I should uh, probably get a Chaparral. Right?

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I should uh, probably get a Chaparral. Right?

Postby Abyss_Fish » Wed Oct 21, 2020 11:54 pm

I constantly consider buying a new spydie, and generally I look at my knife roll and reconsider... But this one? it's a stuck around.

It seems like a perfect marriage of my two current favorites. The Native G10, and the Watu. simple, ergonomic, and solid like the Native, slicey and pocket friendly like the Watu. I've got one problem, the scales. On the model that's all about the scale material, I KNOW. Raffir noble scratches easily, cf isn't my thing, Ti is uh, 300 dollars. And while that upcoming maple burl model is quite attractive, the long waits on my last few knife projects have made me impatient. SO, my questions for you all are as follows:

  • Have you handled the newer sun and moon chap, how does that newer construction compare to the older ones? (raffir noble, cf, etc)
  • How long do you think it should be before the maple burl chap comes around? Should I just buy an frn chap in the meantime? and if that's the way to go how does Taichung's frn compare to seki's?
  • What's the deal with airline food?
  • Do you think I'll have any trouble with birdseye maple warping? I'm either up to my neck in snow or swimming through 98% humidity about 10 months out of the year. I love wood handles and know how to maintain them, I'm an aspiring chef! I have to! But I don't really have any experience with wood in pocket knives.
  • And finally, Just give me your experiences with the Chaparral! I'd love to just hear about the model in use.

I'm sure it feels like most of my posts are like 80% questions, 15% bad jokes, and 35% poor addition skills. And all at 1AM, what a winning combo! But while I occasionally feel like I know what I'm talking about, especially in the realm of kitchen use. I know you all are much more knowledgeable than me in both life experience and long term knife usage, since I've only been in the hobby for a few years. I always feel like it's worth consulting the nice lads around here, especially since I don't have any friends in the hobby :rolleyes:

Thanks for your feedback and discussion as always y'all, have a great rest of your week.
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Re: I should uh, probably get a Chaparral. Right?

Postby Doc Dan » Thu Oct 22, 2020 12:16 am

Abyss_Fish wrote:
Wed Oct 21, 2020 11:54 pm
I constantly consider buying a new spydie, and generally I look at my knife roll and reconsider... But this one? it's a stuck around.

It seems like a perfect marriage of my two current favorites. The Native G10, and the Watu. simple, ergonomic, and solid like the Native, slicey and pocket friendly like the Watu. I've got one problem, the scales. On the model that's all about the scale material, I KNOW. Raffir noble scratches easily, cf isn't my thing, Ti is uh, 300 dollars. And while that upcoming maple burl model is quite attractive, the long waits on my last few knife projects have made me impatient. SO, my questions for you all are as follows:

  • Have you handled the newer sun and moon chap, how does that newer construction compare to the older ones? (raffir noble, cf, etc)
  • How long do you think it should be before the maple burl chap comes around? Should I just buy an frn chap in the meantime? and if that's the way to go how does Taichung's frn compare to seki's?
  • What's the deal with airline food?
  • Do you think I'll have any trouble with birdseye maple warping? I'm either up to my neck in snow or swimming through 98% humidity about 10 months out of the year. I love wood handles and know how to maintain them, I'm an aspiring chef! I have to! But I don't really have any experience with wood in pocket knives.
  • And finally, Just give me your experiences with the Chaparral! I'd love to just hear about the model in use.

I'm sure it feels like most of my posts are like 80% questions, 15% bad jokes, and 35% poor addition skills. And all at 1AM, what a winning combo! But while I occasionally feel like I know what I'm talking about, especially in the realm of kitchen use. I know you all are much more knowledgeable than me in both life experience and long term knife usage, since I've only been in the hobby for a few years. I always feel like it's worth consulting the nice lads around here, especially since I don't have any friends in the hobby :rolleyes:

Thanks for your feedback and discussion as always y'all, have a great rest of your week.
Well, anyone who cooks while up to his neck in snow needs an frn model. :D

I have the CF and the FRN. I prefer the FRN because it gives great traction but is pocket friendly.

Airline food depends on the vendor. The best steak I have ever had was on Malaysian airlines years ago. The best chicken curry I have had Was on Korean air. US airlines are a laughingstock.
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Re: I should uh, probably get a Chaparral. Right?

