Re: All Time Great Spyderco Full SE models?
Posted: Sun Jan 10, 2021 6:25 pm
Autonomy
I"ve never owned one of them but I sure can't argue with all the testimonies I've heard about the AUTONOMY model. Just goes to show everyone that there are a lot more of the newer Spyderco models that should be given a chance in SE.
I’m totally with you JD!JD Spydo wrote: ↑Sun Jan 10, 2021 11:27 pmJust goes to show everyone that there are a lot more of the newer Spyderco models that should be given a chance in SE.
I still want to see at least one Spyderco "recurve" model in full SE. The ULIZE would be at the top of my list>> but a Spyker would be nice as well..
Interesting that you would bring up the Captain model. Because I did some digging on that one some time back and discovered that the original prototype of the original Breeden design of the Captain was in SE. That is the inner arch part was SE and the rounded, pendulum end was still PE which is kind how I would want it. Just think of what an awesome rope, cord and twine cutter that would be :cool:Cl1ff wrote: ↑Mon Jan 11, 2021 4:13 amThe Ulize is a perfect candidate, but imagine a serrated Subvert too!JD Spydo wrote: ↑Sun Jan 10, 2021 11:27 pmJust goes to show everyone that there are a lot more of the newer Spyderco models that should be given a chance in SE.
I still want to see at least one Spyderco "recurve" model in full SE. The ULIZE would be at the top of my list>> but a Spyker would be nice as well..
Really all of the recurves were great, from the Captain to the Kris, and sadly never got a chance with serrations (not counting the awesome hawkbills and reverse S of course).
I’m in for more Serrations across the board because they give any knife so much more of a cutting advantage which is compounded in wharncliffes and recurves.
But it is true that Jason Breeden's first prototype of the Captain model way before it became one of Spyderco's great collaborations was shown to many as an SE model. Again it was only serrated in the "inner arch" part of the blade leaving the rounded, pendulum end in PE. Which was A-OK with me.
It does seem a little strange that his followup collab, the Rescue wasn't done in SE, also.JD Spydo wrote: ↑Tue Jan 12, 2021 8:12 amBut it is true that Jason Breeden's first prototype of the Captain model way before it became one of Spyderco's great collaborations was shown to many as an SE model. Again it was only serrated in the "inner arch" part of the blade leaving the rounded, pendulum end in PE. Which was A-OK with me.
But a full SE Captain in a Sprint Run might just be my next project/exploration lobbying for the next Sprint Run. Oh I know I'm a bit ahead of myself because the C-60 hasn't even been completed yet. But it just doesn't hurt to think ahead sometimes
Also I'm hoping at some point that Spyderco and Jason Breeden eventually do another collaboration.
We need another run of these! I've seen them for sale but at prices that would prevent me using the knife without regret.prndltech wrote: ↑Sun Jan 10, 2021 5:40 pmI have wanted a serrated lil matriarch for a long time and have never been able to find one :cool:RadioactiveSpyder wrote: ↑Fri Jan 08, 2021 4:27 pmThe Lil’ Matriarch is my personal favorite SE Spyderco. :)
We need another run of these! I've seen them for sale but at prices that would prevent me using the knife without regret.prndltech wrote: ↑Sun Jan 10, 2021 5:40 pmI have wanted a serrated lil matriarch for a long time and have never been able to find one :cool:RadioactiveSpyder wrote: ↑Fri Jan 08, 2021 4:27 pmThe Lil’ Matriarch is my personal favorite SE Spyderco. :)
Had both of those BREEDEN models been done in SE I believe at least one of them would still be in the main line up. Because both designs were just made for SE uses IMO. I just don't see the advantages ( if any) making those two models in PE :confused:Donut wrote: ↑Wed Jan 13, 2021 9:47 amIt does seem a little strange that his followup collab, the Rescue wasn't done in SE, also.JD Spydo wrote: ↑Tue Jan 12, 2021 8:12 amBut it is true that Jason Breeden's first prototype of the Captain model way before it became one of Spyderco's great collaborations was shown to many as an SE model. Again it was only serrated in the "inner arch" part of the blade leaving the rounded, pendulum end in PE. Which was A-OK with me.
