Which models bring out the best of each steel?

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Which models bring out the best of each steel?

Postby GarageBoy » Sun Nov 22, 2020 2:04 pm

I know this forum loves asking for each pattern to be available in every steel, but which patterns actually bring out the best in each steel?

I.e. - Cruwear/4v manix - big, stout folder with a strong/tough steel

Zdp-189/super blue Caly 3.5 - if it's not going to be tough, make it thin and slicey

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Re: Which models bring out the best of each steel?

Postby JonLeBlanc » Sun Nov 22, 2020 2:56 pm

I can't remember the name of it off the top of my head, but what's that big chopper made out of O1?
That seems apropos d'usage.
My collection so far: 52100 Military (2); 52100 PM2 (2); 52100 Para3; Stretch2 V-Toku; KnifeWorks M4 PM2; BentoBox M390 PM2; BentoBox S90V Military; Police4 K390; S110V PM2; SS Delica AUS-6; Wayne Goddard Sprint VG-10
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Re: Which models bring out the best of each steel?

Postby vivi » Sun Nov 22, 2020 3:19 pm

K390 Police.
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Military DLC | Police 4 K390 / Pakkawood | Manix XL M4 DLC / Micarta

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Re: Which models bring out the best of each steel?

Postby TomAiello » Sun Nov 22, 2020 3:43 pm

So is the ideal 4v folder the Manix 2 XL, the military, or something else?

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Re: Which models bring out the best of each steel?

Postby vivi » Sun Nov 22, 2020 3:47 pm

TomAiello wrote:
Sun Nov 22, 2020 3:43 pm
So is the ideal 4v folder the Manix 2 XL, the military, or something else?
I'm really hoping a retailer runs a 4V Manix XL. Looking at how the M4 sprint did I think they'd sell out within a day. I'd help :cool:
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Military DLC | Police 4 K390 / Pakkawood | Manix XL M4 DLC / Micarta

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Re: Which models bring out the best of each steel?

Postby steelcity16 » Sun Nov 22, 2020 3:57 pm

vivi wrote:
Sun Nov 22, 2020 3:47 pm
TomAiello wrote:
Sun Nov 22, 2020 3:43 pm
So is the ideal 4v folder the Manix 2 XL, the military, or something else?
I'm really hoping a retailer runs a 4V Manix XL. Looking at how the M4 sprint did I think they'd sell out within a day. I'd help :cool:

I think 4V would really shine in a Military and Manix XL, as well as the Endura, Police, and Straight Spine Stretch XL. I'll bet we see the first two from St. Nick's in 2021. The others I am lobbying for!

I'd like to see some Delta 3V in some of these models as well. It would make a great folder steel for sure. AEB-L is another that would be great in any of these.
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Re: Which models bring out the best of each steel?

Postby Airlsee » Sun Nov 22, 2020 4:12 pm

I really enjoy my Shaman in 4V...it makes a great harder use folder.

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Re: Which models bring out the best of each steel?

Postby Bill1170 » Sun Nov 22, 2020 10:35 pm

Thin slicey models bring out the best in ZDP-189. I’m thinking Caly line, FFG Delica, like that.

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Re: Which models bring out the best of each steel?

Postby JD Spydo » Sun Nov 22, 2020 10:47 pm

Well I've said so many times that when I got my M390 Military in a cool trade with a guy over at Bladeforums it totally changed what I expect from an EDC folder. The M390 Military has been my main EDC for a little over 4 years now and for right now I have no desire to replace it>> it's been that good. OH I know that there are probably better blade steels out there>> But M390 blade steel in a C-36 Military model just makes a super folder set up all the way!!

I've also got a Para2 with S110V which is pretty wicked as well. Great thread!!

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Re: Which models bring out the best of each steel?

Postby Wartstein » Mon Nov 23, 2020 12:23 am

The workhorse Stretch 1 is great in HAP40. More than tough enough for that rather thin, slicey blade and holds an edge really well.
Top three going by pocket-time: Endura 4 in VG 10/Micarta-scales; Stretch 1 in VG 10; Endura 4 in HAP 40

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Re: Which models bring out the best of each steel?

Postby JohnDoe99 » Mon Nov 23, 2020 12:30 am

GarageBoy wrote:
Sun Nov 22, 2020 2:04 pm
I know this forum loves asking for each pattern to be available in every steel, but which patterns actually bring out the best in each steel?

I.e. - Cruwear/4v manix - big, stout folder with a strong/tough steel

Zdp-189/super blue Caly 3.5 - if it's not going to be tough, make it thin and slicey
The reverse actually. The high carbide steels need thicker edges to reinforce the carbide to reduce the severity of chipping. Regarding "toughness," the definition of that word has been stretched so far by marketing and exaggeration that it is now almost meaningless.

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Re: Which models bring out the best of each steel?

Postby Larrin » Mon Nov 23, 2020 6:47 am

Yes I think a steel like 4V need a super thin edge and high hardness to show off its toughness. Low toughness steels like ZDP-189 start to have chipping issues.
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Re: Which models bring out the best of each steel?

