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Re: We already have the solution. Now what we need is to find the problem

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If 99% of the world doesn't need to carry a knife to get through their day......

WHY ARE THEY ALWAYS ASKING TO BORROW MY KNIFE!? :D


Same goes for my pocket flashlight. My friends are like hey can I borrow your flashlight for a minute, I dropped something under this or on the floor, or I need to look at something behind this or read that. I use my pocket flashlight more than my knife.

Could I survive without my Knife, Flashlight, Prybar, and Lighter?
Yes. But life is so much more convenient with them than without them.
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ZrowsN1s wrote:
Sat Apr 10, 2021 2:43 pm
If 99% of the world doesn't need to carry a knife to get through their day......

WHY ARE THEY ALWAYS ASKING TO BORROW MY KNIFE!? :D


Same goes for my pocket flashlight. My friends are like hey can I borrow your flashlight for a minute, I dropped something under this or on the floor, or I need to look at something behind this or read that. I use my pocket flashlight more than my knife.

:D :D :D
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Hi Der_boudie,

Welcome to our forum.

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sal wrote: Hi Der_boudie,

Welcome to our forum.

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Thanks for the welcome Sal. And may I say, you make a fine knife. It's a joy every time I use my Grasshopper, Endura or Paramilitary 2. Have a great day.
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Menipo wrote:
Sat Apr 10, 2021 4:11 am
None of my family members or friends carry a knife...Like 99% of humanity, I guess.
A lot of my family members and some of my friends carry knives. And the ones who don't always ask to borrow mine! But still, I only know a few other people (outside of my online groups) that have more than a few knives. And none of them has nearly as many as I do! I definitely collect knives because I love them, not because I need them.
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Many people get along just fine without carrying a knife. Opening boxes with their keys or with precariously gripped open scissors. Cutting with whatever tool they can find or improvise. Using their teeth to open stubborn packaging like an animal. Or worst of all... Asking to borrow my knife (a favorite of my co-workers).

That being said, I think many people's lives could be made easier if they carried a knife. My wife never thought about carrying a knife until I suggested it. She now uses one frequently and likes it. She keeps one in her car and desk as well as in her purse. She isn't an enthusiast, but she recognized the advantages of always having something sharp on hand as soon as she tried it.

For me, a flashlight is far more situational. I carry one almost everyday, but I can go for a week without using it. But there are days when I use it frequently. I used it on at least half a dozen times today (almost as often as my knife) and lent it to co workers twice. Most people could probably get along ok by using their phone as a light when needed. But a dedicated light is more convenient if you doing anything more involved than looking for what you dropped under your desk.
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I don't think I've ever been part of a hobby that is so concerned with self justification. Just enjoy knife collecting folks. It's fun!

I'm imagining being on a skateboard forum and having people ask me why I ride the size board I do, or being on a gaming forum and hearing folks talk about how no one needs a 1TB drive, that 500 gigs is enough for practical purposes.

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Menipo wrote:
Sat Apr 10, 2021 2:13 pm

But here I've never carried one in my pocket (except when I'm camping) and I don't know anyone who carries it. But not only here. I have lived in a dozen European countries (including France, Germany, Italy, UK, Denmark, etc.) and I have also not seen people carry flashlights as part of their EDC. It must be something cultural .... :confused:
Nope, it just gets dark here every now and then. :D ;) I'm running out to get some groceries in a bit, I'll be carrying a SureFire E1D LED along with one of my Manix 2's. (which I've been carrying all day.
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Pokey wrote:
Sat Apr 10, 2021 7:33 pm
Menipo wrote:
Sat Apr 10, 2021 2:13 pm

But here I've never carried one in my pocket (except when I'm camping) and I don't know anyone who carries it. But not only here. I have lived in a dozen European countries (including France, Germany, Italy, UK, Denmark, etc.) and I have also not seen people carry flashlights as part of their EDC. It must be something cultural .... :confused:
Nope, it just gets dark here every now and then. :D ;) I'm running out to get some groceries in a bit, I'll be carrying a SureFire E1D LED along with one of my Manix 2's. (which I've been carrying all day.
I've been EDCing lights longer than knives. I use them every day, more often than my Spydercos.

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JuPaul wrote:
Sat Apr 10, 2021 6:22 pm
Menipo wrote:
Sat Apr 10, 2021 4:11 am
None of my family members or friends carry a knife...Like 99% of humanity, I guess.
A lot of my family members and some of my friends carry knives. And the ones who don't always ask to borrow mine! But still, I only know a few other people (outside of my online groups) that have more than a few knives. And none of them has nearly as many as I do! I definitely collect knives because I love them, not because I need them.

