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Smaller P'kal

Postby dd61999 » Thu Apr 08, 2021 6:52 am

After some shivworks training with a clinch pick I really see the benefit of a very small knife in the grappling situations we were put into.

Is there any possibility of a smaller version of the spyderco shivworks p'kal to be created so it is easier to deploy in these grappling situations.

I already notice a huge difference when deploying a Emerson dragonfly compared to my Emerson delica when sitting in a car or other extreme close quarters situations

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Re: Smaller P'kal

Postby Sumdumguy » Thu Apr 08, 2021 7:20 am

Nothing will deploy faster. ;)

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Re: Smaller P'kal

Postby dd61999 » Thu Apr 08, 2021 9:55 am

Sumdumguy wrote:
Thu Apr 08, 2021 7:20 am
Nothing will deploy faster. ;)

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Agreed but carrying a folder in your pocket is exponentially more comfortable then a fixed blade, can be worn in certain environments without being looked down upon such as the office, and is legal in more places then a fixed blade when traveling

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Re: Smaller P'kal

Postby Sumdumguy » Thu Apr 08, 2021 12:22 pm

dd61999 wrote:
Thu Apr 08, 2021 9:55 am
Sumdumguy wrote:
Thu Apr 08, 2021 7:20 am
Nothing will deploy faster. ;)

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Agreed but carrying a folder in your pocket is exponentially more comfortable then a fixed blade, can be worn in certain environments without being looked down upon such as the office, and is legal in more places then a fixed blade when traveling
I never really think about the legal aspect, I'm a really bad dude. ;)

As for comfort, these are so small that they can be comfortably concealed in any outfit, even directly in the pocket.

If you're in a situation that calls for pulling a P'kal in the office and you are concerned with someone's reaction, maybe you should just run. :p

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Re: Smaller P'kal

Postby ZrowsN1s » Thu Apr 08, 2021 2:58 pm

dd61999 wrote:
Thu Apr 08, 2021 6:52 am
After some shivworks training with a clinch pick I really see the benefit of a very small knife in the grappling situations we were put into.

Is there any possibility of a smaller version of the spyderco shivworks p'kal to be created so it is easier to deploy in these grappling situations.

I already notice a huge difference when deploying a Emerson dragonfly compared to my Emerson delica when sitting in a car or other extreme close quarters situations
I've got both knives (pkal, waved Dfly). Im trying to envision a smaller pkal. My hand takes up most of the handle and I have small hands. I use lanyards on the Dfly for better grip.

Are you still thinking of using a smaller pkal in reverse edge in grip?
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Re: Smaller P'kal

Postby dd61999 » Thu Apr 08, 2021 5:35 pm

ZrowsN1s wrote:
Thu Apr 08, 2021 2:58 pm
dd61999 wrote:
Thu Apr 08, 2021 6:52 am
After some shivworks training with a clinch pick I really see the benefit of a very small knife in the grappling situations we were put into.

Is there any possibility of a smaller version of the spyderco shivworks p'kal to be created so it is easier to deploy in these grappling situations.

I already notice a huge difference when deploying a Emerson dragonfly compared to my Emerson delica when sitting in a car or other extreme close quarters situations
I've got both knives (pkal, waved Dfly). Im trying to envision a smaller pkal. My hand takes up most of the handle and I have small hands. I use lanyards on the Dfly for better grip.

Are you still thinking of using a smaller pkal in reverse edge in grip?
The shivworks clinch pick has an even smaller handle and it works great

...and yes, reverse grip edge in

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Re: Smaller P'kal

Postby ZrowsN1s » Thu Apr 08, 2021 11:05 pm

Might work. You should sketch up what you have in mind.
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Re: Smaller P'kal

Postby TomH » Fri Apr 09, 2021 4:48 am

An interesting idea.

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Re: Smaller P'kal

Postby sal » Fri Apr 09, 2021 7:30 pm

Hi DD,

Is that a Shivworks Clinch-pick? What blade size are you thinking? I'm assuming you mean a folder? Have you seen or used our P'Kal?

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Re: Smaller P'kal

Postby dd61999 » Fri Apr 09, 2021 9:13 pm

sal wrote:
Fri Apr 09, 2021 7:30 pm
Hi DD,

Is that a Shivworks Clinch-pick? What blade size are you thinking? I'm assuming you mean a folder? Have you seen or used our P'Kal?

sal

Yes a shivworks clinch pick

I was thinking 2.25-2.5” blade with approximately a three inch handle . In a folder design...I have used the p'kal but it can be to big to deploy when your body is in various grappling positions

I think a smaller knife would be easier to deploy in these situations, hence why I find the original clinch pick to be effective
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Re: Smaller P'kal

Postby dd61999 » Fri Apr 09, 2021 9:15 pm

ZrowsN1s wrote:
Thu Apr 08, 2021 11:05 pm
Might work. You should sketch up what you have in mind.
I’m not known for drawing skills