Postby GarageBoy » Mon Nov 23, 2020 1:03 pm

Most people are not going to be swing chopping with a folder, so a steel like a well hardened cruwear/4v let's you run thinner edges due to the lower carbides, and still have the strength for when you run into a brass staple or something?

Conversely, zdp/s110v/m4(?) etc should use a steeper edge bevel?

This is regardless of the thickness of the primary grind, right?

Thick primary - thick edge - poor cutter/excellent strength
Thick primary - thin edge - better cutter/retains strength for dumb things (cruwear/4v does well in knives like this?)
Thin primary/thin edge - sacrifice strength for cutting ability, needs low(er) carbide steels for edge stability
Thin primary/thicker edge - to support high carbide steels from chipping out?

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Re: Which models bring out the best of each steel?

Postby blades&wrenches » Mon Nov 23, 2020 1:06 pm

The model you like the most :D

I look at it on a toughness scale. The longer/larger the blade, the tougher the steel should be. High edge retention/lower toughness on small folder, higher toughness on fixed blades

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Re: Which models bring out the best of each steel?

Postby zuludelta » Mon Nov 23, 2020 2:43 pm

I don't know if it necessarily brings out the best in the steel, but in my case pairing a high wear-resistance steel with a small knife design really highlights that particular attribute of the steel, especially if you can compare it to a more conventional steel in the same design.

Case in point: I could go at most a week of using the standard Dragonfly 2 in VG-10 as my primary work knife before needing to touch it up. It's not bad for a work knife (though it's not an ideal choice & it is the smallest knife I consider "work-capable" for my particular job), but because it has a short cutting edge, I find that I need to maintain the edge on it more often than on a larger knife. When I started using a Dragonfly 2 in ZDP-189, I noticed I could go for over a month (sometimes even going for almost 2 months!) before needing to touch it up to get back to working sharpness. Because it's so much easier to "use up" the small cutting edge of the Dragonfly 2, it can really accentuate the differences in achievable Rockwell hardness & wear resistance in different steels.

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Re: Which models bring out the best of each steel?

Postby GarageBoy » Wed Nov 25, 2020 10:05 pm

Interesting thought
I used to think that having high edge retention steels on small knives was pointless - "how frequently can you use them?"
Turns out, little guys can do lots of work

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Re: Which models bring out the best of each steel?

Postby Bloke » Wed Nov 25, 2020 11:00 pm

A bit of a carry over from the Fixed Blade thread ...

I think knives like the Sprig, Southfork ... and as Killer pointed out in What did use use your Spyderco for thread, the Proficient, bring out the best in steels like S90V. It’s better than great when you can fillet a brace of fish or dress out game and not need to touch up a knife half way through or even when you get home.

High wear and edge retention blades are good in pocket knives, no doubt, but I think you don’t truly see the value till you put those steels to task in a fixed blade work knife.

4V also comes to mind. Probably great in a pocket knife ... outstanding in a knife like the Province you can flog against the hardest of wood on the planet for no to very little effect on either the edge or the knife as a whole.

Personally, I feel “Super Steels” are mostly wasted on pocket knives used to cut sandwiches, peel fruit and open mail. A bit like putting a 18L V8 Turbo Diesel engine in a VW Beetle. Ah, hahaha! :eek:

Just my $AU0.02c worth. :)
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Re: Which models bring out the best of each steel?

Postby JohnDoe99 » Thu Nov 26, 2020 1:22 am

Bloke wrote:
Wed Nov 25, 2020 11:00 pm

Personally, I feel “Super Steels” are mostly wasted on pocket knives used to cut sandwiches, peel fruit and open mail. A bit like putting a 18L V8 Turbo Diesel engine in a VW Beetle. Ah, hahaha! :eek:

Just my $AU0.02c worth. :)
Funny. When I was sharpening my s110v native the other day, I imagined going on a family vacation in a Mack truck.

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Re: Which models bring out the best of each steel?

Postby Bloke » Thu Nov 26, 2020 1:39 am

JohnDoe99 wrote:
Thu Nov 26, 2020 1:22 am
Bloke wrote:
Wed Nov 25, 2020 11:00 pm

Personally, I feel “Super Steels” are mostly wasted on pocket knives used to cut sandwiches, peel fruit and open mail. A bit like putting a 18L V8 Turbo Diesel engine in a VW Beetle. Ah, hahaha! :eek:

Just my $AU0.02c worth. :)
Funny. When I was sharpening my s110v native the other day, I imagined going on a family vacation in a Mack truck.
Ah, hahaha, ah, hahaha, ah, hahaha! :rolleyes:

How’d it go John? Did you manage an atom splitting edge? I’m told it’s easily done with 18 different grades of diamond and CBN plates and 23 different grades of diamond paste and sprays on various strops. ;) :D
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Re: Which models bring out the best of each steel?

Postby The Mastiff » Thu Nov 26, 2020 12:15 pm

The Ankerson Bowie in 4V is a great choice and I still want one. In stainless, the CPM 154 offering designed by Sal is as good as it gets.

Wish I could afford both.


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