Have you owned a Spyderco lockback with zero play?

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Have you owned a Spyderco lockback with zero play?

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Have you owned a Spyderco lockback with zero play?

Postby vivi » Mon Nov 23, 2020 8:05 am

Have you owned a Spyderco lockback with zero play?

I haven't.

Whether they are US, Japanese or Chinese Spyderco lockbacks, all of them have some degree of vertical play when pushing the cutting edge into thick materials.

I've tried Natives, Centofante 3/4, C95 Manix, C95 sprint, Siren, Cara Cara 1/2, Meadowlark, Flight, Crossbill, Tasman Salt, Pacific Salt 1 pinned, Pacific Salt 1 screw pivot, Pacific Salt 2 H1 & LC200N, Police 1/3/4/4LW, Atlantic Salt, Ladybug, Worker, Co-Pilot, Micro-Dyad, Stretch 1 FRN, Stretch 1 CF/ZDP, Delica 4, Spyderhawk (both sprints), Caly Jr, Caly 3, Caly 3.5, Calypso brown G10 sprint, Endura 3/4/Wave, Dragonfly and others I'm forgetting.

Now the little bit of blade play in these knives doesn't bother me. I'm used to it, and lockbacks are still my favorite lock.

What does bug me are all the reports on this forum of lockbacks with zero play when I've yet to handle one after handling over 400 Spyderco lockbacks over the last 15 years.
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Re: Have you owned a Spyderco lockback with zero play?

Postby Wartstein » Mon Nov 23, 2020 8:16 am

Just tried all of mine.

The Chaparral FRN (internal stop pin!) does not have any vertical play that I could perceive, even when pushing the blade hard into material or on a hard (not cuttable) surface.

All others do, though some just a tiny bit.
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Re: Have you owned a Spyderco lockback with zero play?

Postby Doc Dan » Mon Nov 23, 2020 8:47 am

I have three. The 2 Chaparrals and a Native 5 LW. The others only move a little bit if I really bear down on a cutting board, and a couple of those move very little indeed. (I have a couple of Cold Steels that have zero movement, no matter what)
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Re: Have you owned a Spyderco lockback with zero play?

Postby elena86 » Mon Nov 23, 2020 9:05 am

One of the reasons I am not crazy about backlocks. Most of my backlocks came with or developed vertical blade play sooner or later. The most annoying was the Caly 3.5 in VG10. I owned three of them and all three came with substantial blade play from the factory. Same with most of my Seki backlocks.Me and Doc are on the same page when it comes to the FRN Chaparral. My Chaparrals (I own three) have no blade play in use. The little sucker is quite tough for it’s size.
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Re: Have you owned a Spyderco lockback with zero play?

Postby autoxer » Mon Nov 23, 2020 9:11 am

Add another name to the list for a Chaparral with no blade play - at least none that I can perceive!

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Re: Have you owned a Spyderco lockback with zero play?

Postby Holland » Mon Nov 23, 2020 9:18 am

I've had 15+ delicas, 20+ dragonflys, 4 N5s, 8+ calys and all of them developed play over time if they didnt already have play from the factory.

As others have mentioned, the only backlocks I have had with no play are the ones made in Taiwan with internal stop pins (chaparrals, sage 4)
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Re: Have you owned a Spyderco lockback with zero play?

Postby JakeXman » Mon Nov 23, 2020 10:07 am

In my rather small sample size (1) my tasman salt 2 doesn’t have any lock rock. There is some side-to-side play when I have the pivot really loose, but that is to be expected. From what I’m hearing I should expect vertical play to develop over time with use?
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Re: Have you owned a Spyderco lockback with zero play?

Postby VooDooChild » Mon Nov 23, 2020 10:11 am

I already ate crow on this about a year ago. I said I had a backlock with no play and then came back after I realised it had a tiny bit of play and I just hadnt noticed. I dont have time to check them all right now.

I will say there is definitely a lot of variation in the amount of play. I think this is what spawns these reports. An older endura with a good amount of vertical play is not difficult to notice. A new native 5, with a hairs width of play might not be detectable in light or normal use.

It doesnt matter to me. Mid backlock is still my favorite lock and there is never enough play to bother me.

I asked a while back about the evolution of the backlock. Whether people thought Spyderco should try some kind of triad lock, or start integrating internal stop pins into their backlock designs. It kind of seems like everything increases complexity or decreases ease of use.

I wouldnt care if Spyderco wanted to start using internal stop pins or something, but its not something I think I need. I personally think Golden makes the best backlock out there and it is certainly good enough for my uses.
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Re: Have you owned a Spyderco lockback with zero play?

Postby soulspy » Mon Nov 23, 2020 10:27 am

2 new backlocks to me: Siren and the Rock Jumper.

Siren: no blade play, but lock slop when you grip it tightly. The lock bar is so wide and the cutout is quite far forward such that the meat of your hand will ever so slightly depress the lock and you can feel the blade rattle against the lock. Feels bad, man.

Rock Jumper: vertical play right out of the box. Reminiscent of my first Spydercos, all Rescue blades. I assume is standard fitment for Seki City knives.

Kinda made me realize I don't really favor lockback knives.

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Re: Have you owned a Spyderco lockback with zero play?

Postby tangent » Mon Nov 23, 2020 10:40 am

Yes. This is easy...Native 5s are all rock solid in my experience (so are others, but Natives are very consistent in this regard)

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Re: Have you owned a Spyderco lockback with zero play?

Postby Blnd » Mon Nov 23, 2020 10:53 am

“Play” seems to be a bit subjective, which is probably leading to the discrepancy.

