The Return of the Persian

Discuss Spyderco's products and history.

More of Ed Schempp's Persian!

Poll ended at Fri Feb 19, 2021 7:23 am

YES
45
74%
MAYBE
11
18%
NO
5
8%
 
Total votes: 61

User avatar
kobold
Member
Posts: 506
Joined: Mon Aug 24, 2020 12:38 am
Location: The Swamp

The Return of the Persian

Postby kobold » Fri Feb 12, 2021 7:23 am

Here it is. A beauty:

Image
Military: S90V, S110V, Fluted Ti. PM2 & Para 3: Maxamet. Native 5: Rex45, LC200N SE, S35VN SE, Spy27, Fluted Ti. Native Chief: S90V, Rex45.
Chaparral: Raffir Noble, Birdseye Maple. Tasman Salt 2 SE, Caribbean Sheepfoot SE., SpydieChef, Swayback, Manix2 S110V, GB2.
Incoming: Native 5 fluted CF
spy_kobold on reddit.

The Meat man
Member
Posts: 4863
Joined: Wed Jan 03, 2018 8:01 pm
Location: Missouri, USA

Re: The Return of the Persian

Postby The Meat man » Fri Feb 12, 2021 7:28 am

Absolutely! The Persian is my favorite Schempp design. Never owned one but I would love to some day!
- Connor

"What is a man profited, if he shall gain the whole world, and lose his own soul?"

VashHash
Member
Posts: 4305
Joined: Mon Aug 03, 2009 2:49 pm
Location: Louisiana

Re: The Return of the Persian

Postby VashHash » Fri Feb 12, 2021 7:34 am

I voted yes. Unfortunately the Persian doesn't fit my hand but I'd like to see it come back for everyone else who didn't get a chance to try it. Definitely an elegant knife. Of course I think the Kris is in line first since the Persian had a sprint a few years ago. Sal said its on hold because of factory capabilities or lack thereof.

Salty Dog
Member
Posts: 294
Joined: Sat Oct 03, 2020 10:41 am
Location: Sydney Australia

Re: The Return of the Persian

Postby Salty Dog » Fri Feb 12, 2021 7:44 am

Definite yes from me, beautiful looking knife with some great angles.

User avatar
Sharp Guy
Member
Posts: 6421
Joined: Tue Jan 26, 2016 2:19 pm
Location: Over here!

Re: The Return of the Persian

Postby Sharp Guy » Fri Feb 12, 2021 8:05 am

Just yesterday I thought of my small Persian and realized I need to get it into my pocket more

Image
Of all the things I've lost I miss my mind the most!

User avatar
TKCSA
Member
Posts: 31
Joined: Tue Feb 09, 2021 11:38 pm
Location: South...Wayyyy South.

Re: The Return of the Persian

Postby TKCSA » Fri Feb 12, 2021 8:08 am

Ahh yes the Persian has always been a grail for me - simply in love with this elegant design.

User avatar
DSH007
Member
Posts: 842
Joined: Fri Mar 23, 2018 4:49 pm
Location: Merrimac, MA

Re: The Return of the Persian

Postby DSH007 » Fri Feb 12, 2021 8:49 am

Looks like a very ergonomic and classy design. I'd definitely be interested in giving it a try if the price was right and the availability was there, but I don't think I'd go out of my way to "have to have one," like with some other models..

Voted "maybe."
Rick H.

..well, that escalated quickly..

Spydergirl88
Member
Posts: 8051
Joined: Fri Jul 17, 2015 12:42 pm

Re: The Return of the Persian

Postby Spydergirl88 » Fri Feb 12, 2021 9:08 am

Yes but I want ffg, micarta or smooth g10 scales and a wire clip or at least a regular 3 hole clip

User avatar
jdw
Member
Posts: 1289
Joined: Thu Aug 25, 2016 6:10 pm
Location: Red Dirt

Re: The Return of the Persian

Postby jdw » Fri Feb 12, 2021 9:09 am

Both versions of the Persian are two of my all time favorites. A definite yes for me.
Do right always. It will give you satisfaction in life.
--Wovoka

rangefinder
Member
Posts: 149
Joined: Mon Apr 27, 2009 12:19 am

Re: The Return of the Persian

Postby rangefinder » Fri Feb 12, 2021 9:54 am

Voted "maybe"...