Postby Wartstein » Thu Oct 22, 2020 12:30 am

First: I do like your posts and think you actually ARE pretty knowledegable and experienced concerning real use of knives... more so than many on this forum (and probably more so than I am)

/ Some of my thoughts on the Chap:

- YES, you absolutely should get a Chap. For me the best (very) small folder ever

- Why not the (linered!) lightweight / FRN version? The Taichung pattern is really grippy and even the looks are pretty "classy" for an FRN knife (my favorite handle material anyway)

- The Chap is NOT only a "gents knife": It has a very sturdy construction (the FRN version either!) with steel liners, and a back of the handle that is all steel (lockbar / backspacer). Feels rock solid in hand

- This is true for the blade either: Despite being so thin (actually thinner than on your Watu or the DFly (2.00 mm Chap / 2.5mm Watu/D Fly) it is strong enough for any task I put it through so far. And I did not baby the knife at all, twisted it in hard wood and so on. Due to the leaf shape the tip, though usefully fine, is still not too fragile.

- This thin blade is one of the best parts of the Chap anyway: Of course thinness is is not the only factor that affects "sliciness" (but also thickness behind the egde, grind angle, blade height, tapering and so on) but still an important one. And I am aware of no other ffg Spydie that has a 2.00 mm blade.

- Ergos: The Chap is not only very thin in the blade, but overall (handle). This makes it a great carry, especially iwb. And despite the thinness, the ergos work very well for my L to XL hands: As a matter of fact I sold my Native LW partly cause the Chap felt, if not more comfortable, still more STABLE in my hand (the Native tends to shift and roll in harder use, while the Chap feels totally locked in).
But be aware: More so than most points here, this of course is totally subjective! Julia ("JuPaul") for example posted quite recently that the Chap ergos would be not for her (small) hands.

- Lock: The Chap has the best and most solid backlock I personally ever experienced (due to the internal stop pin I assume).

- Space efficency: Not unimportant for me in a small knife: The Chap packs a lot of edge in a small package, while still offering a very good four finger grip (due to the choil):
For illustration a comparison to the DFly (a knife I once considered getting instead of the Chap)
Closed length DFly: 3.313", Closed length Chap: 3.60" - so just 0,29" longer
Cutting edge DFly: 1.875 ", cutting edge Chap: 2.35" so 0,48" more cutting edge on the Chap
Top three going by pocket-time: Endura 4 in VG 10/Micarta-scales; Stretch 1 in VG 10; Endura 4 in HAP 40

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Re: I should uh, probably get a Chaparral. Right?

Postby Pancake » Thu Oct 22, 2020 1:27 am

Yes, it's good for EDC, I think it's as good as it can get for small blade.
However, I decided to sell mine (so far no luck with it) because it's just a bit small. It was a good experience, but ultimately, I just don't a knife smaller then Manix, or PM2.
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Re: I should uh, probably get a Chaparral. Right?

Postby Wartstein » Thu Oct 22, 2020 1:54 am

Pancake wrote:
Thu Oct 22, 2020 1:27 am
Yes, it's good for EDC, I think it's as good as it can get for small blade.
However, I decided to sell mine (so far no luck with it) because it's just a bit small. It was a good experience, but ultimately, I just don't a knife smaller then Manix, or PM2.

Despite my praise of the Chap (above and generally): Yes, that´s the point! (Quote): "I think it's as good as it can get for a small blade"

But like you I want to carry larger knives (Endura size and edge length is perfect), and so for me the Chap just for that reason is NOT really good for EDC - just too small.
But: It fills the "small knife niche" among my users more than perfectly. Just to carry it IWB on a short run, just for cutting up smaller stuff with its superior thin blade, just as a companion to a larger knife / fixed blade in the outdoors...
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Re: I should uh, probably get a Chaparral. Right?

Postby Pancake » Thu Oct 22, 2020 2:27 am

Agree. Being a small knife is not a negative, it does everything very well for a small knife, but....like I said, it was a good experience, but ultimately, I like them a bit bigger.
In the pocket: Chaparral FRN, Native Chief, Police 4 K390, Pacific Salt SE, Manix 2 G10 REX45
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Re: I should uh, probably get a Chaparral. Right?