But a scaled down baby p'kal is what I’m thinking

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Re: Smaller P'kal

Postby GiftedMisfit » Sat Apr 10, 2021 7:48 am

Sumdumguy wrote:
Thu Apr 08, 2021 12:22 pm
dd61999 wrote:
Thu Apr 08, 2021 9:55 am
Sumdumguy wrote:
Thu Apr 08, 2021 7:20 am
Nothing will deploy faster. ;)

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Agreed but carrying a folder in your pocket is exponentially more comfortable then a fixed blade, can be worn in certain environments without being looked down upon such as the office, and is legal in more places then a fixed blade when traveling
I never really think about the legal aspect, I'm a really bad dude. ;)

As for comfort, these are so small that they can be comfortably concealed in any outfit, even directly in the pocket.

If you're in a situation that calls for pulling a P'kal in the office and you are concerned with someone's reaction, maybe you should just run. :p
Lmao, yeah running is probably the way to go.
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Re: Smaller P'kal

Postby dd61999 » Sat Apr 10, 2021 2:46 pm

GiftedMisfit wrote:
Sat Apr 10, 2021 7:48 am
Sumdumguy wrote:
Thu Apr 08, 2021 12:22 pm
dd61999 wrote:
Thu Apr 08, 2021 9:55 am
Sumdumguy wrote:
Thu Apr 08, 2021 7:20 am
Nothing will deploy faster. ;)

Image



Agreed but carrying a folder in your pocket is exponentially more comfortable then a fixed blade, can be worn in certain environments without being looked down upon such as the office, and is legal in more places then a fixed blade when traveling
I never really think about the legal aspect, I'm a really bad dude. ;)

As for comfort, these are so small that they can be comfortably concealed in any outfit, even directly in the pocket.

If you're in a situation that calls for pulling a P'kal in the office and you are concerned with someone's reaction, maybe you should just run. :p
Lmao, yeah running is probably the way to go.

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Re: Smaller P'kal

Postby sal » Sat Apr 10, 2021 4:27 pm

You mentioned "grappling". Are you a LEO? Where do you carry your Clinch Pick and how do you deploy it?

The handle on our P'Kal is not quite 4.5", A 3" handle would be only for 3 fingers and might be hard to hold onto in a situation? The "Clinch Pick" shown has a Perrin Finger Ring which certainly helps with retention. Have you seen a "Swick"?

Our P'Kal has a large indent next to the spine of the blade to help with retention. Are you thinking to keep the indent, but just make the blade and handle shorter?

I can't find any information or reference to the "Clinch Pick" shown above. All I can find is Southnarc's original version. Can you point me to any?

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Re: Smaller P'kal

Postby Sumdumguy » Sat Apr 10, 2021 4:40 pm

sal wrote:
Sat Apr 10, 2021 4:27 pm
You mentioned "grappling". Are you a LEO? Where do you carry your Clinch Pick and how do you deploy it?

The handle on our P'Kal is not quite 4.5", A 3" handle would be only for 3 fingers and might be hard to hold onto in a situation? The "Clinch Pick" shown has a Perrin Finger Ring which certainly helps with retention. Have you seen a "Swick"?

Our P'Kal has a large indent next to the spine of the blade to help with retention. Are you thinking to keep the indent, but just make the blade and handle shorter?

sal
Correct! It is one of Fred's custom La Griffe.

I've been stalking his instagram for a while, waiting for certain pictures to be posted. :p

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Re: Smaller P'kal

Postby sal » Sat Apr 10, 2021 4:49 pm

We use Fred's Finger Ring on our Swick which works for Forward and reverse grip using the index finger of the pinky in the finger ring. It will deploy very quickly from a neck, belt or pocket, but the edge is out, not up or in. I imagine a custom Swick could be made?

I'll think about a smaller P'Kal, or maybe ask Roque, or proto guy to cut a P'Kal down for me to play with. I don't think that taking off a half or even 3/4 of an inch would make that much difference. I'll try to draw one up with a 2.0" blade.

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Re: Smaller P'kal

Postby Sumdumguy » Sat Apr 10, 2021 4:58 pm

Just a few pictures of the Swick, for reference.

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I love this model. I'm "patiently" waiting on a few customs from Monsieur Perrin.

(Also, the Swick 5/6)

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Re: Smaller P'kal

Postby sal » Sat Apr 10, 2021 5:06 pm

Fred is a great designer, a skilled practitioner and a generally good guy. I've learned a great deal from him and Mike Janich, also top drawer..

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Re: Smaller P'kal

Postby Sumdumguy » Sat Apr 10, 2021 5:33 pm

Agreed on both.

Provided BladeShow doesn't get canceled again, I'll be able to pester both of them and loiter at the prototype case. Atleast, until I'm shooed away...

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Re: Smaller P'kal

Postby sal » Sat Apr 10, 2021 6:18 pm

We never shoo anyone away from the prototype case.

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