular opinions (seriously)
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Re: Retire The PM2?

Postby TkoK83Spy » Thu Apr 15, 2021 7:07 am

Both the PM2 and the Shaman have huge fan bases, why mess with them!?
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Re: Retire The PM2?

Postby DSH007 » Thu Apr 15, 2021 8:05 am

It feels like i'm just heaping on at this point, but.. What?! Haha the PM2 isn't going anywhere.

That said, I feel like the OP brings up some valid points regarding CQI. I wouldn't be opposed to a floating stop pin in the PM2. The Para 3 has the floating stop pin and it was CQI'd into the Military.. I wouldn't be surprised, or saddened in any way, if it was eventually implemented in the the PM2 as well. As far as retirement though.. yeah, just no haha ;)
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Re: Retire The PM2?

Postby Evil D » Thu Apr 15, 2021 8:35 am

TkoK83Spy wrote:
Thu Apr 15, 2021 7:07 am
Both the PM2 and the Shaman have huge fan bases, why mess with them!?

Yeah I'm going 10 years strong without buying one and it hasn't really effected me but I will admit I'm a little jealous of all the sprints and exclusives. If anything I might benefit from funneling production resources into other models I like more but the idea of "I don't like this so it must not be popular" just doesn't make sense to me especially when the PM2 is probably the flagship model for Spyderco.
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