Postby standy99 » Thu Oct 22, 2020 4:42 am

Too small for me, had a Raffir hankering for a long time and nearly bought one several times must have had it in a cart 5-10 times. Handled one and just a bit too small and light for me and was glad I didn’t buy one.

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Re: I should uh, probably get a Chaparral. Right?

Postby ABX2011 » Thu Oct 22, 2020 4:52 am

I've gifted a couple and owned a couple. None now. I'm waiting on the bird's eye.

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Re: I should uh, probably get a Chaparral. Right?

Postby TkoK83Spy » Thu Oct 22, 2020 5:42 am

I dunno, if you already have a Native and it's one of your favorite designs...there's really not anything you're going to gain with the addition of a Chap. It doesn't do anything that the Native can't.
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Re: I should uh, probably get a Chaparral. Right?

Postby Bdubs808 » Thu Oct 22, 2020 6:01 am

The Chaparral is a knife I want to love, but that cliché issue of "lock bar too thin, hurts thumb" unfortunately made it a deal breaker for me. The FRN was nice, very similar to Seki but more like Kinects vs Lego. The CF/G10 was alright as well. Perhaps three's a charm with the wood handles, and I'll ignore the lock "issue". The thin blade is definitely a winner. And isn't XHP just a cool name for a blade steel?
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Re: I should uh, probably get a Chaparral. Right?

Postby RadioactiveSpyder » Thu Oct 22, 2020 6:39 am

I don’t personally believe the Native 5 and Chap are that similar to be interchangeable. The Chap is far slimmer and more intended as a “gentleman’s” (or “ladies”) knife, while the Native is far more of a tank with much thicker handles and blade stock (yes, I know they are basically equally capable for harder use as well). The Chap in my mind is Sal’s Taichung successor to the Caly series out of Moki. I’ve not experienced the tough lockbar situation folks mention all the time, I don’t seem to have any problem with operating its backlock. With its thin blade stock, it’s an incredible slicer and XHP is one of my absolute favorite steels.

It’s unfortunate that it’s been a while since the Ti models have been released, the secondary market prices are pretty high. I’ve been around long enough to have picked them up when they were released and prices were quite a bit more approachable. The Raffir Noble variant was inspired quite a bit by Sal handling my custom Chap (middle one below) at an OKCA show years ago, but they couldn’t source Ctek (the hexagonal black material in the bolster) at a low enough cost to do a run in them and went with RN instead. That one is actually my Raffir Noble one with my scales swapped onto it since that seemed appropriate (and had my CC number on it); the first version was built from a CF model that I ended up selling off a while back (which is funny because I’m eyeing buying another currently). The Sun and Moon one is equally very high quality, and I’m curious to see what the upcoming Birdseye maple one is like in hand. The FRN one is also really great as a more budget-friendly version, and light as a feather. I carry these very frequently, and are often my top choice to carry on business trips (well, I guess when I used to go on business trips...). I don’t think you’ll be disappointed. Cheers, Radioactive

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Re: I should uh, probably get a Chaparral. Right?

Postby carrot » Thu Oct 22, 2020 6:57 am

It took me a few years to warm up to the Chap (I used to be a Caly3 fanboy) but I'm finally there. It's a little lighter, slimmer, snappier than the Caly3, and ultimately the better knife. The action is incredible with no lock rock, the XHP steel is one of my very favorites, and it carries really nicely.

I happen to think the CF version is the best version of this knife. CF embodies all the best traits of the Chap: high tech but classy, elegant but tough, easy to carry but ready to work. I think the next best would be a paper micarta or burlap micarta, but one of those hasn't emerged yet. The Sun and Moon is starting to appeal to me as well.

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Re: I should uh, probably get a Chaparral. Right?

Postby JuPaul » Thu Oct 22, 2020 7:22 am

Bdubs808 wrote:
Thu Oct 22, 2020 6:01 am
The Chaparral is a knife I want to love, but that cliché issue of "lock bar too thin, hurts thumb" unfortunately made it a deal breaker for me. The FRN was nice, very similar to Seki but more like Kinects vs Lego.
Same. I've owned the frn chap and the Sun and Moon. Both excellent knives, ruined for me by that skinny lock bar, even after moving the spring to ease the lock bar tension. But it doesn't seem to be an issue for lots of people, so I say give it a shot.
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Re: I should uh, probably get a Chaparral. Right?