Personally, I recognize the compromise that folding knives represent - they trade rigidity for portability. I have never stuck my blades into anything so hard that they showed “play.” The back lock on my DF2 that I’ve carried for years is still as tight as ever.

I use this silly trick called “use the right tool for the job.” I have a whole host of fancy (and sharp) kitchen knives - Moras for grunt garage and cleaning/gutting, an axe and maul for firewood, etc.

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Re: Have you owned a Spyderco lockback with zero play?

Postby anycal » Mon Nov 23, 2020 10:55 am

I always check vertical blade play, ever since this was brought to my attention few years back.

No vertical play,
- Chaparral
- Three of my four Native 5s. The fourth developed very slight play over time. I am pretty hard on my Natives.
- Two Natives I gave away. Still get to handle them for sharpening now and then. No play.

Vertical play out of the box, in order of degree from very little to little more,
- Siren
- Caly 3
- Stretch SS
- 4x Delica 4
- Endura 4
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Re: Have you owned a Spyderco lockback with zero play?

Postby anycal » Mon Nov 23, 2020 11:01 am

Blnd wrote:
Mon Nov 23, 2020 10:53 am
“Play” seems to be a bit subjective, which is probably leading to the discrepancy.

Personally, I recognize the compromise that folding knives represent - they trade rigidity for portability. I have never stuck my blades into anything so hard that they showed “play.” The back lock on my DF2 that I’ve carried for years is still as tight as ever.

I use this silly trick called “use the right tool for the job.” I have a whole host of fancy (and sharp) kitchen knives - Moras for grunt garage and cleaning/gutting, an axe and maul for firewood, etc.

How so? Either there is play, or there isn't.

At the end of the day, Spyderco's backlocks are prone to some vertical blade play. Seems like the Native 5 have better tolerances than others.
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Re: Have you owned a Spyderco lockback with zero play?

Postby Wartstein » Mon Nov 23, 2020 11:20 am

tangent wrote:
Mon Nov 23, 2020 10:40 am
Yes. This is easy...Native 5s are all rock solid in my experience (so are others, but Natives are very consistent in this regard)

As far as I can recall my Native 5 LW was as rock solid as my Chap indeed, despite the former has no internal stop pin.
Don´t have the Native anymore, so I can´t check, but actually on the Spyderco website it literally says about the Native 5 LW "...The blade is supported by a highly refined back lock mechanism that takes this time-tested lock design and elevates it to a new standard of engineering and manufacturing excellence" (https://www.spyderco.com/catalog/details/C41BK5/902)

Seems to be 100% true.
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Re: Have you owned a Spyderco lockback with zero play?

Postby The Meat man » Mon Nov 23, 2020 11:24 am

Nope, I haven't.
Native 5, two Pacific Salts, two Delicas, an Endura, two Byrd knives, multiple Menbug...every Spyderco backlock I have owned has had vertical play as vivi describes.

Edit: also, the Police 4 G10.
Also, the Tasman Salt and Dragonfly Salt.
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Re: Have you owned a Spyderco lockback with zero play?

Postby carrot » Mon Nov 23, 2020 12:00 pm

Just the Chaparral. All the others have had slight vertical rock.

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Re: Have you owned a Spyderco lockback with zero play?

Postby vivi » Mon Nov 23, 2020 12:08 pm

Blnd wrote:
Mon Nov 23, 2020 10:53 am
“Play” seems to be a bit subjective, which is probably leading to the discrepancy.

Personally, I recognize the compromise that folding knives represent - they trade rigidity for portability. I have never stuck my blades into anything so hard that they showed “play.” The back lock on my DF2 that I’ve carried for years is still as tight as ever.

I use this silly trick called “use the right tool for the job.” I have a whole host of fancy (and sharp) kitchen knives - Moras for grunt garage and cleaning/gutting, an axe and maul for firewood, etc.
I don't think its subjective. The blade wiggles up and down or it doesn't.

It doesn't require subjecting them to abuse of any sort to detect. It doesn't even require cutting anything.

I can open up my Pacific Salt, pinch the blade with my left hand near the spine, then push the handle like I'm cutting something and I feel lock rock.
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Re: Have you owned a Spyderco lockback with zero play?

Postby Naperville » Mon Nov 23, 2020 12:24 pm

I don't have a lot of folders, but from no maker do I have a back lock with any blade play. My Spyderco Maxamet Native 5 is as solid as the Rock of Gibralter. I love that knife!
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Re: Have you owned a Spyderco lockback with zero play?

Postby Sharp Guy » Mon Nov 23, 2020 12:29 pm

None of my Native 5s (10+), Chaparrals (2), or my Sage 4 have any play. I know I have several Seki-City lock backs that don't have any. I do have a few Seki-City models that have developed a little vertical play
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Re: Have you owned a Spyderco lockback with zero play?

Postby BLUETYPEII » Mon Nov 23, 2020 12:44 pm

I’m happy to say that NONE of my Spyderco lockback knives have blade play of any kind.

I own:
Two Delica 4
Police 4 Lightweight
Pacific Salt LC200N
Tasman PE
Lady bug
Native Salt
Siren

The only Spyderco lockback I ever had a problem with was the Lady bug. When I started to use it the lock failed and would not stay open in the locked position with any kind of force put against it. I made the retailer I bought it from replace it. I probably would’ve had to go through Spyderco but their website says “satisfaction guaranteed“ so I took advantage of that fact. I didn’t even have to pay shipping.
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