You are blessed, Julia! I'd give an arm to have a bunch of family members who carried knives. Because that would give me the opportunity to buy many more knives (to give them gifts) so I wouldn't have to worry about getting my BBOCD (Buying Blades Obsesive Compulsive Disorder) controlled ... :D :D
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Notsurewhy wrote:
Sat Apr 10, 2021 6:53 pm
Many people get along just fine without carrying a knife. Opening boxes with their keys or with precariously gripped open scissors. Cutting with whatever tool they can find or improvise. Using their teeth to open stubborn packaging like an animal. Or worst of all... Asking to borrow my knife (a favorite of my co-workers).

That being said, I think many people's lives could be made easier if they carried a knife. My wife never thought about carrying a knife until I suggested it. She now uses one frequently and likes it. She keeps one in her car and desk as well as in her purse. She isn't an enthusiast, but she recognized the advantages of always having something sharp on hand as soon as she tried it.

For me, a flashlight is far more situational. I carry one almost everyday, but I can go for a week without using it. But there are days when I use it frequently. I used it on at least half a dozen times today (almost as often as my knife) and lent it to co workers twice. Most people could probably get along ok by using their phone as a light when needed. But a dedicated light is more convenient if you doing anything more involved than looking for what you dropped under your desk.

When she becomes an enthusiast, she will keep two in her car (one SE for rescue -cutting the seat belt or breaking the glasses- and one multitool with a PE generous blade for general purposes), one near the paper and cardboard container to put down cardboard boxes, one in her purse or pocket (to get along just fine carrying a knife, as you said) and half a dozen in her desk (three to carry out heavy office tasks such as open envelopes and three for pure fidgeting).

And from time to time she will rotate them with other which are in the drawer waiting for their turn to get some use. I am speaking from experience :D
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vivi wrote:
Sat Apr 10, 2021 7:12 pm
I don't think I've ever been part of a hobby that is so concerned with self justification. Just enjoy knife collecting folks. It's fun!

I'm imagining being on a skateboard forum and having people ask me why I ride the size board I do, or being on a gaming forum and hearing folks talk about how no one needs a 1TB drive, that 500 gigs is enough for practical purposes.

:D

It has nothing to do with self-justification, Vivi, don't take it too seriously, my good friend.

It is just another blade related topic, another opportunity to talk about our favorite hobby. The same as suggesting the umpteenth variation in the configuration of the Chaparral, discussing the indisputable virtues of 4 mm. additional cutting edge, debating about choils and how they completely change the way one uses his knife, or arguing for months about whether Golden's FNR texture allows 15% more grip than Seki or viceversa. :rolleyes: :o :D
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Pokey wrote:
Sat Apr 10, 2021 7:33 pm
Menipo wrote:
Sat Apr 10, 2021 2:13 pm

But here I've never carried one in my pocket (except when I'm camping) and I don't know anyone who carries it. But not only here. I have lived in a dozen European countries (including France, Germany, Italy, UK, Denmark, etc.) and I have also not seen people carry flashlights as part of their EDC. It must be something cultural .... :confused:
Nope, it just gets dark here every now and then. :D ;) I'm running out to get some groceries in a bit, I'll be carrying a SureFire E1D LED along with one of my Manix 2's. (which I've been carrying all day.

That was precisely my point. It gets dark here every now and then as well (or in Lisbon, London or Rome) and I never saw one using a EDC flashlight. And I also run out to get some groceries from time to time ... but I would never think of carrying a flashlight, nor do I know anyone who would. That's why I say it must be cultural. :confused:
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The difference between me and that other 99% is that I will be prepared in the event that I really do need a knife for something. Just a few years ago there was that incident where a cruise ship lost all power and was stranded out at sea and a passenger needed some kind of emergency surgery and there happened to be a surgeon on board and he used another passengers pocket knife to save the man's life. You just never know when you're going to need a cutting tool. I carry a multi-tool for the same reason.
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Menipo wrote:
Sun Apr 11, 2021 1:12 am
vivi wrote:
Sat Apr 10, 2021 7:12 pm
I don't think I've ever been part of a hobby that is so concerned with self justification. Just enjoy knife collecting folks. It's fun!

I'm imagining being on a skateboard forum and having people ask me why I ride the size board I do, or being on a gaming forum and hearing folks talk about how no one needs a 1TB drive, that 500 gigs is enough for practical purposes.

:D

It has nothing to do with self-justification, Vivi, don't take it too seriously, my good friend.