Postby bbturbodad » Thu Oct 22, 2020 7:52 am

Abyss_Fish wrote:
Wed Oct 21, 2020 11:54 pm
It seems like a perfect marriage of my two current favorites. The Native G10, and the Watu. simple, ergonomic, and solid like the Native, slicey and pocket friendly like the Watu.
I never thought of the Chap that way before but I agree it's like the two had a child and got the best attributes from each, with the exception of the Watu's blade shape...I really like the Watu's blade. ;)

Looking at my Raffir Noble Chap I don't see any scratches on the scales but the the steel backspacer is quite banged up.

While the Chap is extremely capable, I personally find that in extended use the thin handle can be a bit uncomfortable in my hand. No issue when doing shorter tasks, but 20-30+ mins of continuous use it’s not my first choice. That said, the Chap is one of my favorite Spyderco designs and if you're looking for something in it's size range it's a great knife.
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Re: I should uh, probably get a Chaparral. Right?

Postby FullFlatMind » Thu Oct 22, 2020 7:55 am

The Chap LW is my favorite second knife. I removed (by accident) the pocket clip and never put it back on. It is a true pocket knife for me and I love having it with me. That super thin blade is so good and its so thin overall that it carries well. The thin/tough lockbar hasn't been a big issue for me but I know it bothers some people.

I used to have a Chap CF but sold it. It was classy and just as good but I still like the FRN version better.

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Re: I should uh, probably get a Chaparral. Right?

Postby Mushroom » Thu Oct 22, 2020 8:00 am

Bdubs808 wrote:
Thu Oct 22, 2020 6:01 am
The Chaparral is a knife I want to love, but that cliché issue of "lock bar too thin, hurts thumb" unfortunately made it a deal breaker for me. The FRN was nice, very similar to Seki but more like Kinects vs Lego. The CF/G10 was alright as well. Perhaps three's a charm with the wood handles, and I'll ignore the lock "issue". The thin blade is definitely a winner. And isn't XHP just a cool name for a blade steel?
The lockbar on the Chaparral has never been an issue for me but I owned one before the "thin lockbar" complaint was ever prevalent here on the forum. I've never had the preconceived notion that the lockbar will be too thin, so it really just never bothered me.

The Chaparral was never a knife I intended to "fidget" with either, so I never encountered a time where I was using the lock repeatedly in a short time.
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Re: I should uh, probably get a Chaparral. Right?

Postby curlyhairedboy » Thu Oct 22, 2020 8:18 am

The watu might be a tiny bit more slicey, but the Chap LW (FRN) is probably one of the nicer lockbacks you'll ever use. It's a supremely good value for the money.
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Re: I should uh, probably get a Chaparral. Right?

Postby Holland » Thu Oct 22, 2020 8:42 am

Chaparral is one of my favourites. I have had one or another in my rotation for ~8 years. Even used it for construction years ago.

The argos, thin blade and XHP steel are the highlights for me
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Re: I should uh, probably get a Chaparral. Right?

Postby Lumpy » Thu Oct 22, 2020 10:13 am

Get a chap. I sold my FRN when I bought the sun & moon and am currently regretting it and will be buying it again lol. It’s a really great knife with a slicey blade and really nice ergonomics. The lockbar issue is completely overblown IMO.

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Re: I should uh, probably get a Chaparral. Right?

Postby Abyss_Fish » Thu Oct 22, 2020 10:29 am

Hey hey hey op fishy here

I appreciate all of you sharing your experiences with the knife! I think I've decided what I want to do,

A few of you mentioned that it's your favorite "small knife", for me that's the rhino. So I think I'm gonna buy a new one of those (since I long ago sold mine, and immediately regretted it) to tide me over until the birdseye maple chap comes around. Just so I have something a little fancier but with the performance spyderco brings.

Man with those two, and the upcoming spyderfly, and then the new ayoob sprint, and the possibility of the return of the sage 2... My wallet hurts just thinking about it.
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