I don't think this specific model has to return. But I would like to see a Persian-style knife in the lineup.

I certainly wouldn't complain if the Ed Schempp Persian came back, but it could also be a new/different design.

For example, Peter Rasenti has made Persian-style customs in the past. Maybe he could translate one of those designs into a production model for Spyderco.

VashHash
Member
Posts: 4305
Joined: Mon Aug 03, 2009 2:49 pm
Location: Louisiana

Re: The Return of the Persian

Postby VashHash » Fri Feb 12, 2021 10:23 am

Years ago there was a larger prototype Persian. I'd like to see that. Probably fit my hand better than the standard model.

User avatar
JRinFL
Member
Posts: 1692
Joined: Wed Nov 18, 2015 10:30 am
Location: Unfashionable West End of the Galaxy

Re: The Return of the Persian

Postby JRinFL » Fri Feb 12, 2021 10:28 am

I'd say yes to small, medium, and large!
Used to be JR in CT with a much earlier join date. :rolleyes: :spyder: Native in 440v was my gateway Spyderco! :spyder: Wharnie for the whin! Friends call me Jim. As do my foes.

kodai78
Member
Posts: 256
Joined: Fri Apr 06, 2018 9:14 pm
Location: Houston, Texas

Re: The Return of the Persian

Postby kodai78 » Fri Feb 12, 2021 9:09 pm

Yes! Yes! Yes! To all 3 sizes. I love my Ed Schempp Bowie and would like to add another of his designs.
:spyder: Smock, Baby Jess Horn CE, Spydiechef, Schempp Bowie,Ti Fluted Military, Titanium Military, Native S30 V and G10, PM 2 in S35VN, and S110V, Manix 2 LW BD1, Sage 5, Positron black CPM S30V, Chaparral w/Raffir Noble scales, SuperLeaf VG 10, Ladybug H1, Dragonfly 2 in ZDP 189 and Superblue/420J1 and H1, Delica in ZDP 189, Clipitool Standard, the Cook’s knife VG10, Santorum, paring and utility knives, all in MBS 26. :spyder:

User avatar
TkoK83Spy
Member
Posts: 6441
Joined: Mon Sep 17, 2018 5:32 pm
Location: Syracuse, NY

Re: The Return of the Persian

Postby TkoK83Spy » Fri Feb 12, 2021 9:44 pm

So many different swoops and angles going on. I had the persian style blade in the ZT 0460, but it just didn't work for me at work. Something about this though, at a reasonable price, I'd probably give it a shot. Very cool and unique!
21 :spyder:'s in 14 different steels
1- Zero Tolerance 0470
1 - Microtech Ultratech DE OTF
1 - Benchmade 940 (BHQ Exclusive/M4)
1 - CRK Small Sebenza 31/Macassar Ebony Inlays
1 - CRK Large Inkosi Insingo/ Black Micarta Inlays
1 - Bradford Guardian 3/Wharnie Vanadis 4E
1 - WE Knives Gentry

-Rick

User avatar
wrdwrght
Member
Posts: 3569
Joined: Tue Mar 01, 2011 9:35 am

Re: The Return of the Persian

Postby wrdwrght » Fri Feb 12, 2021 10:02 pm

I may be misremembering, but didn’t Sal say that Schempps such as the Persian might not be possible any longer because of Moki’s changeover of generations.

Originals do show up on the secondary market...
...experience the spirit of the design that the designer has built into the 3 D version of his mental idea. - S. Glesser (ever mindful of a mentor’s “Simplicate and add lightness”)

-Marc

User avatar
Freediver
Member
Posts: 963
Joined: Tue Jul 28, 2009 10:03 pm

Re: The Return of the Persian

Postby Freediver » Fri Feb 12, 2021 10:38 pm

Yes please!!