It is just another blade related topic, another opportunity to talk about our favorite hobby. The same as suggesting the umpteenth variation in the configuration of the Chaparral, discussing the indisputable virtues of 4 mm. additional cutting edge, debating about choils and how they completely change the way one uses his knife, or arguing for months about whether Golden's FNR texture allows 15% more grip than Seki or viceversa. :rolleyes: :o :D
I think you misinterpreted my comment :p the whole gist of my post was to say don't take it too seriously, its just knife collecting. Enjoy the thing you enjoy and don't worry about justifying it to anyone unless it becomes a problem.
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Menipo wrote:
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ChrisinHove wrote:
Sat Apr 10, 2021 4:57 am
Absolutely!

I don’t know about anyone else, but I will balk at spending 00’s on tools I regularly use, but not on knives I rarely use.

Here’s another question .... what cost more? The shoes you are wearing or the knife in your pocket?!

In my case, the shoes. :D I am on a dark suit Monday to Friday (or I was ... now a couple of days or even just one because of the pandemic and the teleworking) and have a good collections of Church's that I take the opportunity to increase every time I have to travel to London for business or pleasure.They are still cheaper than if I bought them here and I can save up to £ 50 per pair (and use them towards the purchase of the next knife) ;)
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Evil D wrote:
Sun Apr 11, 2021 2:37 am
The difference between me and that other 99% is that I will be prepared in the event that I really do need a knife for something. Just a few years ago there was that incident where a cruise ship lost all power and was stranded out at sea and a passenger needed some kind of emergency surgery and there happened to be a surgeon on board and he used another passengers pocket knife to save the man's life. You just never know when you're going to need a cutting tool. I carry a multi-tool for the same reason.
and that pocket knife was probably not allowed on the ship because they always have ridiculous rules just like airlines.

i always carry a blade and lighter as part of my edc. i don't cut things all the time and i hardly ever need fire (not a smoker). i just feel like i owe it to our ancestors that had to figure out fire and tools for survival. imagine traveling to present day from early times and finding out people had the ability to carry a steel cutting tool and fire in their pockets, but didn't because they thought those things were dangerous and unnecessary. it's hard not to take it personally when people make rules against carrying such items.
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ChrisinHove wrote:
Sat Apr 10, 2021 4:57 am
Absolutely!

I don’t know about anyone else, but I will balk at spending 00’s on tools I regularly use, but not on knives I rarely use.

Here’s another question .... what cost more? The shoes you are wearing or the knife in your pocket?!
On tools, I say buy the best you can afford. I’ve been let down by poor tools before. Knives are tools, but beyond a certain quantity, they are a hobby. My most expensive shoes are steel toe work boots. I get pretty twitchy about shoes >$150, and you can count me out of the idea of “fashion”. I’ve been wearing flannel and jeans since I was old enough to remember. I find something that works that I like and I get 5-10 of them. I really hate clothes shopping. I wish I had done the same with my latest pair of Keens... I walked through the soles on them and they don’t make anything comparable :(
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ChrisinHove wrote:
Sat Apr 10, 2021 4:57 am
Here’s another question .... what cost more? The shoes you are wearing or the knife in your pocket?!
That's a dangerous question...

My wife cannot know the answer to that! :p
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Menipo wrote:
Sat Apr 10, 2021 2:13 pm
standy99 wrote:
Sat Apr 10, 2021 6:01 am
ChrisinHove wrote:
Sat Apr 10, 2021 4:57 am
Absolutely!

I don’t know about anyone else, but I will balk at spending 00’s on tools I regularly use, but not on knives I rarely use.

Here’s another question .... what cost more? The shoes you are wearing or the knife in your pocket?!


Knives, Pens and flashlights
3 things I use most at work, I never balk at spending money on them. Also enjoy having several of them probably in the order above of most of to least of.

And for Chris I’m a flip flop guy 9/10 living tropical so everything is worth more than my shoes...

It has always intrigued me a lot. I see flashlights paired with knives in many of the photos on the forum "What Spyderco is in your pocket today ??" and I understand that in the USA they are part of the EDC.

But here I've never carried one in my pocket (except when I'm camping) and I don't know anyone who carries it. But not only here. I have lived in a dozen European countries (including France, Germany, Italy, UK, Denmark, etc.) and I have also not seen people carry flashlights as part of their EDC. It must be something cultural .... :confused:
I inspect machinery, big vessels, oil rigs etc at work so a EDC torch is essential. In Australia so not only a US thing.... Good small torches (what we call flashlights in Australia) are super powerful and compact nowadays and come in handy in daily use every now and then....
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