But a full SE Captain in a Sprint Run might just be my next project/exploration lobbying for the next Sprint Run. Oh I know I'm a bit ahead of myself because the C-60 hasn't even been completed yet. But it just doesn't hurt to think ahead sometimes
Also I'm hoping at some point that Spyderco and Jason Breeden eventually do another collaboration.
I'm not so sure, they were on the pricy side.JD Spydo wrote: ↑Wed Jan 13, 2021 10:58 amHad both of those BREEDEN models been done in SE I believe at least one of them would still be in the main line up. Because both designs were just made for SE uses IMO. I just don't see the advantages ( if any) making those two models in PE :confused:
If I ever get my hands on another on another Breeden RESCUE I think I would truly spend the money to send it to Wiley Knives and have them put serrations on it. I've been reluctant to do that hoping that Spyderco would start to make more SE models. Especially with the apparent increase in popularity of SE models.
With no disrespect intended to Spyderco meant at all>> I wish they would talk to us about these issues more because truly it would have been to their advantage>> I'm sure the sales of both models would have been double if not Four-Fold. Because both of those models would have been far more useful in SE >> I'm certain of it.
I think you might have missed my main point in what I said. But you are right when you pointed out that when the Breeden models were in the main line up they were just a bit on the pricey side. But during that time slot of 2010 to 2013 there seemed like a lot of price escalation going on across the board in Spyderco's main line up. Our old pal Doc Snubnose pointed that out to me on several occasions.Donut wrote: ↑Thu Jan 14, 2021 7:03 amI'm not so sure, they were on the pricy side.JD Spydo wrote: ↑Wed Jan 13, 2021 10:58 amHad both of those BREEDEN models been done in SE I believe at least one of them would still be in the main line up. Because both designs were just made for SE uses IMO. I just don't see the advantages ( if any) making those two models in PE :confused:
If I ever get my hands on another on another Breeden RESCUE I think I would truly spend the money to send it to Wiley Knives and have them put serrations on it. I've been reluctant to do that hoping that Spyderco would start to make more SE models. Especially with the apparent increase in popularity of SE models.
With no disrespect intended to Spyderco meant at all>> I wish they would talk to us about these issues more because truly it would have been to their advantage>> I'm sure the sales of both models would have been double if not Four-Fold. Because both of those models would have been far more useful in SE >> I'm certain of it.
For a while I had in my signature that I was looking for Japan liner locks. Japan liner locks are usually very nice, but they aren't like most USA liner locks. They operate very smooth, the detent isn't very strong so they aren't good "flippers" and don't rocket open. They are more gentleman style where it is good to smooth controlled open them.
I think a lot of knife people would think that they aren't well made because they don't meet the requirements that cheap knives need to meet, but they are just different.
And please ask yourself how much better is that Salt Series model in that picture is in SE? I can guarantee you that the serrated version of that model would out-sell a plain edged in that same model by probably 6 to 1 and that's being conservative with my estimate.
Monty wrote: ↑Wed Jan 13, 2021 10:24 amWe need another run of these! I've seen them for sale but at prices that would prevent me using the knife without regret.prndltech wrote: ↑Sun Jan 10, 2021 5:40 pmI have wanted a serrated lil matriarch for a long time and have never been able to find one :cool:RadioactiveSpyder wrote: ↑Fri Jan 08, 2021 4:27 pmThe Lil’ Matriarch is my personal favorite SE Spyderco. :)
I think you underestimate how much most of the world doesn't like SE. :p I've heard people say that you can't sharpen SE and for 99% of the population... sharpening SE is a serious problem that they can't fix.JD Spydo wrote: ↑Thu Jan 14, 2021 7:54 amI think you might have missed my main point in what I said. But you are right when you pointed out that when the Breeden models were in the main line up they were just a bit on the pricey side. But during that time slot of 2010 to 2013 there seemed like a lot of price escalation going on across the board in Spyderco's main line up. Our old pal Doc Snubnose pointed that out to me on several occasions.