User avatar
sal
Member
Posts: 14464
Joined: Fri Sep 24, 2004 12:00 pm
Location: Golden, Colorado USA

Re: The Return of the Persian

Postby sal » Fri Feb 12, 2021 11:23 pm

I can look into it. Full flat? Steel" handle material? Bolsers? Changes? Ed's opinon?

sal

User avatar
Freediver
Member
Posts: 963
Joined: Tue Jul 28, 2009 10:03 pm

Re: The Return of the Persian

Postby Freediver » Sat Feb 13, 2021 2:01 am

The bolster is a must in my opinion. The bolster with some sort of micarta would be amazing. I’m honestly fine with vg10.

User avatar
Wartstein
Member
Posts: 8969
Joined: Mon Jul 02, 2018 10:06 am
Location: Salzburg, Austria, Europe

Re: The Return of the Persian

Postby Wartstein » Sat Feb 13, 2021 2:41 am

Voted yes, there is a lot to like here!

For me personally especially in the Persian folder 2 (G10) https://www.spyderco.com/catalog/details/C83G2/601, since I like its lighter weight (though the looks of the heavier bolstered version are amazing!)

If an upsweaped tip works for me is something I´d have to try (though, tbh, I think it might be not the most practical for EDC, cause for many "tip works" the hand would have to be in an akward angle? Just a guess though)

Could anyone post a comparison pic of the larger Persian to some "main" Spyderco model (PM2, Manix, Endura, whatever...)?
I´d like to check if the grip area between "guard" at the front end and "hook" at the rear end is long enough for larger hands...
Top three going by pocket-time: Endura 4 in VG 10/Micarta-scales; Stretch 1 in VG 10; Endura 4 in HAP 40

PSquared
Member
Posts: 574
Joined: Fri Aug 19, 2011 9:44 am
Location: Cape Town, South Africa

Re: The Return of the Persian

Postby PSquared » Sat Feb 13, 2021 4:04 am

Firstly the thread needs a photo of a G10 Persian 2 - my 76mm

Image

This is a minefield. First and foremost, assuming the bolstered version is where this goes - is it pinned or screwed? Aesthetically, I prefer a pinned pivot as the original was but practically I'd want a pivot bolt ... whatever route you go there are going to be unhappy, vocal people that would have preferred the alternative pivot - sales will no doubt be impacted.

The next thing is Moki themselves as @wrdwrght has mentioned. I'm not sure what they can and can't do any more. When they produce a knife there is often wailing and gnashing of teeth about gritty pivots, excess machining oil everywhere, washerless construction, etc. I'm not sure how much this "reputation" affects sales. My last Moki knife was the Baby Horn sprint and whilst it wasn't perfect out the box it wasn't anything a bit care couldn't sort out. It is/was still available 3 years after its release which cannot be good. In fact I suspect I picked up my Persian 2 well after they were discontinued as well.

More of an issue is can Moki still produce a bolstered knife? Talk at the time of the last Kopa sprint was that they couldn't. There is talk that the FRN Caly is moving to Taiwan but it looks like JD's Ayoop will be made at Moki ... as I say, I'm not sure what they can be realistically asked to produce. What they can produce will probably drive this more than what forumites want.

As to the knife itself, my issues with the design based on my G10 version are the lack of guard in the choil. It's a very shallow choil with the edge right there. I'd prefer either a deeper coil or a nib or something to at least feel how close you are to the edge when push cutting into resistant material.

My J-clip was a fail. It was incredibly tight against the G10 and was shredding pockets quicker than necessary. I took it off to bend it slightly and it snapped with very, very light pressure. I have adjusted many, many clips and this one had little or no spring in it. I'd suggest a redesign to either a standard 3 screw or wire clip if this goes anywhere.

I really like the Persian blade shape but I'd prefer a Persian blade with a revised choil / tang in either a Caly or Harpy type handle ... or even a Persian Delica. I'm afraid I voted "no".


Return to “Spyderco General Discussion”

Who is online

Users browsing this forum: Holybotulism, Joshua J., JRinFL, Peacedivision, Spydergirl88, Stuart Ackerman, thebard42, wrdwrght and 32 guests