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Exclusive Questions for Sal, Kristy, or Michael Janich

Postby ugaarguy » Wed Feb 24, 2021 3:01 pm

Spyderco team, Cutlery Shoppe has announced their exclusive wharncliffe blade Para Military 2 will be made available at 10 AM Mountain Time Friday morning, 2/26/21. They say it's a 900 piece run that won't be repeated. These are also just regular S30V blade steel and black G10 handles, not the normal S90V and orange G10 (or FRN) that's been a long standing CS exclusive blade steel and handle color combo.

From Sal's previous posts, I thought that exclusives were 1200 pieces minimum, and that Spyderco was encouraging dealers to order more since demand has become so high. From another previous post of Sal's, I read that dealers lose the right to exclusivity if an exclusive model isn't re-ordered on some form of regular basis. So, why is CS allowed to lock up this popular blade shape on a popular model with a single run of of only 900 pieces? I'd understand if they did this in their orange handle / S90V combo that they do many exclusives in, but I don't get letting them lock up a standard black handle / S30V combo. For comparison, BHQ has done several runs of their exclusive Tanto PM2 in the standard black handle / S30V combo, and just one run of jade G10 / M4 combo that's repeated on different models but never the same model. If dealers do need to reorder to keep exclusivity, then how long would another dealer (or Spyderco itself) need to wait to make another run of this variant, since CS has publicly stated, both on their website and on their social media accounts, that they have no intention to order further runs?

I'm not a big PM2 fan, so this model doesn't do much for me, but if Cutlery Shoppe's claims are true, it does make me worry that dealers are going to be able to lock out alternate blade shapes in standard handle and blade steel combos with a single, low quantity run.

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Re: Exclusive Questions for Sal, Kristy, or Michael Janich

Postby steelcity16 » Wed Feb 24, 2021 4:10 pm

** 900 PIECE LIMITED ONE-TIME RUN **

This brand new blade shape is exclusive to Cutlery Shoppe for the Para Military 2 & Para 3 platforms, and this is the "launch" knife and the first of many to come.


Looks like they are probably doing the minimum on the base black/S30V run(s), and then I'd venture to guess they will do some runs in their signature Orange G10 with CTS-XHP or S90V and probably some DLC and Satin variations. Don't fret! :D
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Re: Exclusive Questions for Sal, Kristy, or Michael Janich

Postby sal » Wed Feb 24, 2021 4:11 pm

Hi Ugaarguy,

Good questions. Kristi and Mike are on it for the answers.

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Postby araneae » Wed Feb 24, 2021 8:06 pm

Doing blade shapes as dealer exclusives seems like a bad choice for the consumer and Spyderco. Especially on a wharncliffe which has proven very popular for Spyderco lately.
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Re: Exclusive Questions for Sal, Kristy, or Michael Janich

Postby Wartstein » Wed Feb 24, 2021 8:13 pm

For me the important question here is:
- Which exact blade shape on PM2 does "belong" to CS now?:
- Any wharncliffe shape?
' Or just this particular shape, so if Spyderco just changed some lines (curve of the spine for example) they could still do a regular production PM2 wharnie themselve?
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Re: Exclusive Questions for Sal, Kristy, or Michael Janich

Postby jpm2 » Wed Feb 24, 2021 8:19 pm

Specific model/blade shape/steel/coating/handle type/handle color.
Spyderco or any other dealer can do the same thing if they change just one of those parameters?
If the dealer doesn't re order in a specific time, it's no longer exclusive, yes?

I don't see a problem with a dealer, or distributor taking a chance on something new, that Spyderco wouldn't do themselves.
Seems like a win all around, except for the dealer if it goes bust.

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Postby cycleguy » Wed Feb 24, 2021 10:27 pm

My guess - Spyderco is now transitioning from S30V for their regular production knives and is making this steel available to dealers and distributors; Spyderco will likely do/or have option to do same knives as regular production knives, but in SPY27. Can these two steels exist in the line-up side x side otherwise?

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Re: Exclusive Questions for Sal, Kristy, or Michael Janich

Postby Liquid Cobra » Wed Feb 24, 2021 10:44 pm

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Doing blade shapes as dealer exclusives seems like a bad choice for the consumer and Spyderco. Especially on a wharncliffe which has proven very popular for Spyderco lately.
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Re: Exclusive Questions for Sal, Kristy, or Michael Janich

Postby Cl1ff » Wed Feb 24, 2021 11:01 pm

cycleguy wrote:
Wed Feb 24, 2021 10:27 pm
My guess - Spyderco is now transitioning from S30V for their regular production knives and is making this steel available to dealers and distributors; Spyderco will likely do/or have option to do same knives as regular production knives, but in SPY27. Can these two steels exist in the line-up side x side otherwise?

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Seems unlikely since we know a few models are being produced S45vn?

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Postby Doc Dan » Wed Feb 24, 2021 11:18 pm

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Re: Exclusive Questions for Sal, Kristy, or Michael Janich

Postby Wartstein » Wed Feb 24, 2021 11:42 pm

jpm2 wrote:
Wed Feb 24, 2021 8:19 pm
Specific model/blade shape/steel/coating/handle type/handle color.
Spyderco or any other dealer can do the same thing if they change just one of those parameters?
If the dealer doesn't re order in a specific time, it's no longer exclusive, yes?

I don't see a problem with a dealer, or distributor taking a chance on something new, that Spyderco wouldn't do themselves.
Seems like a win all around, except for the dealer if it goes bust.