But I'm still quite certain that both the Breeden models that Spyderco did would have done much, much better on the sales charts had they been made available in FULL SE.
Because how many of Spyderco's own sheepsfoot/Rescue type blades were sold in PE? Not very many were there? How many Spyderco Hawkbills were sold in PE>> not many there either. Which tells me that there are types of blades and blade designs that fare much, much better in the market place with serrations. In the past you and I have agreed more than we've disagreed and I think you just don't quite understand where I was going with that last post.
I would love to have a C-111 Captain and Breeden RESCUE both in SE>>> I got a feeling that you would too. Again ask yourself how many RESCUE/sheepsfoot type blades did Spyderco ever sell in PE? Not many at all>> But they sure sold hundreds of them in SE in those particular blade styles/designs. The proof is in the serrated pudding on this one my friend :cool:
OK first off I do hear and understand what you're saying. But I'm going to buck the popular opinion just to play "devil's advocate" for the sake of conversation. I kind of take issue with you that Spyderedges and serrations in general are universally "not liked" :confused: In the past two years I'm seeing a trend developing in the other direction.Donut wrote: ↑Thu Jan 14, 2021 10:41 amI think you underestimate how much most of the world doesn't like SE. :p I've heard people say that you can't sharpen SE and for 99% of the population... sharpening SE is a serious problem that they can't fix.JD Spydo wrote: ↑Thu Jan 14, 2021 7:54 amI think you might have missed my main point in what I said. But you are right when you pointed out that when the Breeden models were in the main line up they were just a bit on the pricey side. But during that time slot of 2010 to 2013 there seemed like a lot of price escalation going on across the board in Spyderco's main line up. Our old pal Doc Snubnose pointed that out to me on several occasions.
But I'm still quite certain that both the Breeden models that Spyderco did would have done much, much better on the sales charts had they been made available in FULL SE.
Because how many of Spyderco's own sheepsfoot/Rescue type blades were sold in PE? Not very many were there? How many Spyderco Hawkbills were sold in PE>> not many there either. Which tells me that there are types of blades and blade designs that fare much, much better in the market place with serrations. In the past you and I have agreed more than we've disagreed and I think you just don't quite understand where I was going with that last post.
I would love to have a C-111 Captain and Breeden RESCUE both in SE>>> I got a feeling that you would too. Again ask yourself how many RESCUE/sheepsfoot type blades did Spyderco ever sell in PE? Not many at all>> But they sure sold hundreds of them in SE in those particular blade styles/designs. The proof is in the serrated pudding on this one my friend :cool:
Now that I look back, I think I paid $120 ish for my Captain, right now that seems like a bargain.
I really hope you're right. We will see how it goes!JD Spydo wrote: ↑Thu Jan 14, 2021 1:02 pmOK first off I do hear and understand what you're saying. But I'm going to buck the popular opinion just to play "devil's advocate" for the sake of conversation. I kind of take issue with you that Spyderedges and serrations in general are universally "not liked" :confused: In the past two years I'm seeing a trend developing in the other direction.
And I do realize that our cozy little group we have here at Spyderville, Bladeforums and a couple of other websites I could name are just a microcosm of the entire knife loving world>> and we are for sure a small percentage of knife users in this country and the world too for that matter. But with that aside here in the past two years I'm running into people at gun shows and out hunting and fishing that I strike up conversations with about knives and I'm not getting nearly as many negative opinions on serrated blades as I used to hear from the knife loving public.
Mainly because Spyderco and other premium companies that make serrated blades are getting a much bigger market share in the last two years and there are more and more other knife companies that are doing combo edges and a few of them are even dabbling with full SE edges>> and many of them are the same people that use to regard SE blades as "disgusting" and impossible to sharpen. That overall negative opinion of SE blades is changing and I'm seeing it change first hand even here where I live ( Kansas City, MO metro area). You put serrations on an aggressive blade like that C-111 Captain or any of the Hawkbills and recurves I think you will see more people gravitate in that direction. I'm truly seeing a change in the landscape in people's attitude of full SE blades. Give it a chance my Brother :)