Right, you put it better than I did by listing other possible parameters!
So:
a.) Does any wharnie blade shape in a PM 2 "belong" to cutlery shop now?
b.) Does only this exact kind of wharnie blade shape "belong" to cs (so if for example the drop of the spine to the tip git changed a little bit THIS shape would NOT "belong" to them anymore)

For me it (sadly?) is pretty clear that no matter if it is a) or b), the "shape belongs" to cs in whatever steel the blade comes. So not like someone suggested just in S30V.
They say clearly on theit site (quote): "This brand new blade shape is exclusive to Cutlery Shoppe for the Para Military 2 & Para 3 platforms, and this is the "launch" knife and the first of many to come." Now since the S30V run will be limited to 900 pieces, that subsequently means there must be other steels for that knife in the future, right?
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Re: Exclusive Questions for Sal, Kristy, or Michael Janich

Postby RamZar » Wed Feb 24, 2021 11:50 pm

I don’t think there should be lifetime dealer exclusives on anything specially blade shapes. I can understand granting exclusives on blade shapes for a limited time.
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Re: Exclusive Questions for Sal, Kristy, or Michael Janich

Postby TomAiello » Thu Feb 25, 2021 12:06 am

Doc Dan wrote:
Wed Feb 24, 2021 11:18 pm
This is a self defense minded person's dream knife.
I'm actually having trouble seeing why I'd want this one instead of my Canis.

I might have to buy it to compare in hand. :)

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Re: Exclusive Questions for Sal, Kristy, or Michael Janich

Postby TomAiello » Thu Feb 25, 2021 12:07 am

Wartstein wrote:
Wed Feb 24, 2021 11:42 pm
Now since the S30V run will be limited to 900 pieces, that subsequently means there must be other steels for that knife in the future, right?
I'd be more interested in this model in a different, steel, so I hope so.

S90v would be nice. Or Cruwear.

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Re: Exclusive Questions for Sal, Kristy, or Michael Janich

Postby Wartstein » Thu Feb 25, 2021 12:33 am

TomAiello wrote:
Thu Feb 25, 2021 12:07 am
Wartstein wrote:
Wed Feb 24, 2021 11:42 pm
Now since the S30V run will be limited to 900 pieces, that subsequently means there must be other steels for that knife in the future, right?
I'd be more interested in this model in a different, steel, so I hope so.

S90v would be nice. Or Cruwear.

I personally do like the PM2 (and still think everyone should try one at some point), but it is not my absolute favorite, and so I would not get a wharnie PM2, regardless of the steel (as others have mentioned: If a comp. lock wharnie, I´d go for the Yojimbo or do the "Evil D mod" on a Caribbean).

But: If they ever do a Manix LW wharnie in SE... that would be a different story... :rolleyes:
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Re: Exclusive Questions for Sal, Kristy, or Michael Janich

Postby Notsurewhy » Thu Feb 25, 2021 6:21 pm

TomAiello wrote:
Thu Feb 25, 2021 12:06 am
Doc Dan wrote:
Wed Feb 24, 2021 11:18 pm
This is a self defense minded person's dream knife.
I'm actually having trouble seeing why I'd want this one instead of my Canis.

I might have to buy it to compare in hand. :)
Well to start, it's $38 cheaper than the canis.

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Postby Sharp Guy » Thu Feb 25, 2021 6:33 pm

Liquid Cobra wrote:
Wed Feb 24, 2021 10:44 pm
araneae wrote:
Wed Feb 24, 2021 8:06 pm
Doing blade shapes as dealer exclusives seems like a bad choice for the consumer and Spyderco. Especially on a wharncliffe which has proven very popular for Spyderco lately.
Absolutely agree.
I agree too. Color & Steel type is one thing but but blade shape doesn't seem right. I could see CS getting the Wharnie for CTS-XHP / Orange G10 but giving them the right to any PM2 with the Wharncliffe shape seems to broad. I feel the same regarding BHQ having rights to the Tanto version. Just doesn't seem right to me
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Re: Exclusive Questions for Sal, Kristy, or Michael Janich

Postby Spydergirl88 » Thu Feb 25, 2021 6:34 pm

Notsurewhy wrote:
Thu Feb 25, 2021 6:21 pm
TomAiello wrote:
Thu Feb 25, 2021 12:06 am
Doc Dan wrote:
Wed Feb 24, 2021 11:18 pm
This is a self defense minded person's dream knife.
I'm actually having trouble seeing why I'd want this one instead of my Canis.

I might have to buy it to compare in hand. :)
Well to start, it's $38 cheaper than the canis.
Also the Canis I got had a weak detent... I've always had better luck with Golden comp locks

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Re: Exclusive Questions for Sal, Kristy, or Michael Janich

Postby mikey177 » Thu Feb 25, 2021 9:39 pm

It might be cheaper, but it's a 900 piece one-time batch. I'll stick with my Canis and forego the feeding frenzy on this one.

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Re: Exclusive Questions for Sal, Kristy, or Michael Janich

Postby joeyviner » Fri Feb 26, 2021 12:18 am

mikey177 wrote:
Thu Feb 25, 2021 9:39 pm
It might be cheaper, but it's a 900 piece one-time batch. I'll stick with my Canis and forego the feeding frenzy on this one.
As tbdoc4kids pointed out in the other thread, CS changed the text on the page to now just say "exclusive order" not "one time run". So they're obviously going to order more if it sells out immediately.

It's also similar to the RockJumper, not just the Canis. I'm liking the choil and comp lock and usa-made on this one though.


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